2017-2018 Program Music and Choreographers

Casey got me good this week when I was bending over blow drying my hair. Clearly, he thought it was playtime and bolted out of nowhere, wrapped his legs around my arm and sunk his teeth into me. :yikes:

ETA - Wrong freakin’ thread. I’ll leave it here if you want to see my cat bite though. :p

Awww, tell Casey no playtime, no biting. I got bit once by mistake trying to head off a fight between two of my cats who weren't friendly and were getting used to each other. The one who bit knew he done wrong and he'd made a mistake but it happened fast and he had trouble loosening his grip. I had to get to the hospital pronto for antibiotics. Yours looks like a scratch more than a bite. The tooth marks on my arm were punctures and barely visible. Love that picture of Casey. Reminds me of one of my dearly departed except for the huge ears and wrong color eyes. :) Is Casey a boy or a girl? That pic of Casey lounging across several clothes in the closet on pink hangers. :D :P You are a lenient Mom.

Here's some music for Casey... ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1n52s-hLNI
 
There's a direct quote of mine about Carmen only in post 2711 to which Spun Silver replied. And then in typical fashion, responded and then said she was out.
Obviously there was a misunderstanding. I thought you were talking about Spun Silver's post #2709 in which she (?) did not quote you at all. So, in that post she (?) did not quote your statement which Tinami Amori quoted, but replied indirectly to your statements about Jose. In your post #2710 you responded to the other part of Spun Silver's post which was about Carmen. Spun Silver, in turn, did respond also to that in post #2711 along with mentioning Jose again, but you chose to ignore that part of said post, quoting only the first part about Jose and stating that Spun Silver had not answered your statement(s) about Carmen. Which one of you is right or wrong is another matter entirely.

And if you were replying to me about Jose (as it seemed) then it was in vain, as I did not take any side in your, Spun Silver's, Tinami Amori's and other posters discussion. I did not write about the subject (of either Carmen or Jose) at all, and am not going to. I just followed the discussion along, as it was interesting at first and then slightly amusing (sorry, can't help), and noticed some discrepancies in your mutual communication (or, rather, miscommunication).


Now (hopefully) back to program news.
 
I will secretly admit to liking that about her. :drama:

(Whoops, I guess that's not a secret anymore... ) :cool:

Tee hee, someone should make a Med-tastic gif for you then. :lol: I will admit she has the face of a doll with gorgeous liquid brown eyes, strong beautifully shaped legs that lift her up like pogo sticks, and the heart of a lion. Still, I'm not buying those false OTT expressions on her though. :P I would prefer some toned-down yet genuine Janny, and she's not quite there yet, no matter how much judges love her cuteness and those rotations. But yeah, if they went whole hog with her past crappy p's, they's gonna love them some Anna K by Ev Medvedeva.
 
Anna skating to Swan Lake totally brings back Maria Bute voids circa 1999! Can't wait!
I like the music selection at the beginning of Maria Butyrskaya's program, the part that is from Act IV, which is unusual compared to some other Swan Lake programs. The ending part from ACT III that shows the Prince's remorse is also interesting.
Anna Pogorilaya has such long and elegant neck and limbs, which give her advantages of performing Swan Lake. I think she is more suited to be a black swan because she is a femme fatale, but maybe she'll challenge herself to play both roles!
 
I will secretly admit to liking that about her. :drama:

(Whoops, I guess that's not a secret anymore... ) :cool:
I believe that Evgenia's OTT dramatics have played a significant role re her ongoing dominance in this sport, and here's why - she is having a ball! Evgenia goes out there and has fun, she hams it up! At the same time, she is focused, determined and winning because she has tapped into how an athlete can successfully compete and succeed by not succumbing to debilitating anxiety, nervousness, overthinking or over-analyzing the competition, etc. etc.

It is no secret that Evgenia's style is not for everyone, that has been well established, loud and clear, but I think her style has done wonders for her ... and it's working.

Med is probably one of the most relaxed skater's that I can think of. She takes herself seriously, but not too seriously. She has great confidence which can happen in sports when an athlete is sure of themselves, completely at ease and enjoying what they do... and Medvedeva does. The secret to (her) success.
 
