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4CC’s has never had this much attention before. They should try cancelling it every year. 
2022 Four Continents Comes To Rude Euro Land (Relocation to Tallinn)
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Karen-W
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Nah, I recall it getting at least this much attention in 1999 when the inaugural 4CCs was held. Canada made damn sure to send their A-team that year since they were hosting it, lol.4CC’s has never had this much attention before. They should try cancelling it every year.
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Well it’s 1999 again, then!
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Selfishly that was my first thought. I can usually get up by 5:30 for skating....but Estonia is seven hours before EST so it might be 4:30 instead. It's still better than China.
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We’ll get a really good comparison this year between teams sent to Euros vs 4Cs. If European federations send their A-Lists to Euros, then US, Canada,Japan, Korea, China, etc better send their A-Lists to 4Cs. Olympics or not a few weeks later. No excuses, folks!
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As an off-topic FYI, Tallinn hosted the sailing events on the Baltic Sea for the 1980 Summer Olympics.
I hope Tallinn gets a big influx of Japanese fans for this, especially since only residents of Mainland China can attend the OWG.
I hope Tallinn gets a big influx of Japanese fans for this, especially since only residents of Mainland China can attend the OWG.
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Kudos and thanks to the Federation for stepping up. Even if the Olympic skaters don't attend, it's a big deal for the skaters who do attend and in many fields there are a lot of interesting skaters who won't make the Olympics. I'm glad for the skaters' sake that the event isn't cancelled.
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Senior events in Canada will also likely end on Sun, Jan 8. In 2014, they flipped the schedule and had seniors first, then novice and junior.
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Well, you can always skip the first 2 or even 3 groups in singles.
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It's not really any different. The reason that North America doesn't send its top skaters to Olympic 4CC is because of nationals proximity, which is unchanged.
That's never been an issue for the Asian federations, though given that it's now been moved way outside of their timezones, I'm not sure what they'll do either.
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Based on the descriptions in the Japan Open thread, even if the top Japanese Ladies don't go to Tallinn, their entries are going to be 
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It would really rock if Hanyu went and landed his first 4A there
.It would really rock if Hanyu went and landed his first 4A there
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It's Tallin, Estonia. I'm not kidding.
And you all teased me for saying "why not consider Europe" !!
Karen-W
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Japan doesn't usually send its top Olympic team members in singles to 4CCs during the Olympic year either. And China didn't send its top Pairs in 2018.
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I must note that Phil Hersh replied to me on Twitter that 4Cs is "not necessary in an Oly year." I'm too busy at work today to get into an argument with him but feel free to pick up!
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Phil Hersh is a tool and if I had Twitter anymore I would.
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There's a 4CC thread title ready made: "Party Like It's 1999."
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Haven't some countries used 4CC as the final selection criteria for their Olympic spots?
Seems pretty necessary in an Olympic year to me.
Seems pretty necessary in an Olympic year to me.
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Not typically.
allezfred
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If? Name a year when European federations didn’t. I’ll eat your fluffy pink sweater if you can tell me.
Sometimes I really think some North Americans here do not get how prestigious Europeans is for European skaters and how prestigious it is to host the event prior to an Olympics.
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I'll be intrigued to see who the US and Canada send for dance - it makes sense to send the B teams because their top teams are retiring and they need the B teams to go into next season with more points if they want to start the quad off as strong as possible
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Aren’t Euros like 2-3 weeks after Russian Nationals? Russians have never sent the B Team to Euros. If anything, they’ve often used Euros to make final determinations on who to send to Worlds.
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I don't know if 2018 was an outlier, but Uno, Tanaka, Miyahara, and Sakamoto competed at 4C's in Taipei in 2018. Ladies FS was Jan 26 , and Men's was Jan 27, and I assume all three were required to skate in the exhibition. All competed in the TE, Uno on Feb 9, Miyahara on Feb 11, and Sakamoto and Tanaka on Feb 12. The Men were back on less than a week later (Feb 16-17), but the Ladies had until Feb 21, 23 for their individual events.
In Tallinn 4C's will run from Jan 17-22. In Beijing, the TE starts with the Men SP on Feb 4, and the Ladies SP on Feb 6, with the FS's on Feb 7. Men's individual comp is Feb 8, 10, and Women's is Feb 15, 17.
So it's a good thing 2022 4C's will end four days before 2018 4C's started.
In Tallinn 4C's will run from Jan 17-22. In Beijing, the TE starts with the Men SP on Feb 4, and the Ladies SP on Feb 6, with the FS's on Feb 7. Men's individual comp is Feb 8, 10, and Women's is Feb 15, 17.
So it's a good thing 2022 4C's will end four days before 2018 4C's started.
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Yes - there have been individual skaters who skipped Euros to focus on their Olympic preparation (Savchenko/Massot in 2018, Pechalat/Bourzat in 2014), but it's not typically done. Even skaters who have to travel some distance (e.g., Fernandez, Brezina, the Montreal dance teams) compete.
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Or their Federations use their last entry as a skate-off for the last spot for OWG and/or Worlds. So not their choice to skip Euros.
There are also cases when a skater chooses to retire at Euros or compete at Euros and skip Worlds (ex: Plushenko), to avoid being a seed required to skate at GP the following season.
Back in the day, there were stories of different Russian coaches pulling their skaters as part of gamesmanship, but I don't think that's happened recently.
There are also cases when a skater chooses to retire at Euros or compete at Euros and skip Worlds (ex: Plushenko), to avoid being a seed required to skate at GP the following season.
Back in the day, there were stories of different Russian coaches pulling their skaters as part of gamesmanship, but I don't think that's happened recently.
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Whichever teams finish 4th-6th at US Nats will be sent for dance, guaranteed.
US and Japan will send their 4th-6th place singles also (and it will still be a really strong competition with those skaters).
Korea will have a 4CCs ranking competition for the men and women who don't get sent to the Olympics.
Canada, the US and China will send their 3rd & 4th place pairs to this competition also.
Better travel time for the Central Asian skaters to Tallinn than anywhere else, so there is that upside.
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Even if there was no skate off for the Olympics, European skaters would still go.
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But sometimes they don't because their Federation gives that spot to someone else as a skate-off. It's not that they choose not to: their Fed chooses not to send them.
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I think part of this is because Europeans is made up of so many small feds, the championship experience is invaluable and so many European skaters miss out on the GP vs 4CC which has 4 of the biggest/strongest feds in attendance
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OK, Hersh really is an idiot.
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