Chinese skating news & social media updates pt. 5, 2023 onwards

[On My Own]

Surprised by that skate from Jin. Apparently, he had to rush for treatment after the SP, so I didn't expect him to stay on his feet, let alone land much of his planned content. (well, the 4Lz was nearly a fall, but still).

He just gave a very outrageous interview about his condition, tbh, apparently there was no summer training, and his programs weren't finished by the time he returned from Canada... And yesterday he said he didn't have a coach in China, so he chose one of his old coaches to help him, eventually.

The pain in question seems to be about his back/lower back, started in France when he was jumping, apparently so bad he couldn't get out of bed??

If CFed doesn't want to help him even in the most basic ways, why don't they at least let him quit? What's the point?

ETA: At least we know what's up though. I'll never forget the pretense from Chinese skating fans that he'd bombed 2021 worlds "despite having all the support than Yan didn't" and it's all "political" because some insider said so -- only later did we find out this guy didn't even have a damn coach that season.

 

[On My Own]

In even more bad news, apparently Wang/Liu are preparing for Asian Winter Games later this season?! (I desperately hope this is false)

ETA: God. Just searched for Liu's name on weibo, and there are indeed physical training clips (nothing on ice that I could see), and they were at CoC in the audience (...his fans took autographs from him...)

 

[On My Own]

He just gave a very outrageous interview about his condition, tbh, apparently there was no summer training, and his programs weren't finished by the time he returned from Canada... And yesterday he said he didn't have a coach in China, so he chose one of his old coaches to help him, eventually.

The pain in question seems to be about his back/lower back, started in France when he was jumping, apparently so bad he couldn't get out of bed??

If CFed doesn't want to help him even in the most basic ways, why don't they at least let him quit? What's the point?

ETA: At least we know what's up though. I'll never forget the pretense from Chinese skating fans that he'd bombed 2021 worlds "despite having all the support than Yan didn't" and it's all "political" because some insider said so -- only later did we find out this guy didn't even have a damn coach that season.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1860338784413548826

 

[On My Own]

Ah, he's invited to the gala. CFSA is a shameless fed.

Oh look, certain chinese fans are already ignoring the interview, while simultaneously claiming their favorites are the biggest victims out there. Some things never do change.

 

[ajingmarg]

Ah, he's invited to the gala. CFSA is a shameless fed.

Oh look, certain chinese fans are already ignoring the interview, while simultaneously claiming their favorites are the biggest victims out there. Some things never do change.

Jin doesn't bring results. Why would CFSA want to pay for his expenses in Canada?

Maybe he doesn't have a coach on the rink side but Orser is still listed as his coach in ISU bio and he came to COC.

Maybe they do have some agreements about coaching online?

 

[On My Own]

Jin doesn't bring results. Why would CFSA want to pay for his expenses in Canada?

Did I say anything about whether or not he brings results, or do you just have an inability to express empathy to someone who is injured to this extent and whose coaching situation is so bad, like the rest of you currently do on Chinese sns?

You don't need to be in Canada to get summer training or to have a damn coach or to be able to complete your choreography. These things weren't afforded to him. You can see the difference clearly between his lack of stamina this season and others who did have that training afforded to them, but then you're the joker who was claiming Li Zeen was a great partner for Wenjing, so lol.

If they can't afford to give basic resources to someone they should let him quit. Simple. Yet he appeared in the shanghai trophy gala, and despite needing to get treatment after the SP he's been asked for the gala here. The lot of you can learn how to stfu for once instead of rationalising whatever bullshit that fed comes up with.

 

[ajingmarg]

Did I say anything about whether or not he brings results, or do you just have an inability to express empathy to someone who is injured to this extent and whose coaching situation is so bad, like the rest of you currently do on Chinese sns?

You don't need to be in Canada to get summer training or to have a damn coach or to be able to complete your choreography. These things weren't afforded to him. You can see the difference clearly between his lack of stamina this season and others who did have that training afforded to them, but then you're the joker who was claiming Li Zeen was a great partner for Wenjing, so lol.