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Med is probably one of the most relaxed skater's that I can think of. She takes herself seriously, but not too seriously. She has great confidence which can happen in sports when an athlete is sure of themselves, completely at ease and enjoying what they do... and Medvedeva does. The secret to (her) success. ;)

True, and probably even more so than someone like Michelle Kwan or Irina Slutskaya.
 
One of the most frustrating things about Med for me is that I think she is quite a lovely actress on the ice.
I find her authentic and completely committed to the programme, the problems for me is how cheesy, trite and contrived her programmes are choreographed.

I agree... but I actually think its the "acting" that is problematic.

Also I havent seen any versatility in her. To me she's still one-note. But, hey, it works for her.

I just aint that interested because I haven't really seen range. Same packaging, same style.

For me to pay attention to her she'd have to do something completely different and show more artistry.. something dramatic like a salsa, a pony tail, pants... something....
 
Anna needs to do a GOT program dressed as the Mother of Dragons highlighting her rise from shy abused girl to conqueror who destroys anyone that's in her way to the iron throne. That girl would bring the drama like no one can talk about an Olympic program for the ages. :drama:
 
I agree... but I actually think its the "acting" that is problematic.

Also I havent seen any versatility in her. To me she's still one-note. But, hey, it works for her.

I just aint that interested because I haven't really seen range. Same packaging, same style.

For me to pay attention to her she'd have to do something completely different and show more artistry.. something dramatic like a salsa, a pony tail, pants... something....

I think she is herself working on artistry and dancing...I have noticed in her program her extensions and arms are much better this year & I do not think she is being encouraged to do this. I also credit her 100% for ditching the horrid half over the boots tights. Uteri's other girls are still wearing them so I doubt it was her idea. My only problem is she has been given PCS as if she is a magnificent outstanding prima-ballerina and as she improves each yr they go up so now where is there to go?
 
One of the most frustrating things about Med for me is that I think she is quite a lovely actress on the ice.
I find her authentic and completely committed to the programme, the problems for me is how cheesy, trite and contrived her programmes are choreographed.

Med's OTT expressions are mostly cheesy and contrived too. Her team has been giving her crap programs with no depth that have been impossible for her to relate to in any way shape or form, beyond overly studied, faux anguished expressions that are more desperate than genuine. Anna Karenina is at least a step in the right direction (which they likely came up with partly due to the deserved critiques the crap programs received). So it's a good thing to take her team to task for giving her unworthy, nothing programs. At least with AK, Med has something more substantial to sink her teeth into. And understanding the AK story, the anguished expressions seem more genuine and understandable, especially at the end of her performance.

The put-on smile at the beginning of Med's AK performance is overdone. But I get that you are looking at Med's exaggerated expressions in the sense of an actress in a theater of mime, gesticulating broadly. Medvedeva would have been absolutely perfect as a silent film star in the era of Mary Pickford, where those type of broad overacting gestures and expressions were expected and necessary to convey emotions in front of the camera that could not be expressed verbally.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images...2012/1/12/1326389950850/Mary-Pickford-007.jpg
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13800000/Mary-Pickford-silent-movies-13810745-1613-2000.jpg
Mary Pickford

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9d/8d/90/9d8d9004d3d87c9d544851e43947eb13.jpg portrait of Evgenia
http://ostrava2017.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Evgenia-MEDVEDEVA-RUS1.jpg Med emoting in performance (which looks ok in a photograph) :)
 
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I actually don't think her acting is over the top.
I think she's doing what she's given and she's fully committed.
I just think again it's what she's been given to do
I think with a decent choreographer and some acting coaching, she'd be amazing.
I also give skaters a bit of a break when it comes to acting, because they aren't playing to the cameras which is how unfortunately most of us see skating but to the arena audience which requires less subtley to come across.
 
I almost didn't notice their program as I kept staring at my ex-boyfriend Klimov's 1/4 inch starter-bun. Oyyyyyyyyyy.

Around 2 years ago, you would've been floored at how many guys in Miami were sporting the man-bun. We see some gymnasts still going for the look, and I'm honestly surprised that it never really picked up that much in figure skating.

Now back to the topic- I'm very interested to see Pogorilaya's take on Swan Lake-- Morozov or not.
 
Medvedeva's overexaggerated facial expressions look silly on camera, but in an arena it's appropriate. The judges are far enough away at times that you really need to over-do things. Not only that, but even those farther away can see well. One way to show off your expressions is stage make-up or heavy eyeliner with bold lipstick, but not all skaters are fond of that. I've always done both.

