Music rights clearance issues (policy being implemented by the ISU starting in 2024)

[Rukia]

Start at about the 12 minute mark to hear most of what Yuma skates to.

Christopher Tin released Yuma's exact edit if you scroll down to the "Yuma Kagiyama Edit"

 

[skatfan]

Christopher Tin released Yuma's exact edit if you scroll down to the "Yuma Kagiyama Edit"

Ah I missed that - thanks!

 

[Ka3sha]

FWIW, I spoke to choreographer at Nationals in St. Louis who told me that they've heard that many Russian junior skaters are using AI-generated music for their programs these days."

Haven’t been following Russian juniors for a while now, but personally haven’t heard or seen anything regarding it in press and among the fans /various telegram channels

 

[VGThuy]

Madonna also send some direct messages to Amber on TikTok earlier about which Amber was very excited

Someone needs to let her know about Abo/Ves.

How many skaters are doing Madonna this year? To add to the list, Zhang Ruiyang skating to “Frozen” for her short program.

 

[skateboy]

FWIW, I spoke to choreographer at Nationals in St. Louis who told me that they've heard that many Russian junior skaters are using AI-generated music for their programs these days."

At this rate, it may end up becoming the norm.

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

At this rate, it may end up becoming the norm.

Until the lawsuits start happening for copyright infringement which is inevitably going to happen with AI music.

 

[Sylvia]

Haven’t been following Russian juniors for a while now, but personally haven’t heard or seen anything regarding it in press and among the fans /various telegram channels

IIRC, there may be a database of AI-generated music in Russia that’s being utilized? If you do ever hear and/or see anything along these lines, please let us know.

 

[Cherub721]

IIRC, there may be a database of AI-generated music in Russia that’s being utilized? If you do ever hear and/or see anything along these lines, please let us know.

That doesn't make any sense, since the point of AI music is you can create it to your individual specifications (ie, in this case Gummenik's music wasn't cleared so Moskvina created AI music with the same accents, which he declined). It sounds like a rumor.

 

[MacMadame]

Catching up on threads. Samuelson/Bates did a Chicks OD in 2010. And it was awesome.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

Okay, so those are twizzles that "don't move at all." I mean, they seriously looked like spins because they were done in place.

Until the lawsuits start happening for copyright infringement which is inevitably going to happen with AI music.

You can't copyright AI music so there will never be rights issues with it.

If courts decide that Generative AI violates copyrights, that would be different but I don't think they will. That is because, if implemented correctly, Generative AI doesn't copy the music from its source and store it locally to refer to. Instead, it "listens" to it and stores notations about it.

It's basically the same as you listening to a bunch of songs and making notes about them as you are listening. Of course, computers do this a million times faster than we do and they can read their "notes" (mathematical notations) much faster too.

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

Okay, so those are twizzles that "don't move at all." I mean, they seriously looked like spins because they were done in place.


You can't copyright AI music so there will never be rights issues with it.

If courts decide that Generative AI violates copyrights, that would be different but I don't think they will. That is because, if implemented correctly, Generative AI doesn't copy the music from its source and store it locally to refer to. Instead, it "listens" to it and stores notations about it.

It's basically the same as you listening to a bunch of songs and making notes about them as you are listening. Of course, computers do this a million times faster than we do and they can read their "notes" (mathematical notations) much faster too.

There's a big lawsuit going for authors because AI used thousands of books to "train" itself without permission from the authors and publishers. The same could happen with music.

 

[bladesofgorey]

There's a big lawsuit going for authors because AI used thousands of books to "train" itself without permission from the authors and publishers. The same could happen with music.

My sister's publisher reached out to her a while ago to let her know she's an eligible author so she joined the lawsuit. Her book was a highly technical (highly outdated!) guide that was recently scanned by LLMs, which you know- garbage in, garbage out. If they win she will only be awarded around $2,000.

 

[MacMadame]

There's a big lawsuit going for authors because AI used thousands of books to "train" itself without permission from the authors and publishers. The same could happen with music.

I don't think they will win. For the reasons I stated. It's not stealing to read a book and take notes.

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

I don't think they will win. For the reasons I stated. It's not stealing to read a book and take notes.

There's already been a $1.5 billion settlement in the case so the authors have already won although individually no one is going to get much.

 

[bladesofgorey]

I don't think they will win. For the reasons I stated. It's not stealing to read a book and take notes.

AI scraping isn't just like reading a book and taking notes. Come on now. (I unfortunately work with designing AI prompts as a small part of my job, and am familiar with different LLM models and how they've been trained).

 

[jmtfti]

I think the fact that the Mrazeks' AI-generated music lifted lyrics verbatim from "You Get What You Give" points to how substantially AI is really creating something new from what it's fed.

 

[MacMadame]

I think when it comes to AI, time will tell and no one is going to convince the other.

Anyway, when it comes to skaters working with musicians to get original music, I think people are forgetting that Cedric Tour, a former skater, now coach, choreographer and musician) already does this and often it's for athletes from smaller federations.

He also spells his name 'C é d r i c T o u r' on Instagram. Friends with B E N O I T, perhaps?

 

[Bunny Hop]

Apparently Murphy Brown will never be released on DVD or streamed because the music rights (the songs that Murphy would sing so badly) are either too expensive or impossible to license. Which is a huge loss IMO with how popular and influential that show was.

