From Russia with Love [#35]: Winter 2019

You may not like Plushenko, but that doesn't justify being a complete asshole whenever his name is brought up.
I’m assuming this was aimed at me? I’d love to see your case for how I don’t like Plushenko. Your other charge is also ridiculous, childish delivery aside.

By the way, I love Plushenko. I even like all his Edvin Marton programs. :drama:
 
I’m assuming this was aimed at me? I’d love to see your case for how I don’t like Plushenko. Your other charge is also ridiculous, childish delivery aside.

By the way, I love Plushenko. I even like all his Edvin Marton programs. :drama:

It wasn't directed at you, but at Zebraswan, who rather than show one shred of sympathy used it as a chance to go "Hope that'll teach you." Charming. Clearly they think Plushenko is a monster who gives no shits what happens to his kid.

Also I fail to see how the first part of my message was childish people still use those exact words to justify why someone was raped along with that good old standby "You were out at that time of night? You should have been more careful!"

No, it's not the victim's responsibility to avoid a crime, it's the criminal's to not commit the crime in the first place.

And if you love Plushenko I fail to see why you have no problem whatsoever with his son getting a death threat and then getting blamed for it. Yagudin would probably more sympathetic!
 
WADA recommends Russia face new Olympic ban

The recommendations are far-reaching but, I would imagine, quite unlikely to be adopted in full.
 
WADA recommends Russia face new Olympic ban

The recommendations are far-reaching but, I would imagine, quite unlikely to be adopted in full.
They need to be adopted in full. You have any idea how crazy it is to do what russia has done? Its insane.
Because Russia has helped people in neutral uniforms cheat they all have to be banned from competing as neutrals too
 
As for Sasha Plushenko getting a death threat...it's horrible, but it just underscores how incredibly irresponsible his parents are for exploiting him the way they do. Doubt they will change anything though.
^blame can also be placed on parents for putting a child in a position to be receiving death threats.

Your comments are no different than saying "a girl would not have been raped if she did not wear a slinky blouse and a mini-skirt to a dive-bar".

This is victim blaming, and people obviously have very clear double standards - blame when they don't like the victim, and cut into people's throats when the same is said about their favorites.

The issue with parents making a child into a celebrity is about "how it affects the child psychologically and physically".

A child being a celebrity is not a free card for death threats. People make death threats for many different reasons, not just against children.

Aleona Kostornaya has a stalker, who is an older man, he came to her last Challenger event, pretended to be audience, and tried to hug, kiss and grope her during winners' circle. He also posts while fotos on line, "making out" with her poster.

It could have been any skaters, or any athlete.
Should the athletes stop competing in public because of very sick people? There is no way for the venues to "security check" every ticket holder for "intentions"... ;)
 
Daniil Gleichengauz received the title of Honored Coach of Russia, awarded by the Ministry of Russian Sports.

 
WADA recommends Russia face new Olympic ban

The recommendations are far-reaching but, I would imagine, quite unlikely to be adopted in full.
That would be soooome Olympic competition if the Russian skaters are banned. :rolleyes:
 
That would be soooome Olympic competition if the Russian skaters are banned. :rolleyes:

I won’t watch the 2022 if there are no Russian skaters in it. I love figure skating but that love was the result of watching some great skating by Russian skaters. Most of them never did drugs. Punishing them for someone else’s actions is grossly unfair. We have already seen what happened to Stolbova and Bukin. I don’t want to see that happening ever again, to any skater, from any country.
 
I won’t watch the 2022 if there are no Russian skaters in it. I love figure skating but that love was the result of watching some great skating by Russian skaters. Most of them never did drugs. Punishing them for someone else’s actions is grossly unfair. We have already seen what happened to Stolbova and Bukin. I don’t want to see that happening ever again, to any skater, from any country.

I really want the individual Russian athletes to get to compete, it would be crushing to have to miss maybe their one chance at an Olympics because of some bonehead decisions made from on-high.

But at the same time, if the IOC doesn't punish Russia harshly, they'll lose any credibility they have left. You know if this was some minor sporting country, they would have been banned indefinitely. Is there a way to punish the Russian Olympic Committee but not the athletes? I think they tried that at the last Olympics but it was a mess, especially the complete lack of transparency with regards to banning some athletes and not others. If they go that route again I hope they at least let the athletes appeal their bans.

It's a total mess, and one entirely of Russia's making.
 
I won’t watch the 2022 if there are no Russian skaters in it. I love figure skating but that love was the result of watching some great skating by Russian skaters. Most of them never did drugs. Punishing them for someone else’s actions is grossly unfair. We have already seen what happened to Stolbova and Bukin. I don’t want to see that happening ever again, to any skater, from any country.

