Eteri Tutberidze’s message: past year, parents, skating.

I don't think David Lease, Brian Orser, Megan Duhamel, Dave Haw, Jenny Kirk, Richaud, Arytunyan, Misha Ge, Meissner, and many other top names in skating, would find it funny to be contributing to and members of the "clown car"..:rofl:

You think this is a top name is skating ...

https://youtu.be/cHWkL2NPijE

... :rofl: ... And then there's :wuzrobbed on the floor of a French men's bathroom (which is probably pretty gross considering how Frenchmen behave in cities after drinking) ... and the token hag ... etc.

:COP: Clown car ...
 
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Wow, so many posts since I checked this thread the last time. I thought there was something new, but instead, there I see the same accusations from both camps, so I would like to add my 2 cents (and apologize for a long post).

First of all, I'm very neutral towards Evgenia, I appreciate highly her determination and decision to continue and fight, I believe Orser as her coach was an extremely smart choice and I sincerely believe some of her fans who present her as a lost abused victim are doing her very bad service. That said, although Tinami probably exaggerates quite a bit, I think she makes some very valuable points.
The same goes with Tutberidze, while I disapprove some of her training methods, I find some of the accusations ridiculous. And I have huge respect for what she's achieved, especially considering the circumstances.

Remember how many people were offended when she described her "factory, where she creates the perfect product" ? Well, the same people criticise her now of not being professional because she got personally attached to a skater. The problem is if you do your job well, as a coach, you give tons of your energy, of your soul, you're not only teacher, you're also psychologue and mentor and a lot more.

Everything Zhenya has achieved until the Olympics (and imho until now, even if I know some people will argue this is a "new Zhenya", I see our "old Zhenya" with some minor changes, both positive and negative) is mostly thanks to Tutberidze and her team. And this is the reason, why I find it unacceptable to leave the way she did. It is not about flowers. I guess some posters don't understand the flowers are just metaphor for a proper, polite goodbye. Would she come personally and say to Eteri " I believe you undermined me, you didn't do maximum for my win, you messed with my health (or any other reason) so I decided to leave, but I want to thank you for the huge work you've done for me during the past years, for the experience I have now and for my titles" this would be an absolutely correct way of departure for me. To leave without announcing it personally can have only a few explanations: 1) complete lack of polite behaviour and arrogance 2) absolutely weak personality where the person prefers to hide and disappear or find an excuse, rather than to face the situation, as painful as it can be 3) intentional revenge 4) or a combination of few reasons. Sure, I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but even the bad behaviour of the other doesn't mean you should act the same....quite opposite....why not to be better? why not to leave as a moral winner ?

Second, I think people analyse too much that sentence about "Zagitova staying in junior". I can absolutely believe Zhenya said it. It was right after her skate, extremely emotional situation, the joy of skating well, sadness because she felt her dream is gone, pain, fatigue and tons of other feelings...I can absolutely see this as a spontaneous, desperate, emotional reaction...and I see nothing wrong with it. It is not as if she asked this in May 2017. Now, I see many people understand this as Eteri wanting Zhenya to look bad. For me, that sentence was just a part of the explanation about what happened right after the Olympics = "Evgenia was extremely lost, desperate and sad about losing". Nothing more or less and I would never expect it will be discussed so much. I guess we all say sometimes something spontaneously, especially, if it is an emotional situation.