I do agree that I'd like to see her do something other than the long-sleeved conservative dress, arms over the head in jumps, and beautiful music. I want to see some sass from her, or at least some youthful energy. We at least know she has the later in spades.
 
Around 2 years ago, you would've been floored at how many guys in Miami were sporting the man-bun. We see some gymnasts still going for the look, and I'm honestly surprised that it never really picked up that much in figure skating.

Now back to the topic- I'm very interested to see Pogorilaya's take on Swan Lake-- Morozov or not.

LOL, I watched the mens world gymnastics championships last weekend and my jaw dropped when I saw that guys man bun. Yuck. LOL

I too will be intrigued by Anna's Swan Lake.

Im too tired to look do Osmond and her go up against each other at GP?
 
I agree... but I actually think its the "acting" that is problematic.

Also I havent seen any versatility in her. To me she's still one-note. But, hey, it works for her.

I just aint that interested because I haven't really seen range. Same packaging, same style.

For me to pay attention to her she'd have to do something completely different and show more artistry.. something dramatic like a salsa, a pony tail, pants... something....

I have figured out why I can't warm up to her. That style of projection reminds me of Plushenko. It's acting instead of interpreting music. She is sending a message, but not necessarily through interpreting the music.
 
LOL, I watched the mens world gymnastics championships last weekend and my jaw dropped when I saw that guys man bun. Yuck. LOL

I too will be intrigued by Anna's Swan Lake.

Im too tired to look do Osmond and her go up against each other at GP?

They will meet at Skate Canada interestingly enough. Osmond will then meet another 2 Swans at her 2nd GP (Sotskova and Zagitova).

And there might a be a reason for the lack of man buns, Alex Kam of South Korea had one for a little while and he said he got approached by a judge asking him what it was. He cut it off soon after.
 
I actually don't think her acting is over the top.
I think she's doing what she's given and she's fully committed.
I just think again it's what she's been given to do
I think with a decent choreographer and some acting coaching, she'd be amazing.
I also give skaters a bit of a break when it comes to acting, because they aren't playing to the cameras which is how unfortunately most of us see skating but to the arena audience which requires less subtley to come across.

To each their own. I agree to a point, especially re Med's team has not given her the best guidance or programs that can enhance her abilities. As I've said repeatedly, their goal has been to try and make Med seem more mature, especially when she first came on the scene as a young teenager. Such attempts can be overdone. I do think Med could be marvelous as an actress with the right material to work with, and toning down some of her over-studied expressions and faux emotions. That's why I've continually suggested that Med's team should give her Sunset Boulevard to emote with. :D I disagree that Med's expressions are purposely exaggerated in order to help reach the audience in the arena. :lol: :p Logically, that would make sense in the theater, but not as much in a figure skating arena. It's just Med's 'thing.'

Realistically, Med's expressions can be OTT to the point of histrionics particularly when she's been working with programs that haven't made much sense. Now that they've given her Anna Karenina, and she's a bit older, some of the anguish fits better. I still feel the sense of 'rush, rush to show what a mature lady she is,' and I think that can be overdone. With real maturity, Med might be able to come more into her own as a true artist, perhaps in the vein of how Carolina Kostner progressed aesthetically and presentation-wise over the years. But no, it's 'rush rush' to grab that OGM for the Russian teenyboppers. I'd rather see Med as a ballerina or an actress than as a figure skater. Her skating to this point is technically proficient, but it doesn't touch me. Nor does her so-called 'acting' on the ice and her skating come across as seamless like that of past great champions such as Janet Lynn, Lu Chen, and Michelle Kwan. On the positive side, as I mentioned earlier, there are some good moments for Med in her new fp, and I think it is setting her toward a better direction in which her skating can further develop.

I believe that Evgenia's OTT dramatics have played a significant role re her ongoing dominance in this sport, and here's why - she is having a ball! Evgenia goes out there and has fun, she hams it up! At the same time, she is focused, determined and winning because she has tapped into how an athlete can successfully compete and succeed by not succumbing to debilitating anxiety, nervousness, overthinking or over-analyzing the competition, etc. etc.

It is no secret that Evgenia's style is not for everyone, that has been well established, loud and clear, but I think her style has done wonders for her ... and it's working.

