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Tessari/Fioretti, all I am sayin'.Were any others left on the list a threat to Trusova and Medvedeva?
Either way, as long as the spots are filled, I am pleased.
2019/20 ISU Grand Prix Assignments & Alternates thread
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Either way, as long as the spots are filled, I am pleased.
Tinami Amori
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What does a dance team has to do with replacing ladies singles? You were commenting on the info "Peltonen took Hendrickx's spot at Rostelecom."...Tessari/Fioretti, all I am sayin'.
Either way, as long as the spots are filled, I am pleased.
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Relying on the 'weak choosing'; the italians in dance were no danger for any RUS team either and they took someone like them.What does a dance team has to do with replacing ladies singles? You were commenting on the info "Peltonen took Hendrickx's spot at Rostelecom."...
Last post to this, which was meant to be a joke
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It is so easy for people to throw a bit of negativity, and then say "oh, it was a joke" and dismissing the right of another to point out "negativity", because on this particular board throwing every possible negativity at "russians" is considered acceptable and not to be disputed.Relying on the 'weak chosing'; the italians in dance were no danger for any RUS team either and they took someone like them. Last post to this, which was meant to be a joke
guess what would happen if i make a few jokes about "Gold", "Bell", "Andrews"... Dabin had also placed 14th at Worlds, was the highest ranked lady from the previous Worlds not selected for the GP yet, and defeated Bell at 4CCs in 2017. Dabin was a strong selection. There are many that are not, but that one is not a good example of it.
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The issue with russian ladies in the GP is now "Sotskova". Her FS at the Denis Ten Memorial Challenge gave her a score of 84.77 points. This is her 2nd outing with a score much lower than her usual. And yet she is scheduled for GP events, while Sakhanovich also has 1 event, yet doing much much better. unfortunate...
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Maria SOTSKOVA RUS Free Skate 2019 Denis Ten Memorial
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Sotskova was invited to one GP (France) due to her being in the top 24 in the ISU World Standings (her ISU SB was #43 last season).
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Absolutely true, she earned that spot, and that is not what is in question. It's her ability to perform at her next GP event is what's being discussed.
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Yes. I think we have had this conversation a while back.
I was looking at selection for NHK based on their 2016/17 Grand Prix outcomes. Bell medalled. Choi did not. Therefore, Dabin was the lesser threat to Miyahara making the Grand Prix Final.
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Really? That's weird, I'm under the impression that she's injured.Do they just announce who they decide to give the open spot to or do they actually ask the skaters first?
She was listed for the Volvo Cup a couple of weeks before Rostelecom, so she must be aiming to be back in competitive form by about then anyway.
I agree with this to an extent. Better filled with lower-ranked competitors than not filled at all. BUT I think there could also be more structure to who has to be selected, especially for early withdrawals. Look at the Alternates list (RUS and JPN removed because maxed out spots) when you include the SB rankings from last year. It's pretty sad that the system allows a country to select SB 60 before SB 24 has two.
24 KOR Yelim Kim (SC)
34 KOR Young YOU (SC)
39 ITA Marina PIREDDA (none)
42 AZE Ekaterina RYABOVA (RC)
45 USA Courtney HICKS (none)
56 FIN Emmi PELTONEN (RC)
57 CAN Veronik MALLET (SA)
58 GER Nicole SCHOTT (none)
60 USA Megan WESSENBERG (NHK)
61 SVK Nicole Rajicova (none)
Other random thoughts:
-Noticed while looking at the GP selections that Yi Christy Leung was 14th at Sr. Worlds last year. Glad she got on the GP!
-Is Hicks healthy and competing this season? If so, she's sure getting the "retire-already" treatment!
Courtney Hicks is healthy and looking good in the Instagram clips I've seen posted. She had a strong free skate at the incredibly well-skated NHK last year.
I think maybe moving forward the ISU would be better to reduce the list to 5 or 6 in the 'next in line' category, and maybe not move anyone up until all of those in that group earn available spots (granted if their country isn't maxed out in the event or they are already skating in said event).