On the other hand, if you believe what Tutberidze said was meant to hurt Evgenia, we should probably take the same measure for Zhenya's interviews as well. To state, Eteri plays victim while Evgenia never made any negative comment about Tutberidze is wrong.
You can say :
"I have started to concentrate more on my body, diet and being healthy and I'm grateful because Brian supports this" (= with age, she's more and more aware of the importance of good nutrition)
Or you say:
"Now I eat well which is great, because before I didn't and I didn't even drink" (= that evil Tutberidze made her suffer and even caused health issues)
Btw. I strongly disagree with Eteri's dietary methods, I just want to point out that Evgenia (or her team) are doing many negative hints about Tutberidze, but in a very smart way.
The same goes here, you can say:
"Evgenia decided to participate more in the choice of her music and choreography " (= with experience, she takes more responsibility)
Or you say:
"Earlier she couldn't decide what she will skate, now she can" (= horrible Tutberidze kept her as her prisoner and forced her to do what she wants to)

All in all, Eteri described her feelings during the past year, which was particularly hard for her. Evgenia was a big part of her life and the way she acted was one of the painful moments of her life. These are her feelings and she has every single right to express it.
 
That was a long post. You are not assuming that nothing was said and done to provoke Evgenia leaving without saying goodbye. Great!
But then you proceed to ask Why not leave a “moral winner.” This is the demand you are making of a teenage girl whose dream was just shattered vs. a grown and experienced adult? Teenage brains don’t work the same way as adult brains do. Expectations should be adjusted accordingly.

And if Team Tutberidze’s method is to have control over music choices and choreography, why is it embarrassing for Evgenia to mention that? If that’s what you do, own it.

Finally, an unrelated question: did you mean to say a coach also has to be a psychologist?
 
I wasn't going to write anything because I find it a bit pointless to speculate about what Eteri or Med felt or did. We're not in their heads and we weren't there on the spot either.

I just wanted to add my two cents as an empath: In teacher-student relationships where the student is a child or a teenager, you often develop parental feelings. This goes both ways: Med feeling like a daughter to Eteri and Eteri acting as a motherly figure for Med. I've experienced this myself as a teenager. So it's a huge blow when this relationship is broken in any way. The kind of blow that you can't get over for the rest of your life...

Somebody here mentioned that this is why professional relationships should stay professional. Perhaps, but sometimes you can't help them developing into something more than that. Med probably saw Eteri more than she saw her own mother, Eteri loved her as a person, and it sort of happened.

Not trying to justify anyone here, just putting it out there for whatever it's worth. If there's one thing I would say Eteri might learn from this, is not to invest so much of her heart to her students. But again, she might not be able to help it.
 
That was a long post. You are not assuming that nothing was said and done to provoke Evgenia leaving without saying goodbye. Great!
But then you proceed to ask Why not leave a “moral winner.” This is the demand you are making of a teenage girl whose dream was just shattered vs. a grown and experienced adult? Teenage brains don’t work the same way as adult brains do. Expectations should be adjusted accordingly.

And if Team Tutberidze’s method is to have control over music choices and choreography, why is it embarrassing for Evgenia to mention that? If that’s what you do, own it.

Finally, an unrelated question: did you mean to say a coach also has to be a psychologist?

Yes psychologist, sorry for my English.
Otherwise no, I don't see anything (other than some serious crime towards Zhenya, but that would be certainly investigated) that could justify Evgenia leaving the way she did. If you have any examples of what it could be, please list them. Anything that maybe happened last season can't erase the facts that Tutberidze taught her to spin, jump triples, have a strong mentality, resist the competitive stress and win all titles you can win in figure skating (other than OGM of course), which leads as well to the fact she is famous now, have many commercial contracts and all in all, has a great starting position for any activity she decides to do in the future.

Second and opposite to many fans, who in one sentence describe Evgenia as very articulate and intelligent and in another as "teenage girl", I find her truly mature and don't buy these "teenage" explanations. Also, when a teenager makes some mistake, there are generally adults (his parents) who should guide him/her to act properly. Would she leave this way the night after the free skate, I would understand. It was not a spontaneous teenage reaction, it happened after many weeks and after she knew she goes to Brian.

