2022 Nationals in Nashville

PRlady said:
If Tennessee hosted an event that was suddenly bubbled it would be a political disaster, it's an extremely red state with a ton of people who have sued to open churches and evade vaccine requirements with religious exemptions. The minute USFS said you have to be vaccinated to attend, the state would countermand it.
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It’s interesting because the arena itself had that policy for predators games. It was dropped a couple of days after the governor passed a law saying towns couldn’t enact mask mandates.

That was also before Omicron but was surprised they didn’t bring it back with the spike in the past couple of weeks.
 
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Actually if the USFS had insisted on it, the Bridgestone Arena would have required vaccinations/negative tests for audience attendants. So the decision not to was the USFS's.

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Individual events can make their own policies I believe. Which is why the sudden change was disappointing. I made my decision to buy tickets based on the requirement that now doesn’t exist.
 
The competitors know what they need to do. They are going to be around a bunch of other competitors backstage and on the ice by themselves. I think a lot of people here still don't get that many skaters (team USA included) are partaking in a lot of activities around friends, unmasked, traveling, etc. and they are gauging their own risks, likely because they are vaccinated and maybe even boosted. It's not as if they've been in a bubble for the last 2 years and they are only coming out of it to go to Nationals. They will be alright.

The way to completely avoid the risk to sit in a bubble at home, which all fans have the option to do in terms. of a skating competition.
 
million$momma said:
I am shocked that Nationals is being held in Nashville. Could the current event be cancelled and then relocated to a state where maintaining a bubble would be doable? I worry for the health of the US athletes.
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It starts 2 weeks from tomorrow, so no.

USFS definitely could have insisted on a vax/test mandate. But unlike a concert, Nats is week-long, with spectators arriving throughout the day, sometimes leaving and returning multiple times. It's much easier to check people on 1 entry (like my local theater has been doing and I hope they'll still be doing when my mom and I go there to see Dear Evan Hanson in March, rescheduled from May 2020) than multiple times all day long for a week.

(And I suspect the venue rental cost may go up for enforcement of additional rules not instituted by the venue.)
 
Let's all preemptively congratulate Scott Hamilton on his efforts to infect the US team with the plague before the Olympics. (He, along with his skating program at Ford Ice, are the reason anyone even deigned to consider Nashville.) I'm sure he'll find some way to warp this into some brightsided vaguely creepy evangelical message about overcoming obstacles. All PR is good PR, huh?

This is what happens when you host an massive event in the middle of a pan demic (a questionable decision to begin with!) in a state run by conservatives, who have no regard for safety, humanity, etc. I'm not surprised they aren't enforcing shit. USFS had plenty of time to change location, to do something better, and quelle suprise, they did the least.

As for skaters not having bubbles back home: True to a degree, but every rink has their own set of safety protocols. No rink in the US, to the best of my knowledge, has a proof of vax requirement, so "safety" has always been a gray area. But whatever they have, it is far better than whatever piece of garbage is trying to serve up here.
 
million$momma said:
I am shocked that Nationals is being held in Nashville. Could the current event be cancelled and then relocated to a state where maintaining a bubble would be doable? I worry for the health of the US athletes.
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What in the world are you talking about?
 
Theoreticalgirl said:
Let's all preemptively congratulate Scott Hamilton on his efforts to infect the US team with the plague before the Olympics. (He, along with his skating program at Ford Ice, are the reason anyone even deigned to consider Nashville.) I'm sure he'll find some way to warp this into some brightsided vaguely creepy evangelical message about overcoming obstacles. All PR is good PR, huh?

This is what happens when you host an massive event in the middle of a pan demic (a questionable decision to begin with!) in a state run by conservatives, who have no regard for safety, humanity, etc. I'm not surprised they aren't enforcing shit. USFS had plenty of time to change location, to do something better, and quelle suprise, they did the least.

As for skaters not having bubbles back home: True to a degree, but every rink has their own set of safety protocols. No rink in the US, to the best of my knowledge, has a proof of vax requirement, so "safety" has always been a gray area. But whatever they have, it is far better than whatever piece of garbage is trying to serve up here.
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Yeah, I'm sure that Hamilton & company are trying to infect people intentionally. :rolleyes:

Like I said, you take a risk every time you're leaving home or you're around someone else. The majority of people here follow skaters on at least one form of social media. You or anyone else wanna sit here and try to tell me that the skaters have been bubbled up at all times throughout the last 6 or so months? They haven't been. They do know what is at stake and I think they know how to behave by now. The 'rink' isn't the only thing they are doing.

Regardless of where the event is being held, it's still on the individual to assess their own risks and make sure they are careful. Some super progressive areas are getting hit hard right now, if you didn't notice. The skaters can still do their parts to take precautions. It's not as if other people will be breathing down their necks all day, unless fans want to be annoying.

We are just going to circle back to the same debates that have been going on for the last 20 months, but it still ultimately comes down to the skaters assessing their own risks and the same goes for the fans. I'm sure people will gladly buy tickets for near-full price at this point if you don't feel comfortable. But the same risk is always going to be there regardless of whether you're in a super blue state or a super red state.
 
