Harry and Meghan wedding chat- the build up!

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She's wearing a party dress and he's wearing a suit. They look like two people going to a company Christmas party. I don't agree with your criticism at all.

And I definitely don't think it's indicative of some deep meaning about their relationship and how Meghan is going to go about her duties or how she sees herself as behaving as part of this couple.

Who goes to a company Christmas party in a couture gown?

You must frequent different sorts of company parties than anyone around here has. Hell, some friends of ours went to the Berkshire Hathaway company Christmas party last weekend and she did not have to acquire a couture gown. Or wear a formal gown at all. And that would be a company where it might be feasible.
 
@PDilemma, then people are seriously tripping, for what reason, who knows? William and Harry are their mother's sons and they are obviously very close. I personally have not heard anyone claiming anything about one brother loving their partner more than the other. That's crap. Heaven help us! I think it's quite clear that both these young men are strong-minded with great characters, and that they will never forget their mother's love which helped to ground and nurture them. They both appear to have found the best life partners who are right for them. William and Harry have different personalities but they are both clearly deeply in love with their significant others. And both Meghan and Kate seem to have the caring, kindheartedness and generosity of spirit that resonates with these young men because it likely calls to mind their mother's best qualities.

It's probably best to keep in mind that outsiders and tabloids stir up a lot of stuff about the royals that simply isn't true. The article I linked did not say William and Kate weren't as in love when they got engaged! They simply have different personalities and are obviously in a different position regarding royal inheritance, than Harry and his partner will be. William and Harry witnessed the media hounding that happened to their mother, and it will not be happening to their wives. We are not on the inside so we can only surmise and use common sense re the fact this is a family, a very high profile historic family, but a family nonetheless. Harry & Meghan already told us in the interview that they were never apart for more than two weeks, and that they have always placed a high priority on their relationship. I don't get all the hand-wringing and pointless comparisons. Of course the trajectory of William & Kate's relationship was different. They met in their early twenties, but obviously developed a deep bond that stood the test of time. I will bet that these four young people will be a great team together on behalf of their charities and in representing Great Britain and the monarchy.

I'm not one to criticize every little thing...

For real? :p;)

Of course you don't have to agree with the way I or anyone else sees it regarding the gown and the photos. We are all free to think and feel as we do, as we choose. But re-examine what you are saying. You don't see any ironies in the way you are criticizing Meghan? Again, you seem firm about how you are looking at this, but it seems rather 'pearl-clutchy'. Perhaps you feel Meghan is not even the right choice for Prince Harry? Fortunately though, the days are over when royals are prevented from loving and marrying the person they choose to marry. And I'm not talking about Edward VIII either, as he got his way in abdicating and marrying Wallis Simpson. That's rather a good thing for Britain and the royal family, as he had too many character flaws to have ever been as good a wartime leader as his brother, King George VI.

In the end @PDilemma, it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks about Meghan's style choices nor about Harry choosing Meghan for his life partner. These two from all evidence available seem genuinely and deeply in love. Love matters, and Meghan and Prince Harry have mutually chosen each other. I think they've conducted their courtship and navigated all the obstacles and their long distance relationship with aplomb, savvy, and under-the-radar skill. I don't think there's any mistaking the depth of their connection and commitment. And they obviously intend to maintain their personal privacy. The only reason they are sharing these photos is because they are getting married and official engagement photos are the way things are done. But what they wear, the location, and the choice of photographer is up to the couple. And I think they pulled this step off beautifully as well. And I'm grateful they were willing to share the additional candid photo as a thank you to all the people who tweeted warm wishes and admiration for the initial photos.

Meghan is not promoting herself by choosing this gown. She's being herself, promoting British designers, enjoying the occasion and having fun. I think that's one of the reasons why Harry loves her: for the spirited, fun-loving, down-to-earth person she is. The dress is elegant and fanciful for a one-of-a-kind memorable occasion. Why all the looking askance at this happy young and in love couple? They are looking forward to a time of celebration and of coming together as life partners. I see no reason to be anxious or fretful about what Meghan has to learn. She's already on the inside and thus she knows more than we ever will about the inner workings of the royal family, and she's apparently taking it all in stride.

Regarding the cost of the gown, it's not from a recent collection, which means if Meghan purchased it, she may have done so awhile ago independently, which has nothing to do with her becoming a member of the royal family. Or, if it's on loan to her, that's her business. We don't have the details, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the scenario you have constructed.
 
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Who goes to a company Christmas party in a couture gown?

You must frequent different sorts of company parties than anyone around here has. Hell, some friends of ours went to the Berkshire Hathaway company Christmas party last weekend and she did not have to acquire a couture gown. Or wear a formal gown at all. And that would be a company where it might be feasible.

Meghan is said to have worn a burgundy lace dress that fell just below her knees to the Windsor staff Christmas party. I only suspected that she later changed into the R&R couture gown for the photo shoot. Reportedly, since Meghan and Harry left the party early, and we know that the photo shoot took place sometime last week, it seems highly likely that on the day of the party last week they took the opportunity to travel the half mile south to Frogmore House for the photo shoot. Of course, I have no way of knowing if this is true, but it seems reasonable.