Third, Evgenia has every single right to comment or even criticize Eteri's methods. The same as Eteri has every single right to comment on her departure. And they both made hints on each other. That was my point. Many fans appreciate Russian sincere interviews with very little PC answers...until they learn something about their favourite skater they don't like.;)
 
I don’t know what went on behind closed doors because unlike Eteri, Evgenia isn’t dishing. Can I imagine a scenario where Eteri could have done or said something that lead to the split? Absolutely.

But are you saying that there’s nothing Eteri could have said or done to make Evgenia feel bad enough to leave like this because she taught her to spin and jump, so she can do no wrong?

No one is debating anyone’s right to talk. That’s a moot point. But some are of the opinion is that it’s petty and immature to continue bringing it up over a year later

Also, are you a parent of a teenager? If so, you must know that they are not puppets who do what you want whenever you want. They are real people with their own opinions. And there’s a chance the adults in Evgenia’s life didn’t disagree with her choice
 
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Third, Evgenia has every single right to comment or even criticize Eteri's methods. The same as Eteri has every single right to comment on her departure.
There is an enormous difference between having the right to say something and being right to say something. Yes, Tutberidze has the right to say such things. It won't expose her to civil liability or jail time. On the other hand, it is both bad manners and unprofessional for a coach to speak ill publicly of a former student.

I certainly hope that Tutberidze doesn't treat her own teenaged daughter the same way she has treated Medvedeva.

And as for rights, Medvedeva had every right to leave Tutberidze. Russia abolished serfdom in the nineteenth century.
 
I don’t know what went on behind closed doors because unlike Eteri, Evgenia isn’t dishing. Can I imagine a scenario where Eteri could have done or said something that lead to the split? Absolutely.

But are you saying that there’s nothing Eteri could have said or done to make Evgenia feel bad enough to leave like this because she taught her to spin and jump, so she can do no wrong?


I am sorry, but this is just crazy. C-R-A-Z-Y.

Ok, I will repeat again. It is not about Evgenia leaving, but how she left. I think she made an absolutely right choice when she decided to change coach, but I can't agree with how she handled the situation. For me, to say "thanks and goodbye" is the basis of decency. But ok, let's imagine Eteri really did something so bad to her. What about Gleikh? Dudakov? The other coach who's taking care mostly of the younger skaters, but certainly also helped Evgenia? And their dancing /off ice teacher? (sorry, forgot their names).They didn't deserve "thank you and goodbye" ? Or it was a general complot and they all made Evgenia suffer?
Crazy is, that people justify such behavior. We can support skater and love his/her skating, without finding an excuse for every mistake he/she makes. Although nowadays, many people find it normal to break personal relationship by sending SMS, so what do I know? Maybe, I'm too old school (which is strange, as I'm not even Eteri's age), but I'm grateful to my parents for teaching me to behave politely and I stand at my point.

There is an enormous difference between having the right to say something and being right to say something. Yes, Tutberidze has the right to say such things. It won't expose her to civil liability or jail time. On the other hand, it is both bad manners and unprofessional for a coach to speak ill publicly of a former student.

I certainly hope that Tutberidze doesn't treat her own teenaged daughter the same way she has treated Medvedeva.

And as for rights, Medvedeva had every right to leave Tutberidze. Russia abolished serfdom in the nineteenth century.
I absolutely agree with you in almost everything. The only problem is I don't see that ill publicity you mention. Do you mean that one and only sentence about Zagitova? Or did I miss something? Because it is not, as if she was continuously talking about her "flutz, not so perfect SS, bad character...." or anything you can imagine. Ok, I get it, she made some negative comments about her former students previously, but I think she's very restrained regarding Evgenia, especially considering the circumstances. Maybe she's also learning from her mistakes?
 
For me, to say "thanks and goodbye" is the basis of decency. But ok, let's imagine Eteri really did something so bad to her. What about Gleikh? Dudakov? The other coach who's taking care mostly of the younger skaters, but certainly also helped Evgenia? And their dancing /off ice teacher? (sorry, forgot their names).They didn't deserve "thank you and goodbye" ? Or it was a general complot and they all made Evgenia suffer?
We have no way of knowing the answer to any of these questions, what Tutberidze actually did, or whether Medvedeva actually did thank them. All we know is that Medvedeva is keeping silent and Tutberidze is :wuzrobbed :drama: :angryfire over not getting any flowers.