Yes, that's the most famous one. It's also true that some shows have different domestic and international versions and that's often due to music rights. It's less common now with global streaming, but there are still cases where music has to be replaced in some scenes to avoid paying excessive music licencing fees in other territories.

Territory is a big problem for clearing any sort of copyright as rights aren't necessarily international. It's why there are still some literary works that are in copyright in the USA but have long been out of copyright in the rest of the world.

 

[Hindernisse]

Karina Akopova and Nikita Rakhmanin had to change the tracks in their Olympic free skate to Slumdog Millionaire to remixes, because of music rights. Only remixes were available in ClickNClear.

For their short, the composer Ara Gevorkian gave his explicit consent for Artsakh and was actively sharing their performance on his social media. Karina gave a shout-out to him to Jordan's camera while going off the ice.

 

[MsZem]

There's a big lawsuit going for authors because AI used thousands of books to "train" itself without permission from the authors and publishers. The same could happen with music.

One can only hope

I don't think they will win. For the reasons I stated. It's not stealing to read a book and take notes.

AI scraping isn't just like reading a book and taking notes. Come on now. (I unfortunately work with designing AI prompts as a small part of my job, and am familiar with different LLM models and how they've been trained).

To quote one of my favorite romance novelists (KJ Charles):

Any use of this publication to “train” generative artificial intelligence (AI) technologies to generate text is expressly prohibited. The author reserves all rights to license uses of this work for generative AI training and development of machine learning language models. The author will not license AI companies this right. The author has already had more than 25 novels scraped without payment by AI companies. The author would like AI companies to **** off.

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

While not directly related to the rights issue, I was listening to a CBC bit on Canadian indie music circa 2000-2010 being hot again, partially due to Heated Rivalry. Apparently despite hitting #1 on Spotify, Wolf Parade have earned all of about $600 in royalties from "I'll Believe in Anything" being massively streamed in the last couple of months. In the streaming era, "exposure" doesn't necessarily help artists earn a living so that's something to be considered when comes to licensing music for skating and other sports.

 

[tony]

He also spells his name 'C é d r i c T o u r' on Instagram. Friends with B E N O I T, perhaps?

Is that a serious question? They work together

Anyways, before and even with Cedric, there is Maxime Rodriguez of D'Artagnan and Angel & Devil fame, and I think he was like 19 or 20 when he got involved in composing music for skaters.

 

[MacMadame]

Is that a serious question? They work together

But are they F R I E N D S?

No, it wasn't a serious question. I thought it was funny and was imagining them sitting around at the bar during some competition and coming up with it while tipsy.

 

[Sylvia]

Re-posting here from the Women's FS PBP thread:

Aw, I loved that Nicole Scherzinger gave a shout out to Sofia Samodelkina for skating to Sunset Blvd. [...] it's nice to see artists appreciating skaters' use of their music
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DU9ltSmEeWq/?igsh=eTNrNnFzamVicWUw

 

[Karen-W]

Jimmy Webb, the songwriter who composed "MacArthur Park" posted a congratulations to Alysa!

Alysa Liu’s energy and youth breathes yet another life into my song “MacArthur Park”. I am unbelievably proud to play some small role in her inspiration . I am so impressed with her demeanor, she makes America proud again. Congratulations on your gold medal, Alysa!#Olympics2026

https://twitter.com/x/status/2024955597876273623

 

[Bunny Hop]

Oh the irony that the embedded post above shows to me as 'This media has been disabled in response to a report by the copyright owner'.

 

[Karen-W]

Oh the irony that the embedded post above shows to me as 'This media has been disabled in response to a report by the copyright owner'.

Yes, the IOC & their broadcast partners have been all over X with the copyright violations for the whole Olympics. Webb's IG post with the se congratulations did not have the media stripped from it - the video was from the 2nd minute-ish of Alysa's FS, starting with her first spin & going to right before the tempo picks up.

 

[tony]

I was suspended from Instagram for 3 days during the Games because of a practice video that was my own. I appealed it and it was an automatic denial and no way to take it further. Some of the other videos I’ve put up also get instant removals (FB/C RD, L/B RD among others) but most of them seem okay.

I noticed all these influencers tack on their face speaking over the video in the corner of the screen and it mostly seems to save them from being taken down.

 

[text_skate]

I noticed all these influencers tack on their face speaking over the video in the corner of the screen and it mostly seems to save them from being taken down.

The moment you comment, you create something new, which is mostly protected by copyright. That's the reason, why commentators are told by their networks to comment during the program with a point of view, so that they can put it up online.

 

[tony]

The moment you comment, you create something new, which is mostly protected by copyright. That's the reason, why commentators are told by their networks to comment during the program with a point of view, so that they can put it up online.

Just to be clear, this is not 100% always the case because of AI technology scoping everything out to begin with. We talked over a lot of videos on YouTube and still got copyright that blocked them even if they were 5 seconds long.

 

[Rukia]

Just to be clear, this is not 100% always the case because of AI technology scoping everything out to begin with. We talked over a lot of videos on YouTube and still got copyright that blocked them even if they were 5 seconds long.

Yep it's a huge problem that the copyright technology people use is extremely overzealous and make it extremely tough for creators. Even for video game speedrunning marathons there are many games where we have to get them to test the youtube vids privately to see if it's going to get a strike randomly.