I really hope she won’t (and Mishin said that she won’t). Health is the most important thing here, and pneumonia is a quite serious disease.Maybe there is a chance she can skate.
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I really hope she won’t (and Mishin said that she won’t). Health is the most important thing here, and pneumonia is a quite serious disease.Maybe there is a chance she can skate.
.. but one can hope that maybe Liza is in secret a "super-duper" girl and can pull off the impossible and recover swiftly and skate, and medal.... one can hope, it is not illegal..I really hope she won’t (and Mishin said that she won’t). Health is the most important thing here, and pneumonia is a quite serious disease.
She still has a chance, the third spot on Euros/Worlds team will be determined by the coaches council after Nationalsdoes it mean she can't be at Euros? I want to see her there
Shilenko, Vasilieva, GrachevaWho's next in line if Tuk is out? Sakhonovich? Surely, it must be her.![]()
((((Sima))))Shilenko, Vasilieva, Gracheva
Maybe they were desperately waiting for her to get her triple jumps and it isn't quite as cut and dry as she makes it sound. Sometimes its best not to discuss these things in public because it's usually a lot more complicated than the athlete even understands.Wow, if the coaches wanted someone better for him, it was really unfair to have her waiting for 1.5 year!
It is fair enough if they wanted her to continue with Miroshkin only if she gets a triple, but she could have been told that before she waited for 1.5 year. Then she would have a choice whether she wants to start searching for a partner immediately, or trying to get the triples, or searching and working on triples at the same time. And after he recovered, she wouldn’t be surprised that she split up, if she still didn’t have the triples yet. Now it seems that they kept her as a back up option and that’s not fair. It would have been better to be open with her.Maybe they were desperately waiting for her to get her triple jumps and it isn't quite as cut and dry as she makes it sound. Sometimes its best not to discuss these things in public because it's usually a lot more complicated than the athlete even understands.
Fill me in. What is it that Mozer has done to pairs? (This is a genuine question-- just thought I'd clarify in case anyone thinks I'm being passive aggressive
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You do realize that the entire scoring system was changed in figure skating because of controversy during a pairs event? It can happen in any discipline. And during any quadrennium.
It is fair enough if they wanted her to continue with Miroshkin only if she gets a triple, but she could have been told that before she waited for 1.5 year. Then she would have a choice whether she wants to start searching for a partner immediately, or trying to get the triples, or searching and working on triples at the same time. And after he recovered, she wouldn’t be surprised that she split up, if she still didn’t have the triples yet. Now it seems that they kept her as a back up option and that’s not fair. It would have been better to be open with her.
As you said, she struggled with triples for a long time and he never dumped her, so why would it suddenly change after she has waited for him for 1.5 year? I am not going to get involved in Ilynikh/Katsalapov situation. My view is that if what Fedorova says is true, Miroshkin and his coaches didn’t behave very well and it is completely her business whether she decides to say it publicly or not. If they wanted people not hear about that, maybe they should have been more honest with her in the first place. They get what they deserve.She struggled with triples for a long time and it never dawned on her that with her partners ambitions this could have been a deal breaker? Either way its unfair to say these things publicly in much the same way as Katsalapov ripped Ilinykh in the press only to show that he had similar struggles and he would also need time to become a stable partner. I say this to say that sometimes the truth doesn't lie in one side or the other. Sometimes its best to say nothing and move on.
She struggled with triples for a long time and it never dawned on her that with her partners ambitions this could have been a deal breaker? Either way its unfair to say these things publicly in much the same way as Katsalapov ripped Ilinykh in the press only to show that he had similar struggles and he would also need time to become a stable partner. I say this to say that sometimes the truth doesn't lie in one side or the other. Sometimes its best to say nothing and move on.
You are ridiculous. She has every right to talk about what happened to her career if someone asks. I think it's more unfair to string someone along all that time and then dump them. If he was thinking of it earlier because she didn't have triples, that's fine, but there is a thing called communication and he could have given her an ultimatum so at least she wouldn't have had the rug pulled out from underneath her.
Nothing prevents Max from telling his side of the story, either, if he wants. This entire forum is full of gossip and speculation (including that from yourself), and much of it is straight up fanfiction - and you think she doesn't have a right to tell her own story?![]()
I'll give you that much, he can do as he pleases.
Also, she has every right to tell her own story, it just doesn't leave the right impression for me personally. Didn't they fall apart many years ago?
I have a serious question after watching the junior pairs’ press conference.
Not only are the Russian girls talented, they are almost all beautiful. Really. And yes I know about hair and makeup but really, you can’t disguise bone structure. They are really knockouts.
Do Russian coaches weed out the homely ones in the beginning of the process? I can see them rejecting those whose body type isn’t promising, but if a good skater with an unlovely face shows up, do they point her to ice hockey or speedskating?
I really want to know. Without naming names, there have been enough not-so-attractive US lady skaters that I assume we don’t do that here.
So what’s the difference between what Miroshkin did vs Katsalapov?
I know from my own experience (evaluated, along with many other kids, for various sports in the 60's/70's in USSR) that "body type" plays a role in selection, some coaches even look at parents' body types to predict what the child will be like when he/she grows up (if a particular body type plays a critical role in a given sport).Do Russian coaches weed out the homely ones in the beginning of the process? I can see them rejecting those whose body type isn’t promising, but if a good skater with an unlovely face shows up, do they point her to ice hockey or speedskating?
I really want to know. Without naming names, there have been enough not-so-attractive US lady skaters that I assume we don’t do that here.
I have a serious question after watching the junior pairs’ press conference.
Not only are the Russian girls talented, they are almost all beautiful. Really. And yes I know about hair and makeup but really, you can’t disguise bone structure. They are really knockouts.
Do Russian coaches weed out the homely ones in the beginning of the process? I can see them rejecting those whose body type isn’t promising, but if a good skater with an unlovely face shows up, do they point her to ice hockey or speedskating?
I really want to know. Without naming names, there have been enough not-so-attractive US lady skaters that I assume we don’t do that here.
I have a serious question after watching the junior pairs’ press conference.
Not only are the Russian girls talented, they are almost all beautiful. Really. And yes I know about hair and makeup but really, you can’t disguise bone structure. They are really knockouts.
Do Russian coaches weed out the homely ones in the beginning of the process? I can see them rejecting those whose body type isn’t promising, but if a good skater with an unlovely face shows up, do they point her to ice hockey or speedskating?
I really want to know. Without naming names, there have been enough not-so-attractive US lady skaters that I assume we don’t do that here.
Yep. I was picked for figure skating, gymnastics and diving. Would be stupid attempting, say, swimming or basketball with my body type.From what I read, in the USSR (and may be in the current Russia too) they look for talented kids at a very young age, and decide what sport is right for the child. I remember Katia taking Daria to Russia to make an assessment. I think they look for talent rather than looks.
I agree with you though that many of the Russian lady skaters are very beautiful.