Med is probably one of the most relaxed skater's that I can think of. She takes herself seriously, but not too seriously. She has great confidence which can happen in sports when an athlete is sure of themselves, completely at ease and enjoying what they do... and Medvedeva does. The secret to (her) success.

Ummm, mostly I don't agree with you, although of course your last paragraph makes sense. Re the highlighted comments, I seriously doubt Med herself has it that thought out. All along her team has just been trying to make her seem more mature and grownup. We gotta give it to Eteri in terms of her expert planning and strategy, which involves incorporating some American and/or popular themes with Russian aesthetics. The over-dramatic anguished style worked for pushing Lipnitskaya to stardom, and so they tried it on for size with Med too. Med's OTT dramatics have certainly garnered her a lot of attention (a lot of it negative, though there's lots of people who love her for it too). Still, I think more realistically and reasonably that it's Med's rotational skills and the judges' huge scores which have given Med dominance in the sport, not her histrionics. Most of Med's former programs have been cheesy crap with no meaningful depth, and frankly beneath her abilities.

All the point-whoring hands-over head wraps have been mostly distracting and unrelated to anything in Med's music and choreo. I disagree with overstating or romanticizing Med's accomplishments. Of course Med is relaxed and confident, even more than ever since she's been winning consistently and her reputation has soared. The OTT dramatics were used initially IMO, to make her seem more mature. Yes, a sense of confidence and determination has always been part of Med's personality. But the anguished dramatics I don't think she's using to help her relax. It's just part of what helped her team's former young star break through with Schindler's List, so Med's team decided it was a keeper style. Soon-to-be 18 years of age, Med has a more malleable and expressive face and facility to pull it off. Med is a technically accomplished, determined and hungry Russian figure skater with balls. And that gets you places in this sport, especially when you have gorgeous, doll-like looks to boot.

OTOH, if GG had been able to meld tough competitiveness with her huge talent, Med would not have won her first World championship in 2016. Let's be honest. There might have been more of a closer rivalry going on right about now. But that's figure skating and it is what it is. There's no question that GG was positioned to be the next star the judges would have loved to reward. Med was the up-and-comer coming on strong, winning events and making a name for herself. Yet still, with the wonderful tech skills and backing GG possessed, she could have been the one to prevail at Boston Worlds. It was just not in the cards, and it's nothing to lament either. Winning is something you have to want with desperate passion, but also with steely determination under pressure. Despite Med making a mistake in the sp at 2016 Worlds, she was tough enough to come back strong in the fp, plus she had been gifted with third place in the sp from the judges over a clean Ash Wagner. There's no way Medvedeva was calm and confident about winning it all in Boston in 2016. She was just obviously more determined and she had the talent, buzz/rep and support from the judges to back it up.

Anyway, all this talk and attention (both critical and admiring) is a good thing for Medvedeva. And her team knows that too. ;) Definitely though, at the Olympics Med will be facing some hungry competitors. It's just a matter of who will be the luckiest and the most determined competitor who doesn't beat themselves.

With more maturity, Med's anguished expressions will naturally gain authenticity. Right now, it's still mostly studied emoting.
 
They will meet at Skate Canada interestingly enough. Osmond will then meet another 2 Swans at her 2nd GP (Sotskova and Zagitova).

And there might a be a reason for the lack of man buns, Alex Kam of South Korea had one for a little while and he said he got approached by a judge asking him what it was. He cut it off soon after.

Sotskova only sort of counts. She's using music from Swan Lake, but she's not playing a swan, she's doing the waltz IIRC.
 
Also I havent seen any versatility in her. To me she's still one-note. But, hey, it works for her.

I just aint that interested because I haven't really seen range. Same packaging, same style.

For me to pay attention to her she'd have to do something completely different and show more artistry.. something dramatic like a salsa, a pony tail, pants... something....

I do agree that I'd like to see her do something other than the I want to see some sass from her, or at least some youthful energy. We at least know she has the later in spades.
Both of you are obviously among those people who don't watch exhibitions/gala shows. Otherwise you would have noticed that Medvedeva has shown some versatility and range, and also some youthful energy + even some sass in her exhibition programs. It's still acting, but it's of different "genres". I don't have time to look for videos now, but you can search for yourselves. Look for her 'Bang Bang'/Corpse Bride/zombie, Sailor Moon and Vogue programs + others.
 
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