If they can't afford to give basic resources to someone they should let him quit. Simple. Yet he appeared in the shanghai trophy gala, and despite needing to get treatment after the SP he's been asked for the gala here. The lot of you can learn how to stfu for once instead of rationalising whatever bullshit that fed comes up with.

It was Jin who wants to continue and not the Chinese Federation which is pressing him to stay in the sports.

LOL that you think if the Chinese Skating Federation will spend more for his oversea training which leads to no improvement even for the presentation marks

 

[On My Own]

LOL that you think if the Chinese Skating Federation will spend more for his oversea training which leads to no improvement even for the presentation marks

You don't need to be in Canada to get summer training or to have a damn coach or to be able to complete your choreography. These things weren't afforded to him.

Where precisely do I say he needs to be overseas for this?

Yeah "he" wanted to continue, and assuming it's true, he can still be afforded a bloody proper training environment, unless you want all the other Chinese skaters to lose funding and training environments based off their results now, which will leave them with quite literally nobody. And yet, hilariously, they sent ID teams for foreign coaching, and some of the girls for overseas coaching over the summer. No need to send your brain into overdrive when there isn't one.

Not that I care enough about your perception of his or anybody else's components, but people have noticed he's improved.

 

[ajingmarg]

Do you have functioning eyes and a brain to go along with that?

Where precisely do I say he needs to be overseas for this?

Yeah "he" wanted to continue, and assuming it's true, he can still be afforded a bloody proper training environment, unless you want all the other Chinese skaters to lose funding and training environments based off their results now, which will leave them with quite literally nobody. And yet, hilariously, they sent ID teams for foreign coaching, and some of the girls for overseas coaching over the summer. No need to send your brain into overdrive when there isn't one.

Not that I care enough about your perception of his or anybody else's components, but people have noticed he's improved.

Do they - the judges see his improvements? He is marked even lower than Dai this time.

I also don't care about your perceptions

I pay attention to how the judges mark him

 

[On My Own]

And yet, hilariously, they sent ID teams for foreign coaching, and some of the girls for overseas coaching over the summer.

Not just them, but the aforementioned Yudong. Not that I expect much logic out of the people saying stupid shit like this, but ^^^ is basically what a certain group of morons has been doing ever since he moved to TCC. Nothing mattered, no injury, no illness, just from the first day, cut the funds, he's “stealing" money from more deserving junior skaters, so on. But not even possessing the fortitude to say "oh wow, that sucks, hope he gets well soon" is just beyond anything.

 

[raruki]

I don't buy Boyang’s saying.

He said that he didn't have a coach during off season. I couldn't say anything whether it was true or false apart from the time when Jia Shuguang flew to Canada with him and trained with him in Toronto. He did have a “Coach-like person” with him when he was in Canada. If he felt that Jia didn't fulfill her responsibilities to act as a “Coach” for him, he should bring that out to the press or report it to the upper management. To say that he didn't have a coach during off season is not true.

Also, he said that his choreography is not finished. Yes, the timing of his going to Canada was indeed late but he had 2 months to get his new programs done. If his choreographer hadn't finished the new program in such a long time, he should have asked for a refund and blacklist him immediately. Honestly, to say that he hadn't gotten his new programs done in 2 months is way too laughable. Does his fans really believe that is true？

I can't say other things about Jin's mistreatment from CFSA. But honestly, everyone who closely follows Chinese figure skating should know the fact that all the funding an athlete can receive is from their provincial teams and local skating clubs, not CFSA, especially during this Olympic cycle. His fans keep saying that your CFSA is a sh*tty organization, an organization that only received 1 million Chinese yuan for their yearly budget, for not sending their top man overseas to train, they should ask why is his local team not providing him with enough money to go to Canada at the first place?

 

[On My Own]

I don't buy Boyang’s saying.

You don't need to. Nobody cares if you don't.

He said that he didn't have a coach during off season. I couldn't say anything whether it was true or false apart from the time when Jia Shuguang flew to Canada with him and trained with him in Toronto. He did have a “Coach-like person” with him when he was in Canada. If he felt that Jia didn't fulfill her responsibilities to act as a “Coach” for him, he should bring that out to the press or report it to the upper management. To say that he didn't have a coach during off season is not true.