Theoreticalgirl said:
This is what happens when you host an massive event in the middle of a pan demic (a questionable decision to begin with!) in a state run by conservatives, who have no regard for safety, humanity, etc. I'm not surprised they aren't enforcing shit. USFS had plenty of time to change location, to do something better, and quelle suprise, they did the least.
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YUP! True that

(in bold above. That is not true. And I resent it is terrrible. . You just took an entire group of people and pigeonholed them.
 
tony said:
You or anyone else wanna sit here and try to tell me that the skaters have been bubbled up at all times throughout the last 6 or so months? They haven't been. They do know what is at stake and I think they know how to behave by now. The 'rink' isn't the only thing they are doing.
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Not once did I say they were in a bubble—if anything, the overall mindset of the figure skating community throughout this thing has been to skate no matter what, health and safety be damned. If people actually cared about these things, rinks would have more stringent safety protocols. And here we are, in the Season 3 pickup of Le Pan De Mic.

P.S. Sarcasm, do you not comprehend it?
 
Theoreticalgirl said:
Not once did I say they were in a bubble—if anything, the overall mindset of the figure skating community throughout this thing has been to skate no matter what, health and safety be damned. If people actually cared about these things, rinks would have more stringent safety protocols. And here we are, in the Season 3 pickup of Le Pan De Mic.

P.S. Sarcasm, do you not comprehend it?
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I got it, and I thought it was stupid and pointless. 🤷‍♂️

You're also still not picking up that I'm not talking about rinks. I'm talking about their own social lives and events with friends.
 
Aceon6 said:
I don’t think you can bubble a hotel, especially one in a low vax area. The JGPs and GPs weren’t bubbled, nor were the Qualifying comps. It will be up to the athletes to stay as safe as possible. By now, they all should know what to do.
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Skate Canada has bubble. NHK skaters could only go to rinks and hotel. Japanese skaters themselves have to go through 2 weeks of quarantine when coming back from abroad. Skate America and nationals 2021 had bubbles before.
 
tony said:
I got it, and I thought it was stupid and pointless.

You're also still not picking up that I'm not talking about rinks. I'm talking about their own social lives and events with friends.
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Yes, I got that. I think it is also a wild assumption to know what safety protocols they are taking. But I agree with you on this point—they're probably not doing much because as a culture, we have decided that we don't give a **** about the virus.
 
angi said:
Skate Canada was held in a bubble, so was NHK Trophy. I'm not sure about the rest of the competitions but I think it's likely at least some were in bubbles as well (I'm also not sure if it is required by ISU rules or not).
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Also, SkAm

It is a Team USA requirement that athletes (and officials and delegates) be vaxxed to compete at the Olympics. Therefore, I assume anyone who has hope of finishing high enough to be picked for the team has been vaccinated already. Here is the policy:


There are exceptions for religious exemptions (which I don't agree with in general) but hopefully, they are being stringent about it and only giving them to people who don't get vaccinated in general and not anyone who asks.
 
overedge said:
LOL at the poster bashing Brennan for allegedly being an opportunist, when that same poster jumps on every possible opportunity to bash Brennan.
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Apparently reading comprehension isn’t a strong point. LOL

Did you notice that I also said I generally admire her.

You can generally respect someone and and occasionally disagree with them.


Personally I think if Twitter went the way of smoke signals it would not be a great loss. And this points out why. When you only have 140 characters you cannot have context.
 
My NYC cousin knows of 14 Covid positive cases among his clients since yesterday! This variant seems to be raging through New York. None of the cases appear to be serious. All are Pfizer vaxxed, so no anecdotes from him of the impact of Omicron on unvaxxed or on Moderna vaxxed.
 
I know every country is different, and people are different. But from a personal perspective, even after I’ve had my vaccines I’ve tried to keep my social circles small (especially in the weeks before I have travel etc planned). I’m (clearly) not an elite skater, but I wouldn’t be surprised if many of them have had a similar approach as they know how detrimental it is for them health, training and competing wise to even be a close contact and have to self isolate, let alone contract it.
 
There is no way they could relocate this event. Your two options are have it as scheduled now or go to a video only competition


You really can’t afford to push the competition out another few week because between four continents and the Olympics there’s just not time. . So you decide you’re not going to Nashville in 15 days. Do you really think there’s a place that you could invoke a bubble in 15 days, and get everybody there, TV crews etc. Probably not. So the options are do it later which is going to mess up everybody’s training schedules, and probably wind up skipping four continents or go to a video only I guess that latter option could be done but that’s the only other option I think they have at this point



Or finally I guess they could just take the top three from last year and send them the Olympics - probably won’t make a difference either way
 
Carolla5501 said:
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So where in this entire thread did you read that their skaters who aren’t taking their health seriously?
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Just comment on this. Different skaters taking different measures
“a lot of people here still don't get that many skaters (team USA included) are partaking in a lot of activities around friends, unmasked, traveling, etc. and they are gauging their own risks, likely because they are vaccinated and maybe even boosted.”
 
