2024 ISU Congress Agenda

[kwanfan1818]

If they get past not having the authority to delay implementation to 26-27, doesn’t that mean they can just reject it in the next conference, like they did the QR rounds?

If they can’t get past being able to change it, can they remove it from the package, or do they vote on the package as is?

 

[ice coverage]

... Not sure what they mean about an updated version of the current judging system though.

I believe the reference is to the launch of new scoring software for 2024-25 from Swiss Timing.
(I think President Kim or Colin Smith or someone else this week spoke also within the Congress livestreaming about upgrades from Swiss Timing? Although the tweet was about the press conference.)

"The ISU and ST Sportservice GmbH (Swiss Timing) will provide virtual introduction sessions for the new FS Score software which will be launched for the upcoming season 2024/25.
The newly developed FS Score software will feature enhanced functionality and support an advanced video quality.
From season 2024/25 onwards, the current FS Score software will be discontinued and will no longer be supported in terms of rule changes and any other updates ..."​

https://www.isu.org/figure-skating/rules/fsk-communications/33769-isu-communication-2633/file

(May 8)​

Don't know when the sentences below on Swiss Timing's site were written, but they say that the video replay system is HD.
I think the part about HD quality could be new?

"We have also introduced a high-definition scoring system for figure skating. Each element presented by the skater is evaluated instantly and reviewed using our combined scoring and HD video replay system. ..."

Scoring - Swiss Timing

Swisstiming Sport Software

www.swisstiming.com

 

[Karen-W]

And we're back, only 2 minutes late in starting!!!! People are still filtering into the room and taking their seats so we'll probably be waiting at least a few more minutes before we hear the outcome of the ISU Council lunch discussion regarding the Single/Pairs Tech Rules package implementation.

Another roll call - I'm guessing that the ISU Council agreed to let them have a longer discussion.

 

[On My Own]

Another roll call - I'm guessing that the ISU Council agreed to let them have a longer discussion.

This is like the most boring primary school English class ever, except it somehow manages to be as incoherent and chaotic.

 

[marbri]

So I randomly started watching todays video and considering the complete inability of some members to follow simple instructions ie.. "stand up with your green card and don't sit down until I tell you to" helps to understand why ISU figure skating makes so many inept decisions. I mean christ on a bike, stand up and don't sit down until Benoit says you can. How complicated is that ?

 

[Karen-W]

ISU Council is putting forward a motion that requires only a simple majority to pass agreeing to delay implementation of the Singles/Pairs Tech Rules proposals 234 through 246 is delayed until 2026-27, however 236, 237 & 243 will be effective immediately.

236 - spin position wording update and legalizing somersaults/back flips
237 - junior singles short program elements
243 - junior pairs short program elements

Voting guidelines - simple majority approves the delay of 234, 235, 238-242, 244-246; rejection - the entire package is approved with immediate implementation.

 

[Debbie S]

So the choices are either to implement all now or some now and some later? So they're not going to vote whether they want them implemented at all?

 

[Karen-W]

So the choices are either to implement all now or some now and some later? So they're not going to vote whether they want them implemented at all?

So it would seem. They can always backtrack at the next Congress in 2026 like they did with the Worlds QRs this year, lol.

 

[Debbie S]

So it would seem. They can always backtrack at the next Congress in 2026 like they did with the Worlds QRs this year, lol.

What a fecking mess.

 

[Karen-W]

Italy - is pissed about how this whole thing has come about, but it sounds like they're in favor of delaying implementation and they don't agree with eliminating one jumping pass. He also is not happy and thinks it is disrespectful to the skaters who are already working on programs for next season.

USFS - Sam Auxier - agrees with Italy but also wants to take the vote.

Eric Radford - agrees that they just need to move forward; blah blah blah ISU Vision 2030 moving sport forward, blah blah blah; but also the skaters will be fine and can adapt with these changes.

Russian FS - more kvetching about the legal issues; something about the dates of these decisions, etc but he ultimately agrees with delaying implementation of the new tech rules package.

 

[ice coverage]

So the choices are either to implement all now or some now and some later? So they're not going to vote whether they want them implemented at all?