It's hilarious how some of you will go out of your way to twist someone's words that are out on media, but will believe any and all insider gossip.

It doesn't matter if you don't think it's true. His words matter more.

Also, he said that his choreography is not finished. Yes, the timing of his going to Canada was indeed late but he had 2 months to get his new programs done. If his choreographer hadn't finished the new program in such a long time, he should have asked for a refund and blacklist him immediately. Honestly, to say that he hadn't gotten his new programs done in 2 months is way too laughable.

Why? You think the choreographic and training process is the same everywhere? You think someone can recover their physical conditions easily despite injuries and age?

Does his fans really believe that is true？

Do you believe that it's true that An Xiangyi's mother isn't abusive like you said here: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...h-noodles-for-milan-2026.109798/#post-6278554

Does this woman who also seems to know Xiangyi still believe he's going to be at TCC till 2030, like she was saying: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...-pt-5-2023-onwards.110661/page-4#post-6442420

Don't think foreigners like me aren't noticing your bs, or that we don't know some of the "rumours" are from that particular abusive skating parent. Or that some of us haven't been plain disgusted with chinese rumour mills for a long time.

His fans keep saying that your CFSA is a sh*tty organization, an organization that only received 1 million Chinese yuan for their yearly budget, for not sending their top man overseas to train, they should ask why is his local team not providing him with enough money to go to Canada at the first place?

Yeah, this applies to him and his fans, but it doesn't apply to your own posts on this thread whining about CFSA and funds and skaters, right? Or Xiangyi fans. Or Yan fans. Keep making it about fans, and we will see. And still: he doesn't need. to. be. in. Canada. to. be. with. a. coach. and. complete. his. choreography.

Congrats on your favorites for beating him when he didn't have a coach and was injured. Must be a source of pride.

 

[On My Own]

BTW, since we are talking about fans, let me bring up that after 2021 worlds, Yan fans sure were convinced that Jin had bombed on "purpose" to "lose two spots and steal fame". And we can bring up the Xiangyi fans who are yet again attacking Beverly Zhu for her funding and having a "scientist father" (no saying where the initial rumors had begun in 2021, or why it seemed suspiciously like Xiangyi's mom was behind them).

ETA: Xiangyi fans sure are funny btw. Just dug up a few screenshots I'd saved on my phone where they were claiming Jin was funded by both the Heilongjiang province and Beijing. Funny that he's not at TCC and his fans should be aiming their complaints at his provincial team despite such immense support.

 

[On My Own]

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Eagerly awaiting what some people have to say about this new interview on CCTV5. After all, a Chinese national athlete will go to state media and just lie. Did Jia Shuguang not go with him? Why did he not blacklist his choreographer?

 

[On My Own]

Does Boyang trying a layback spin in his gala mean he's lying about his back being injured? Curious minds want to know! Do tell me!

 

[zigzig]

I'm really liking Daiwei Dai - lots of raw potential there.

 

[On My Own]

Jin withdrew from Nationals due to lower back pain, which means he can no longer do AWG because this was the qualification competition for that (it is in his hometown).

Wonder if it's "laughable" that he has an injury and had to withdraw, or maybe if the photo of his back he's attached is just AI generated and he's lying. My mind is still very curious and is very confused right now about why there's such a lack of response.

 

[ginsengtea]

Anyone know why the ice dance team Xiao/He are competing as seniors when both of them are just 17?

 

[Karen-W]

Anyone know why the ice dance team Xiao/He are competing as seniors when both of them are just 17?

Because they're the 2nd best senior age-eligible team China has????

 

[On My Own]

I'm just cracking up that Linghao gave away this as his twitter on his ISU bio https://x.com/Jasper0743

"An Astarte from the Fist of the Empire."

 

[ginsengtea]

Because they're the 2nd best senior age-eligible team China has????

Sure, but what happened to Li/Rodin? I haven’t been keeping up with Chinese ice dance very closely admittedly, but I do recall that they beat Xiao/He at a domestic competition this season.

Did either Zixi or Linghao appear on the JGP in previous seasons given their tender ages? I don’t know much about them besides the fact that they train at IAM so was just curious, it’s kind of like they came out of nowhere.