Alexa said:
Just comment on this. Different skaters taking different measures
“a lot of people here still don't get that many skaters (team USA included) are partaking in a lot of activities around friends, unmasked, traveling, etc. and they are gauging their own risks, likely because they are vaccinated and maybe even boosted.”
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That doesn't mean that people don't take their health seriously. But please, let's keep circling back to this idea of everyone being locked up for the last 20 months and not seeing the light of day. Or the belief that not one of these skaters has been around people other than their partner, or that they haven't gone out to eat.

By having somewhat of a life outside of being home, it doesn't mean any of them are acting foolish. I keep repeating the same thing: people have been gauging their risk levels for almost the entirety of 2021 and here we have part of FSU with the literal idea that they go to the rink and go home and lock themselves up every single day. Nationals is going to be no more of a risk than going through the airport for internationals or domestic competitions or even going to the grocery store has been, nor is it any riskier than being around any friends or family that haven't stayed 100% locked up.
 
Alexa said:
Just comment on this. Different skaters taking different measures
“a lot of people here still don't get that many skaters (team USA included) are partaking in a lot of activities around friends, unmasked, traveling, etc. and they are gauging their own risks, likely because they are vaccinated and maybe even boosted.”
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And so you went from that to assuming that people are saying skaters they don’t care about their health?


I think what people are saying is skaters, like the rest of us, have to just make the best decision. But for skaters, just like most of us, locking ourselves in our home for two years with no human contact wasn’t really a realistic option
 
Christine Brennan also tweeted (in same thread) quotes from Frank Carroll:
“Simple statement: they will not be safe at all! Everyone allowed near the athletes should show proof of vaccination and wear a mask.” Now retired, he is planning to attend.
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As well as Karen Chen:
I’m not going to lie. I am a little bit concerned. US Figure Skating is doing everything it can to keep us protected…but with the new variant, it’s definitely a little scary.”
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Karen shared an Instagram story after having had her booster shot recently.
 
tony said:
That doesn't mean that people don't take their health seriously. But please, let's keep circling back to this idea of everyone being locked up for the last 20 months and not seeing the light of day. Or the belief that not one of these skaters has been around people other than their partner, or that they haven't gone out to eat.

By having somewhat of a life outside of being home, it doesn't mean any of them are acting foolish. I keep repeating the same thing: people have been gauging their risk levels for almost the entirety of 2021 and here we have part of FSU with the literal idea that they go to the rink and go home and lock themselves up every single day. Nationals is going to be no more of a risk than going through the airport for internationals or domestic competitions or even going to the grocery store has been, nor is it any riskier than being around any friends or family that haven't stayed 100% locked up.
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where did I say lock them up? I said different skaters taking different measures. Skate Canada had a bubble, everyone still had a life. There doesn’t need to be a bubble in a strict sense like what we had for nationals 2021 or SkAm 2021, but there better to be some measures taken, like periodic testing done at nationals and SkAm last year or dedicated elevators for skaters. Skaters likes peace of mind to compete themself. Alysa also talked about in her conference call.

There are more strict COVID measures in cities like Boston and NYC. Unfortunately you couldn’t enforce similar policy in Nashville. Then what could we do to help skater feel more safe? Nothing??
 
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Theoreticalgirl said:
Let's all preemptively congratulate Scott Hamilton on his efforts to infect the US team with the plague before the Olympics. (He, along with his skating program at Ford Ice, are the reason anyone even deigned to consider Nashville.) I'm sure he'll find some way to warp this into some brightsided vaguely creepy evangelical message about overcoming obstacles. All PR is good PR, huh?

This is what happens when you host an massive event in the middle of a pan demic (a questionable decision to begin with!) in a state run by conservatives, who have no regard for safety, humanity, etc. I'm not surprised they aren't enforcing shit. USFS had plenty of time to change location, to do something better, and quelle suprise, they did the least.

As for skaters not having bubbles back home: True to a degree, but every rink has their own set of safety protocols. No rink in the US, to the best of my knowledge, has a proof of vax requirement, so "safety" has always been a gray area. But whatever they have, it is far better than whatever piece of garbage is trying to serve up here.
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You’re actually trying to say that Scott Hamilton campaigning for this event is now responsible for a pandemic? Yes I’m sure that was Scott’s goal, he just knew that it would come during a pandemic and he would be responsible for infecting thousands of people. Really?

this post is so far out of line that all I can say is thank goodness for ignore
 
Carolla5501 said:
And so you went from that to assuming that people are saying skaters they don’t care about their health?


I think what people are saying is skaters, like the rest of us, have to just make the best decision. But for skaters, just like most of us, locking ourselves in our home for two years with no human contact wasn’t really a realistic option
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Where did I say some skaters don’t care about their health? I wasn’t clear in the first comment, but made it clear that different skaters taking different measures.
Ps, I don’t like Christine’s way of tweeting myself
 
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