Finlandia Trophy 2025 Rhythm Dance "I Really, Really, Really Wanna Zingas"

tony said:
Yup. Fournier Beaudry and Cizeron got ChSt called as the first element of the program. Absolute nonsense.

Literally the only choreography they want done these days is within the confines of their stupid Ch elements.
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Judge 9 gave it a -2 GOE

:D
 
Braulio said:
Sarah Hurtado is doing commentary for Eurosport Spanish feed and is very very good, not a cheerleader nor a hater but have a good input for almost every team and explain elements, right now she is very very surprised about the judging call :P
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I was more surprised by Caroline and Michael getting 4/3 on the one-foot sequence in Warsaw yesterday.
 
tony said:
Yup. Fournier Beaudry and Cizeron got ChSt called as the first element of the program. Absolute nonsense.

Literally the only choreography they want done these days is within the confines of their stupid Ch elements.
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The fact that a choreo step sequence is there as a technical element says everything you need to know.

I remember there was a part of the PCS score that could relate to this…
 
beepbeep said:
The fact that a choreo step sequence is there as a technical element says everything you need to know.

I remember there was a part of the PCS score that could relate to this…
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Robin Cousins said it best. He went on some small tangent about how the Ch elements shouldn't be called Ch because why isn't the entire program choreography? But at this point in dance, it's so far removed from actually having a separation of PCS from these Ch things.
 
Hmmmm ..... seems like Ice Dance NEVER disappoints. Always results in lots of conflicting opinions and discussion. Chaos and confusion, as usual. I will leave you all to sort it out.

See you tomorrow, although not until the Men's FS. I don't do 6:30am for skating. That's what video replays are for.
 
The politics this season are taking us back to the 1998-2002 era :shuffle:.

Despite the politics, I thought Zingas and Kolesnik should've beaten Gilles and Poirier. How did G&P get +3 and +4 on the twizzles given her error?

Not a fan of F-B&C nor the program, but they deserve to lead. The call was ridiculous and they probably lost ~3 points from it? The judges gave it positive GOE, even though it should've received negative, so at least the damage was limited.
 
PRlady said:
Considering they scored 121 at CoC, that should be easy, but the way things are going it’s best to take nothing for granted. Also S/D have a very good FD.

I’m just upset for the Browns, it’s clear they would have scored well but for the twizzle disaster.
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They got the highest levels here in the RD ;) They are fine. They were fine when Rettstatt was assigned to this panel.

eta... I feel I should, in fairness, point out that they are as good as any mid top ten team. No arguments there. But also think, in fairness, we should point out the obvious here.
 
Piper was very candid in the mixed zone as reported by Golden Sport on X:
We put in a lot of work since Skate Canada, we felt really good and skating felt also really good today.

It is really unfortunate the top athletes in the world are getting level 1s on their pattern step. We are all working really hard but we are made feel a bit like Junior Skaters. I think there is room for the technical to grow.

I am proud of everybody here and I hope tomorrow will be better for everyone.

We love this sport. I think where our system is right now is at a crossroad, and I think the viewership is also understanding that we're kind of in that situation. Like, they don't know what's happening when they see an exclamation point. What the heck does that even mean, you know? So there's just moments in our sport that we've lost that connection to who's watching and also the connection between who's controlling our fate.

And I think that's where this needs to change. The judges should judge what they see, the beauty and the artistry of this sport.
So I hope that there's a way that we can move forward and open it up and truly be creative, because I think that's what the fans are wanting. They're wanting to come back and support this sport, but I think if our system is still this way, I don't think we're going to keep bringing in the people, because we're discouraged and the audience is discouraged.”
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Private Citizen said:
Not a fan of F-B&C nor the program, but they deserve to lead. The call was ridiculous and they probably lost ~3 points from it? The judges gave it positive GOE, even though it should've received negative, so at least the damage was limited.
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That's about how much I think they lost. GilPoir's clean choreo step today received 7.57 points, ChoBat's clean choreo step last week received 8.21 points, and FBCiz's miscalled choreo step received 4.79 points. Splitting the difference between what GilPoir and ChoBat received would have given FBCiz 3.1 additional points and put them right at 83.00 in the RD, which seems about right.

All things considered, FBCiz have some more work to do on the RD. Clean, with the choreo step called as the last element, they're probably finishing at least 2 points behind ChoBat & maybe tied with GilPoir.

Comparatively speaking, Evan got a L2 on his twizzles last week in the RD and ChoBat still managed 84.77 - and they had an 84.44 at CoC with a more lenient tech panel. GilPoir scored 85.38 at SCI with clean twizzles and higher levels on their midline. GilPoir were definitely not as "on" today as they were in Saskatoon, but Piper's twizzle error today cost them about 3.75 points alone.
 
I completely agree with Piper. It's ridiculous how the tech panels have made themselves the story of the dance season so far. It's like they've decided to apply completely different standards this year and the best teams in the world can't meet them. I think a lot more should be left up to the full judging panel.

I love Zingas/Kolesnik. On top of the exceptional performance ability you could see from the start, they've been improving technically at a pretty fast rate.
 
I don't think the judging has been any better than the tech panels have, TBH. Bloc, biased judging all around. You can predict the result based on the panel.

The GP always has the most political judging, with relatively small selection pools often producing unbalanced panels. I hope that the rest of the season gets better because we're heading for scandal territory no matter who wins. It's all a little too obvious this season, and it has been since Angers.
 
Tweet from Asher Hill:

Ice dance right now is just fakakta! The twiz mistakes are very obvious but these turn calls are brutaaaaaaal only 1 team Zingas/Kolesnik, w/ a full lvl 2 MiSt. My question is if everyone is getting level 1s and Bs how could their SS be in the 9s?

Jean Luc Baker:

Ice dance is crazy.
 
marbri said:
Tweet from Asher Hill:

Ice dance right now is just fakakta! The twiz mistakes are very obvious but these turn calls are brutaaaaaaal only 1 team Zingas/Kolesnik, w/ a full lvl 2 MiSt. My question is if everyone is getting level 1s and Bs how could their SS be in the 9s?

Jean Luc Baker:

Ice dance is crazy.
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I always liked Asher but spelling fakakta right is such a bonus.

Look, if the dancers themselves are saying the calling is insane, I believe them. There has and always will be politik in dance, and Cizeron’s return has scrambled the hierarchy. (Nice of the Shibs to be mediocre enough not to impact any of the top teams.)

On top of which, Mark Hanretty seems an honest man and certainly more knowledgeable than other commentators, and you can hear his surprise at some of the shenanigans going back to Skate for Milano.
 
tony said:
Zingas and Kolesnik only need a 108.79 in the free dance if they stay in 3rd to make the GPF over Lajoie/Lagha. Higher than 3rd and easily in.

If they are 4th, they are out.
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You know they will score that unless some catastrophe. I don´t see Dune beating Igor and his politicks and of course Zingas / Kolesnik have been doing well
 
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