 

[On My Own]

Sure, but what happened to Li/Rodin? I haven’t been keeping up with Chinese ice dance very closely admittedly, but I do recall that they beat Xiao/He at a domestic competition this season.

Maybe they just didn't do well at the stop meant for CoC selection? I kept up with very little of that this season though.

Another reason could be if Rodin doesn't have the passport to participate internationally for China, but IDK the rules for the GP series there.

ETA: @Ka3sha says this, so whatever the rules of Russian Fed are：

I am genuinely surprised that Rodin doesn't have a release, especially since some of the second-third tier skaters easily got it this May. Maybe the issue is with the country that is asking for a release (for example, last year he didn't have a country/federation asking for his release, now it would be Chinese Federation).
Anyway, if he doesn't have it now, his next chance is December, as RFSF holds its meetings twice in a year, in May and December

 

[Karen-W]

Sure, but what happened to Li/Rodin? I haven’t been keeping up with Chinese ice dance very closely admittedly, but I do recall that they beat Xiao/He at a domestic competition this season.

Did either Zixi or Linghao appear on the JGP in previous seasons given their tender ages? I don’t know much about them besides the fact that they train at IAM so was just curious, it’s kind of like they came out of nowhere.

I'm operating under the assumption that Rodin doesn't have his release from the RFSF yet, since Li/Rodin haven't competed internationally yet, despite their promising domestic scores. Hopefully the release will come next month and they'll be able to get the CTES mins to put them in consideration for China's Worlds spot.

I'm not sure where Zixi and Linghao came from - it looks like their only international competition prior to this season was Trophee Metropole Nice last year. https://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00118564.htm (results page - https://www.ffsg.org/resultats/2023-2024/TMNCA2023/index.htm)

 

[otisgear]

Nationals senior pairs results:

1. Zhang/Huang 175.18
2. Zhang/Feng 165.01
3. Guo/Zhang 154.84

All I want for Christmas is Zhang/Feng and Guo/Zhang 2 JGP slots each next year please please please

 

[Sylvia]

Is there a entries/results/streaming link for Nationals?

"China’s figure skater Jin Boyang announced on Tuesday via Weibo that he will miss the upcoming Chinese Figure Skating Championships as the 27-year-old plans to focus on treatment for a back injury." [Nov. 27, 2024] https://x.com/PDChinaSports/status/1861644831745015878

ETA that 3 junior ice dance teams are competing today & tomorrow at the Santa Claus Cup in Budapest:

Lingxuan MENG / Lang CHEN (international debut)
Xinyi YU / Tianyi LIU https://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00114153.htm
Shanjie YIN / Shirui YANG https://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00119568.htm

 

[On My Own]

There are streams.

And I already posted that news.

 

[otisgear]

Zhang/Feng FS
Please enjoy Zhang/Feng's new Notre Dame de Paris free program, choreo by Sui. The only clean free in the pairs event complete with upgraded 2A+2A+2T SBS combo, what a delightful surprise.

 

[Sylvia]

Beverly Yi ZHU won the Senior national title (ETA that I misread it, sorry ), according to her Instagram post. Is there a results page that can be linked to?
172.96 total (58.64 SP, 114.71 FS).

 

[tony]

Beverly Yi ZHU won the Senior national title, according to her Instagram post. Is there a results page that can be linked to?
172.96 total (58.64 SP, 114.71 FS).

You can find the information here:

Skating Scores: Latest Figure Skating Results, Scores, Rankings & Statistics

The best resource for Figure Skating scores and stats on the web.

skatingscores.com

She was 6th place, though.

 

[On My Own]

Yudong won Chinese nationals, happy to see that, it was just plain better than Day (stupid to see the PCS flipped there, but whatever, skating and its scores both make about as much sense as the antivax movement). Zhiming finished 3rd.

Beverly Yi ZHU won the Senior national title (ETA that I misread it, sorry ), according to her Instagram post. Is there a results page that can be linked to?

Beverly finished 6th. The top 3 were Jin Shuxian, Gao Shiqi, and Wang Yihan (from Harbin - nicknamed "coco" for some reason), in that order.

I don't know where to find the results page. Hua Hua posted screenshots: https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5106827362568420