And to this day I don't think they even gave a single rational explanation for either one of those bans either. They were just banned and that's it. Apparently it was supposed to be blindly accepted, no questions asked. I think that tells you all you need to know about how bad this whole situation smells
 
I won’t watch the 2022 if there are no Russian skaters in it. I love figure skating but that love was the result of watching some great skating by Russian skaters. Most of them never did drugs. Punishing them for someone else’s actions is grossly unfair. We have already seen what happened to Stolbova and Bukin. I don’t want to see that happening ever again, to any skater, from any country.
Agreed. Stop me if I'm wrong, but figure skating doesn't seem to be the most incriminated sport when it comes to performance enhancing drugs. A blanket ban would be ridiculous. Yet they have to do something or else it's a free for all, everyone uses whatever illegal shit they want and competition becomes meaningless. That means a thorough investigation, checking on everyone and sharing results publicly. It's a huge job but it'd be time and money well spent to lift the cloud of suspicion.
 
IMHO the only reason she hasn't already competed with a quad is a certain arrogance on Mishin's part that her 3A should be enough.. And it was 6 years ago. She's been beaten by her own teammates every time she's competed against them since. The internal competition is so high, no skater can take anything for granted. And maybe he's finally realized she is far and away the best skater he has at this time.
 
How can you not admire this? And it just goes to show that if you have good jumping technique, age is no barrier to development. Massive :respec:

Yes, I think this is huge.

This is the first evidence that a quad jump can be learnt and landed by an adult lady with a mature physique.

I think up until now there has been the understanding that such a jump is only possible for very young, very small and very thin skaters.

Well done to Mishin for breaking new ground and teaching this jump. I'd be very interested to hear him speak about how they went about it. I love the way Liza jumps, it all comes from the legs. There's none of that helicopter arms that other skaters use to fling themselves into the rotations.

Very interested to see what happens now that this has been achieved. It may well give a lot of other coaches encouragement.

IMHO the only reason she hasn't already competed with a quad is a certain arrogance on Mishin's part that her 3A should be enough.

lol I assume Eteri is guilty of the same arrogance because she never taught Zagitova or Medvedeva a quad?
 
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Yes, I think this is huge.

This is the first evidence that a quad jump can be learnt and landed by an adult lady with a mature physique.

I think up until now there has been the understanding that such a jump is only possible for very young, very small and very thin skaters.

Well done to Mishin for breaking new ground and teaching this jump. I'd be very interested to hear him speak about how they went about it.

Very interested to see what happens now that this has been achieved. It may well give a lot of other coaches encouragement.



lol I assume Eteri is guilty of the same arrogance because she never taught Zagitova or Medvedeva a quad?
Liza has been working on the quad for several years, but she has said, they didn't really push it because they didn't think they needed it. Same as her learning the 3A as a junior. It wasn't until the current youngsters who've been doing quads in juniors for the past three years started coming into seniors, that Liza and Mishin have realized they did need it. So, it's not as if she just started doing this yesterday. :lol: As for Zag and Med, they didn't need the quad because they could a) do the harder jump combos, b) backload the jumps for the bonus. The ISU changed the rules and the juniors started jumping quads and 3As. One thing the team at Sambo-70 does way better than Mishin is quickly adapt to the changing environment. He's slow to adapt programs to new requirements. He was with Plushenko. Remember the "transition" issue. Liza's programs still don't have many because he doesn't think they're important. Mishin is a great technician and teacher, but he doesn't study the play book for what is going to get the most points until he realizes his skaters aren't winning in Russia where it really counts in regard to going to Euros, Worlds and the Olympics. Which is why Liza missed the last two. Whether Zag and Med master either a quad or 3A remains to be seen. Certainly, Eteri and company can teach the jump. It's up to Zag and Med to decide if they want to learn it. I'm pretty sure both are doing the in the harness at this point.
 
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As for Zag and Med, they didn't need the quad

Neither did Tuktamysheva when she steam rolled her way through the 2014-2015 season.

That's no different to the big seasons that Medvedeva and Zagitova had during the window when they held skills the rest of the field didn't have.
 
Neither did Tuktamysheva when she steam rolled her way through the 2014-2015 season.

That's no different to the big seasons that Medvedeva and Zagitova had during the window when they held skills the rest of the field didn't have.
I believe that's what I said. She didn't need it when she won worlds as the 3A was enough. Now, it's not. Ergo, she's spent the time needed to master the jump.
 
One thing the team at Sambo-70 does way better than Mishin is quickly adapt to the changing environment.

These are two completely different things, IMO. Bringing up a new generation of younger athletes with more difficult jump formats vs. upgrading an already established senior athlete's jump format. If Sambo-70 were to upgrade Zagitova's jump format in this manner it would be an apples to apples comparison.
 
I agree. Didn’t he make racists comments regarding African Americans back in the day? I don’t remember exactly when it was or what he said but I do remember he made a public apology.

His exhibition program skating with “bananas costume” was considered culturally insensitive.
 

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