ITA with @MacMadame. More is being made out of what they are wearing than is absoutely necessary! IMO, it doesn't even matter what they are wearing on the outside, cuz it's their love for each other that shines through from the inside out. For them, it's a time of celebration. What's with all the nitpicking? And Meghan's style speaks for itself, plus I linked a video and quoted from it how she feels regarding choosing what she wears. It's not that complicated!

Then the press and others turned on [Sarah] because she was "boisterous" and undignified and overweight. Hope that doesn't happen to Meagan.

Well, since Meghan Markle is not Sarah Ferguson (not even close), I don't think you should lose any sleep worrying about such a way out-of-left-field, WTF scenario. :drama:

Harry and Meghan are not even married yet, have only just announced their engagement and people have been tripping out all over the Internet even before they announced their engagement, about doom and gloom scenarios. Good grief. Well at least we know from Harry that his mom, Diana, would be 'fast friends' with Meghan, and that Diana is surely in another dimension 'jumping up and down with joy,' for both her boys who found the happiness of true mutual love and deep commitment that eluded her in her lifetime.
 
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If Prince Harry is more concerned about pleasing people like pd..than being in love, my opinion is that Megan best run away now.
Face it..unless the royal family sans Harry is wiped out, he will be the brother of the king or the uncle of the king or queen. Not the king, she not the queen. If he's happy and she's happy with the engagement pictures, I suggest some forgo the criticism and be happy they feel comfortable enough to be themselves.

And I don't see it as an evening gown, just a lovely dress she wanted to wear for a special occasion.

If she were to emulate Kate's engagement picture ya'll would be criticizing her desire to uncut Kate. Megan is Megan not Diana not Kate, just herself. All this angst over a dress smacks of too much time on one's hands and perhaps a bit of jealousy
 
Who goes to a company Christmas party in a couture gown?

You must frequent different sorts of company parties than anyone around here has. Hell, some friends of ours went to the Berkshire Hathaway company Christmas party last weekend and she did not have to acquire a couture gown. Or wear a formal gown at all. And that would be a company where it might be feasible.

Meghan looks lovely.
And that’s quite a chip you have on your shoulder.
 
Who goes to a company Christmas party in a couture gown?

People who can wear couture, perhaps?

To me this is more like a long dress than a gown, if you think in terms of the over-the-top fancy gowns that women wear to the Oscars, with very long trains. I haven't seen a picture of the dress from the back, but it doesn't look to have a long train.

I am sure plenty of women wear long fancy dresses to Christmas parties where getting dressed to the nines is the standard.
 
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Really, the only thing odd about their outfits is that Harry's suit is that shiny blue. Is that some new fashion trend I'm not up on? Not a fan.
 
:lol: @MacMadame, regarding the blue suit, Harry has been critiqued on some royalty sites for having too much of a thing for shades of blue/ navy. He's been sporting a slimmer cut to his pants recently, which looks dapper and good on him, IMO. ETA: Oh, I see you don't like the close fit of the suit @Coco. :) I think Harry has previously worn too much of a looser fit in his trousers. I like this closer fit better on him. It's kind of funny that Meghan and Harry both have distinctively skinny legs. It does definitely seem they were made for each other. ;) A match made in heaven.

... William and Kate had been together for nearing ten years. They were past the "in love" stage and on to the stable relationship stage. That is not something to be criticized for. For two people entering a marriage where divorce is the very last option and has ramifications for an entire country and commonwealth; it was a good thing that they were not at that stage. Meghan and Harry do appear to be in the "you're the cutest!/No, you're the cutest" stage...

Actually, I would disagree that Meghan and Harry are in a 'you cutest' stage. I think that type of coupling stage and phase tends to be when you are an adolescent or in your twenties. Granted that William and Kate went through the different stages of a twenties to thirties long term relationship together. Harry and Meghan have each had a number of other relationships (Harry many more than Meghan). In that sense, I think Harry and Meghan already passed through the 'you cutest' stage with former partners. Fortunately for H&M, by the time they met, it was the right time in their lives for each of them. As Harry said, "the stars were aligned." Therefore, they bonded immediately over similar interests, and quickly entered a mature and grounded, "You're the One" stage, which apparently will last a lifetime. Good luck to them.

... too much time on one's hands ...