Leaving aside the question at present of implementation timing ... per the Constitution, the way for members to have a voice on the proposals pertaining to technical rules is to state an objection to a proposal, and then for members to vote on an objection.
Per the Constitution, the members do not have a vote on a package (in entirety) of proposals pertaining to technical rules.

(Second half of my post from yesterday is on this issue: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/2024-isu-congress-agenda.111760/post-6605225)

(As we have just seen: The lunchtime decision from ISU Council regarding implementation date required a simple majority of the figure skating branch to be in agreement -- thus this afternoon's member vote re implementation date.)

 

[On My Own]

idec anymore imagine being a competitive skater they'd retire before the isu came to any decision at all

 

[Debbie S]

WTF is Russia doing there? I get the legal issues but them being there is a farce.

 

[Lutzes&Loops]

Introducing such major changes in the midst of an Olympic cycle is crazy; and in the middle of season preparation, there will be athletes who will be at a disadvantage whether it passes or not because they have already gotten their programs done and are in the midst of preparation for the season.

 

[Karen-W]

I saw Madame Georgian president standing up in favor of the delay. Anyone else we can easily identify?

 

[Lutzes&Loops]

I saw Madame Georgian president standing up in favor of the delay. Anyone else we can easily identify?

USFSA, Sam Auxier was up with a green card.
and the Irish lady

 

[Karen-W]

WTF is Russia doing there? I get the legal issues but them being there is a farce.

They were allowed to participate in 2022 so I presume they're still allowed this year to exercise their rights as an ISU member.

I saw Cong Han voting against delay for CFSA.

Seems like this is going to be a close vote.

 

[On My Own]

caseyedwards better not be complaining about california's voting procedures anymore

 

[Karen-W]

Delay passed! 31 in favor, 25 against, 1 abstention

 

[Lutzes&Loops]

yay! I am happy

 

[Karen-W]

Well, they've now moved onto the Closing of the FS Branch session and we're done! Everyone gets the rest of the afternoon and evening to hit the casinos!

 

[Debbie S]

So the discussion of the ISU's grand vision is tomorrow?

I wonder if USFS' plan (in removing their objection to those 3 amendments) is to do a full-out challenge in 2 years, hoping the Congress will reject them like they did the Worlds QRs this year.

 

[On My Own]

I feel sleepy - although I don't recall watching skating recently.

 

[Karen-W]

So the discussion of the ISU's grand vision is tomorrow?

I wonder if USFS' plan (in removing their objection to those 3 amendments) is to do a full-out challenge in 2 years, hoping the Congress will reject them like they did the Worlds QRs this year.

Hard to say. I really can't figure out why the Tech Committee pressed ahead, especially with the pairs lift change, when apparently quite a few pairs skaters showed up for the discussion at Worlds and expressed their objections to removing a lift element.

 

[On My Own]

Most certainly not - just post it to the Ice Dance thread. Crossrolls have been a point of contention for years now.

It just makes perfect sense that gkelly liked this. I say that respectfully of course.

 

[overedge]

So they're saying skaters can step to an inside edge and rock over to outside? Um, OK....that's not the way I learned my Adult Silver Moves, but whatever...

I wish I'd known this was OK when I failed the Canasta Tango for doing exactly this.

 

[Aussie Willy]

I have just scanned through the posts.

Someone mentioned crossrolls? I love crossrolls.

 

[Andrea82]

I saw Madame Georgian president standing up in favor of the delay. Anyone else we can easily identify?

I think I spotted Russia, Galit Chait, Igor Lukanin, Kazakhstan

 

[Karen-W]

I think I spotted Russia, Galit Chait, Igor Lukanin, Kazakhstan

Ari was standing up too for Armenia, and I saw the JSF in favor of the delay.

I spotted Karen Butcher (Canada), Norway, India and Indonesia all opposed to delay.

 

[Andrea82]

Ari was standing up too for Armenia.

I spotted Karen Butcher (Canada), Norway, India and Indonesia all opposed to delay.

Spain, Iceland, Monaco, Norway and Perù among the Red cards too.