Gymnastics News #15

The reason Komova doesn't get the benefit of the doubt (from me at least) is because she's a quitter with a bad attitude. 2011 Worlds she wasn't exactly a paragon of consistency although IMO she should have won but her AA beam was a wobblefest and her FX nothing to write home about so it was hard to be too outraged. I was no fan of Weiber's but she fought (key word here) and held on when her bars started to go awry then came back fighting.

2012 we saw what she's all about on that vault. She didn't fight with every fibre of her being to keep it on the mat, the one time it was really important that she did. Had she done that she'd be the AA champion. I do credit her with coming back strongly in that one instance and for pulling out the best FX of her life when she needed it most. But too little too late; she'd already sabotaged herself. After that she pouted and sulked her way through errors in the EF's instead of taking advantage of those wonderful opportunities to win herself an Olympic title.

And then we fast forward to this years TF. That 'fall' on her arabian was an absolute disgrace. She didn't even try. You can see on the slo mo that once she wobbled initially she just lets go of her core and literally jumps off. Contrast that with Biles' amazing save in AA (or going back to Nastia in 2006 with that amazing handstand exit from her acro series :respec:). Those girls gave a shit. Komova just doesn't.

This is where her attitude really showed its true colours. Instead of looking in the mirror and acknowledging that she didn't do her job, she blamed everyone else and this time it's bitten her in the ass. It's so obvious that she believes, because she has the best form, she should win despite the errors; that her E-score should somehow be enough to make up for it. Basically that it all be handed to her on a plate. No fight required. That is what is wrong with Komova. As a fan of gymnastics, I'd like nothing better than to see her on top of the podium. When it works her gymnastics is glorious!! Like yesterday - of course she should have won the gold outright in the UB final. But after all that's gone before it's hard to be that bothered for her really. Girl needs a complete attitude U-turn. If she's able to realise that she still has to fight for it, despite all the natural gifts she has, and show some respect for the girls who have only a fraction of her talent but work infinitely harder and have a drive for success she could only dream of at this point; well then she might have a chance.

All this is JMO obviously ;)
 
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Well, none of the argument justifies the judging yesterday, judging was a joke. Komova's attitude should not be used judges what she is putting up on the bar finals because the reaction is quite evident from gymnastics fans. You could make argue about the result either way at both 2011 and 2012 AA world and Olympics, but yesterday's was very blatantly corrupt judging, I wonder how Nelli Kim sleeps at night with this kind of judging.
 
Domshabfan said:
Well, none of the argument justifies the judging yesterday, judging was a joke. Komova's attitude should not be used judges what she is putting up on the bar finals because the reaction is quite evident from gymnastics fans. You could make argue about the result either way at both 2011 and 2012 AA world and Olympics, but yesterday's was very blatantly corrupt judging, I wonder how Nelli Kim sleeps at night with this kind of judging.
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I never said it did; just that I struggle to give a damn. A bit like Komova herself in team finals eh? ;) I doubt it was corrupt judging rather than complete ineptitude somewhere along the way resulting in a farcical outcome. Of course Komova should have won, as I already stated above :)
 
Domshabfan said:
Well, none of the argument justifies the judging yesterday, judging was a joke. Komova's attitude should not be used judges what she is putting up on the bar finals because the reaction is quite evident from gymnastics fans. You could make argue about the result either way at both 2011 and 2012 AA world and Olympics, but yesterday's was very blatantly corrupt judging, I wonder how Nelli Kim sleeps at night with this kind of judging.
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Nelli has made her fair share of questionable calls, so she probably sleeps just fine.

I do agree; however, that regardless of Komova's attitude, she should be scored by her performance only. I was a little surprised when I saw the E score because I didn't see that many deductions (but I wasn't at the angle the judges were, so I assumed I just couldn't see something they saw). As an American and a Kocian fan, I'm sad by the result. Of course I want Madison to win medals, but I want her to win them because she earned them based on that performance and I don't really feel like she did yesterday. I went back and watched her routine and I think she should have been anywhere from 4-6 tenths lower on the E score yesterday.