ITA with your entire post and the points you make. This part struck a note with me. :lol: Indeed, anyone who devotedly follows figure skating and royalty must have a lot of time on their hands, or lose sleep, or juggle priorities, or take time-out breaks and miss breaking stories and entire skating events, or get canned for non-work computer usage, or be self-employed and broke, or retired and do little else, or live with their parents and make excuses, or wealthy and living a life of leisure, or whatever ... :p

You are right about Meghan's choice being more of a lovely floor-length couture dress, rather than a gown, although it is referenced as a couture gown by some fashion blogs/ bloggers. I can see it being worn to red carpet events and to cocktail parties. Got to get some use out of it for that steep price! :D ;)
 
That explains the "don't wear clothes too small for you" comment in an article on what not to wear to work that I read. :confused:
 
Unfortunate news that Meghan's beagle Guy has two broken legs and he's under expert veterinary care. There's no explanation of when or how it happened. :( I can imagine Meghan's distress. It has had to be a big adjustment for the poor furbaby being moved overseas to vastly different surroundings and no longer around his pal Bogart. I'm sending prayers for sweet Guy, and as well for Meghan and Harry. :saint:

The below article is very interesting for the quotes by a former royal broadcaster and a friend of Prince Harry:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/24/meghan-markle-distraught-beloved-dog-breaks-two-legs/

"'It's a great story at a time when the whole country is wrestling with issues of diversity. The idea that Harry is marrying a strong, mixed-race campaigner for human rights .' Asked if he has met her, Bradby added: 'I have. She's incredibly likeable and warm. I'm sure she's got her flaws, like all of us, but it's difficult to see what they are. She's got a feeling of zen around her, and if you look at Harry over the past year and a half, he's really calmed down. The only thing he gets exercised about now is protecting her from the media.'"

Enjoy the holidays everyone! :40beers:
 
Unfortunate news that Meghan's beagle Guy has two broken legs and he's under expert veterinary care. There's no explanation of when or how it happened. :( I can imagine Meghan's distress. It has had to be a big adjustment for the poor furbaby being moved overseas to vastly different surroundings and no longer around his pal Bogart. I'm sending prayers for sweet Guy, and as well for Meghan and Harry. :saint:

Aw, poor doggie! :( It's not going to be fun for him to have casts on two legs. He will have the best of care, however.
 
Christmas at Sandringham (pictures and videos):

http://madaboutmeghan.blogspot.com/ fashion details, pictures, video
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrit...ry-royal-family-for-christmas-service/tk-221/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQk-cHkGEwE (entering and leaving the church on Sandringham estate)

The Queen's Christmas speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l73NdleGeXw

Meghan Markle is fully part of the royal family and warmly accepted by everyone, especially the younger generation I think. As I suspected, William/Kate and Harry/Meghan make a great foursome! That's very apparent in the videos and pictures of the immediate royal family walking to church on Christmas Day. Meghan does not have family in England, and so it's natural for her to join the royals for traditional Christmas festivities prior to Harry and her actually being married. Indeed, there's a first time for everything. And antiquated, outdated rules are made to be broken.
 
So many people have made a fuss about Meagan joining in for Christmas festivities before they are married (Diana, Sarah, Kate didn't....) but has anyone also thought that while both Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth are quite robust, they are not young anymore? They adore Harry, were probably quite worried about his reckless behaviours, and I think they want as much time as possible to get to know his future wife and see that he is happy and settled. Not only do times change, but when you are over 90, perspectives change and time has a different meaning.
 
I have a hard enough time picking out gifts for my family, can you imagine Meghan having to pick out gifts for this Christmas gathering?
From the photos, it looks like Princess Michael of Kent wasn't there, so at least Meghan didn't have to buy a copy of Miss Manners' Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Behavior. Maybe she can give it as a birthday present. :sneaky:
 
So many people have made a fuss about Meagan joining in for Christmas festivities before they are married (Diana, Sarah, Kate didn't....) but has anyone also thought that while both Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth are quite robust, they are not young anymore? They adore Harry, were probably quite worried about his reckless behaviours, and I think they want as much time as possible to get to know his future wife and see that he is happy and settled. Not only do times change, but when you are over 90, perspectives change and time has a different meaning.
I believe the same.
 
Royal Christmas photograph reaction 'overwhelming': http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42483201
Karen Murdoch, of Watlington, Norfolk, captured a beaming Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle on Christmas Day at Sandringham.
Her image made the front pages of the Sun, Daily Mail, Mirror, Star, Daily Telegraph and Express newspapers.
Ms Murdoch, 39, said reaction to the picture has been "bizarre and bonkers".
She is hoping to use any proceeds from the snap to fund her daughter's studies. She says she now has an agent working on her behalf.
Here's the original photo taken on her iPhone that she tweeted and has now been seen all over the world: https://twitter.com/Anvilius/status/945250611766923264
 
I just thought that we teach our children not to stick their tongues out at people, and then we have a future royal doing it. Geesh. I am sure she was being cheeky, but not in good taste.
 
A bit late to the game here, but I really liked the engagement photos. I think that by wearing the dress she did, Meghan is showing a bit of her personality while at the same time differentiating herself from Kate and Diana. She has a very difficult role to fill. She and Harry have the advantage of money that Sarah and Andrew did not have, but still, being the wife of the spare will not be without challenges. At least William, Harry, and Kate appear to have a very close relationship, and William and Kate appear to have a very solid marriage, so that should all be a great help to Meghan. I have no doubt that there will be misteps, but I am a firm believer in valuing effort over output and she certainly seems like a hard worker. She also wears great boots (those Stuart Weitzman she wore on Christmas morning are to die for) so I am already a fan!
 
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