:violin:

But let's suppose for the moment that they did all deserve thanks and good-bye and didn't get what they deserved. They are all adults and should be able to get on with their lives. As should certain posters on FSU. :shuffle:
 
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Well, Eteri’s interview with Pozner (prominent Russian journalist, a Charlie Rose type of show) went without major incident. To quote a Russian Med fan on Twitter, congrats, Medvebots, WW3 has been averted.
 
Well, Eteri’s interview with Pozner (prominent Russian journalist, a Charlie Rose type of show) went without major incident. To quote a Russian Med fan on Twitter, congrats, Medvebots, WW3 has been averted.

Which incidents were you expecting?
 
I don’t know, maybe read this thread and deduce from there?

I have read it and many others. Also - I watched and read as many interviews with her as possible. She doesn't give them too often. Maybe Eteri is not such horror person like the majority here thinks who starve little girls and forces them jump quads against their own will.
 
Which incidents were you expecting?
Is this a serious question? Yeah, we are a little shocked she didn't trash Medvedeva. Maybe she's just as sick of putting that out there as we are. And please, nobody says she is a horror person. But lets see her quad queens have sustainable, injury-free careers that go past puberty. No, they don't jump quads against their will. They simply follow directions given to them by the coaching team. That's how it works. And the eating / water drinking issue is out there for everyone to see. Maybe you don't have a concern, but others do. Medals aren't everything.
 
I have read it and many others. Also - I watched and read as many interviews with her as possible. She doesn't give them too often. Maybe Eteri is not such horror person like the majority here thinks who starve little girls and forces them jump quads against their own will.
Here’s a piece of useful information for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
 
Is this a serious question? Yeah, we are a little shocked she didn't trash Medvedeva. Maybe she's just as sick of putting that out there as we are. And please, nobody says she is a horror person. But lets see her quad queens have sustainable, injury-free careers that go past puberty. No, they don't jump quads against their will. They simply follow directions given to them by the coaching team. That's how it works. And the eating / water drinking issue is out there for everyone to see. Maybe you don't have a concern, but others do. Medals aren't everything.
Of course, it is a serious question. As serious as all the talk here. In addition to "didn't bring flowers" - how did Eteri trash Medvedeva more?
About quad queens and their injury-free careers - figure skating is an extreme sport and even non-quad queens get many times injured. It's a dangerous sport. I don't even understand why to call little girls quad-queens ... we could rather appreciate their achievements.
Eating issues - figure skating is a sport where you must watch your weight and sometimes use extreme methods. When the Olympics are coming and your weight must be under control - then these methods are used. My or your concern doesn't change anything here.
 
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Is this a serious question? Yeah, we are a little shocked she didn't trash Medvedeva. Maybe she's just as sick of putting that out there as we are.
The issue of Medvedeva on her own, in that interview, did not even come up. Her name was mentioned in a list of other skaters, about few "general" skating issues, and Tutberidze replied to the "issues" and not about a particular skater.

The world does not revolve around Medvedeva for Tutberidze after this season, for sure. Tutberidze has plenty of success, this year and most likely in the upcoming year. Medvedeva has her own road to follow, and hopefully will also stop making veiled references to the past, and Orser and the team does the same, thus not provoking any comments from Tutberidze.
 

She thinks Brian Boitano and Berezhnaya & Sikharuidze are the best in their disciplines. Very good choices Mrs. Tutberidze :).


Well. I just saw this hilarious meme circulating on twitter lately. People are having a good laugh at this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3H2Df3U0AAYlj5.jpg

:lol:

ETA: original idea behind it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNJmfuEWR8w
 

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