ETA- it has to be a bummer to be high on the reserves list at the start of June and literally watch 10 or 15 or even 20 spots in some seasons be replaced, none of which go to said skater even though they'd be eligible each time.
I think maybe moving forward the ISU would be better to reduce the list to 5 or 6 in the 'next in line' category, and maybe not move anyone up until all of those in that group earn available spots (granted if their country isn't maxed out in the event or they are already skating in said event).
ETA- it has to be a bummer to be high on the reserves list at the start of June and literally watch 10 or 15 or even 20 spots in some seasons be replaced, none of which go to said skater even though they'd be eligible each time.
Not only does the system allow for it, the system encourages it. The system rewards athletes based on placements at GP events separately from other events. There is no way for athletes not invited to those GP events to earn comparable world ranking points. And then the system rewards athletes based on world ranking points with more GP events. It's a cycle.
On top of which the system rewards GP hosts both by allowing them to offer extra GP berths to their own athletes and to gain more non-host GP berths by trading spots with other GP host athletes.
And by so doing, the GP system discourages the development of skating in non-powerhouse countries. The CS system encourages it, but why should GP events have their own category? Why can CS events not fill those slots--perhaps at a slightly lower point value--the same way Senior B events can fill the same slots as CS events within the World Ranking system?
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I agree with the points made here, but wanted to point out that it was expanded to the top 10 replacement list only a few years back. It used to be a top 5 replacement list, if I'm not losing my mind.
That's what I remember, too. The host federations did not care and pick someone they preferred outside the 5 replacement list anyway. So ISU made their habit legitimized.
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Maybe it could be 10 when the WD happens within a couple weeks of the event, to increase the chance of the logistics working out so the spot actually gets filled, and 5 before that.
It should probably be the top 5 who are eligible for the spot, especially in ladies. Currently 4 of the top 5 are Russian ladies + Yelim, so if a spot opened up at say, SC, they wouldn't be able to pick any of the top 5.
It should probably be the top 5 who are eligible for the spot, especially in ladies. Currently 4 of the top 5 are Russian ladies + Yelim, so if a spot opened up at say, SC, they wouldn't be able to pick any of the top 5.
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ISU ladies grid was updated yesterday (Oct. 14) with all the above changes: https://isu.org/docman-documents-li...1487-entries-ladies-2019-20-all-6-events/file
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They are no longer obligated to replace any singles skater until the field drops below 10 or Dance team until the field drops below 8, so anyone who has been chosen in those disciplines this year is gravy. So far, none of those disciplines has dropped below the "must replace" point, and, at this point, Skate America and Skate Canada are within the 14-day mark.
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Proximity wins the day!
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Have pairs teams been announced to replace James/Cipres and Zabijako/Enbert at IDF?
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Oh, I checked and can answer my own question: Ruest/Wolfe of CAN and Ghilardi/Ambrosini of ITA
ETA:
Oh, I checked and can answer my own question: Ruest/Wolfe of CAN and Ghilardi/Ambrosini of ITA
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Today JSF announced Mai Mihara withdrew from Cup of China.
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Don't hold your breath. Likely to be another Japanese girl first.
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Thing is, there may be no more Japanese ladies to send...Shiika Yoshioka is theoretically in top 10 SB list but I am not sure if she showed up anywhere this season and apparently her home rink was damaged by a typhoon...and Hosoda is great but could only go to NHK since she has no SB score...
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Did Rika Hongo retire?
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Taking season off
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That's true. I made my comment then had to dig back a few pages to see which Japanese ladies were even eligible. Hopefully one of the Korean girls will get the open spot since the Japanese options are pretty slim.
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There is Yoshioka or they have brains and invite Young You, (I mean theoretically I can't see her going to the final even with good performances.)
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Young doesn't train in Korea though, so wouldn't Yelim make more sense (she's also higher on the list since it goes by last season's SB)?