Komova is one of those athletes that despite having sublime form and line, I can't seem to ever want to root for her. That doesn't mean I think her results are unearned, but if she wins that's fine and if she doesn't, that fine too. Even back as far as the 2010 Youth Olympics, before I knew she was a brat, I thought she was amazing and totally deserving of what she won, but I didn't find myself really rooting for her. In fact, despite vastly inferior gymnastics, I was more captivated by Ana Sofia Gomez of Guatemala and Carlotta Ferlito. Not everyone can be a Mostepanova and that's okay.
 
Happy for Wittenburg - he's done so many good routines this worlds, he deserves to walk away with a medal. I hope he does!
 
35 year old Marian Dragulescu leads ahead of Daniel Whittenburg.
 
I made it on time today. Whittenburg is having a really good meet. Drags is just legendary. I am in awe.
 
I can't imagine what it's like to see everyone compete your vault, and then you have to do it!
 
Komova's attitude shows in her performances, IMO. She never competes all that well or aggressively, and she has small or even big lapses that you wouldn't expect from someone so theoretically perfect. The judges have to mark what she puts out and not some idealized version of what she could do. She's no Milo or Khorkina. Cry me a river that she has to share a gold medal because piked her Jaeger. :wuzrobbed
 
becca said:
The problem though is that some of it is leotard. A lot of those benefits are going towards the Americans..... As I said earlier. Artistry matters when its American vs American. Not Russian vs American. Oh for a smaller event they might let the Russian get it.

And its more about the type of gymnastics Komova represents. You may hate her attitude but her gymnastics the form and the extension is unreal. That takes work and it doesn't get rewarded. That's where some of the anger comes from. So we get more and more Raismans.

Now I like Douglas and hope she overcomes Biles but she didn't have form Komova has.

We will likely never see a gymnast like Komova again. Why work on those type of intangibles if it is not rewarded. She really is special. So no I don't like Komova's attitude and she would be better of taking a look in the mirror. But it still is a wrong message for the sport.
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Yes Americans always get the benefit of doubt in two places- womens gymnastics and womens singles figure skating. It is just like how everytime there was a decision between Michelle Kwan or Sasha Cohen (or even Sarah Hughes) and say Slutskaya or Butyrskaya, the American always won. Or if it were Kwan, Cohen, Lipinski, and Yamaguchi in a close decision vs anyone else (not just Russian) for that matter, the American always got the benefit, every single time. The Russian or non American only won when it was clear cut. The same thing in the past with Shannon Miller, if it was close Miller was always given the nod. Her wins at the 93 worlds and 94 worlds were close and questionable, particularly since she had mistakes, but since she was American of course it went her way. In recent times it was the same whenever it was Komova or Mustafina vs Wieber/Douglas or any American. Now it isnt close anmore since Biles is blowing everyone away, and Gold or Wagner would be put over say Tuktamysheva evertime if they were close in performances and ability, but they arent.

It definitely benefits to have a U.S flag on your back when you are an American women in those sports. Huge automatic edge before doing anything. I feel for Komova's frusteration in the past. Also Kocian tieing her on bars was a total joke, and yet another example of all I said. No wonder Komova was laughing at yet another American gift.
 
RE Komova: The judges are human, and they have all of the flaws and emotion that go along with that. The same as Komova. No one is going to give her the benefit of anything when she's not willing to help herself.
 
Well, hopefully we won't end seeing a Athens repeated at the Rio Olympics.
 
beam finals is always such a mess! Seriously. It's made even worse when the best beamers - Chunsong, Iordache, Douglas and even Downie aren't in the final! Blah
 
poths said:
beam finals is always such a mess! Seriously. It's made even worse when the best beamers - Chunsong, Iordache, Douglas and even Downie aren't in the final! Blah
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Yup. For the other events, finalists need to keep the difficulty and up the execution if they expect to medal. BB, staying on is #1.
 
Scoring in WAG needs a complete overhaul. This is the worst beam final I have ever seen, and the scores are taking longer than if scores were out of 10.0

It's been 10 years and we are here. NCAA BB EF were a lot better than this.
 
I'm thinking they should withhold the gold if the top person doesn't break 15. It would make up for the extras they handed out yesterday.
 
Biles was awesome, obviously but they have to be the crappiest silver/bronze medal performances on beam ever. It's depressing!!!
 
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