Gymnastics News #23: Defying Gravity

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jlai said:
Now I'm confused
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Maybe you have someone on ignore?

There was a tiebreak procedure that gave Szekely the spot initially when neither of them were qualified to their event finals. Once Backsay was moved up (erroneously or because of lazy rule wording.. ISU similar), she was in an event final and she leapfrogged over her teammate for the HUN spot.
 
tony said:
Maybe you have someone on ignore?

There was a tiebreak procedure that gave Szekely the spot initially when neither of them were qualified to their event finals. Once Backsay was moved up (erroneously or because of lazy rule wording.. ISU similar), she was in an event final and she leapfrogged over her teammate for the HUN spot.
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I do get that part...I just don't understand the rule that allows this. The snippets on social media are not clear
 
jlai said:
I do get that part...I just don't understand the rule that allows this. The snippets on social media are not clear
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The issue was that Wong was not on the vault reserve list because of two per country rule. Once Roberson withdrew Wong was eligible to be a reserve and she was ranked ahead of Bacskay. But FIG informed Bacskay that she was in the final after a second spot opened up (Black had been first reserve and had already bee upgraded to the final). USAG protested and they allowed both athletes to compete in the final. If Wong had been ranked above Black she would have been added after Roberson withdrew. The way the rule is written is confusing as Wong was replacing Gadirova and that point, not Roberson her country mate.
 
With the spots, there's a rule that one country can only earn 3 individual spots. Hungary earned a non-nominative spot for their finish in the team qualifications and Czifra earned a nominative spot for qualifying to the AA finals. That meant that only one more Hungarian gymnast could qualify a spot, which is how this problem arises. It is a very unusual situation.

I do think it's a bit weird to give the spot to Backskay because she qualified for the final on a mistake. That being said, I'm not sure why the FIG would publish who earned spots in the first place if people getting into the finals based after withdrawals could affect it.

If it were worlds, FIG could give them both spots, but the FIG doesn't really have latitude to invite an extra athlete to the Olympics. They'd have to take a spot away somewhere else to do that.
 
danafan said:
The issue was that Wong was not on the vault reserve list because of two per country rule. Once Roberson withdrew Wong was eligible to be a reserve and she was ranked ahead of Bacskay. But FIG informed Bacskay that she was in the final after a second spot opened up (Black had been first reserve and had already bee upgraded to the final). USAG protested and they allowed both athletes to compete in the final. If Wong had been ranked above Black she would have been added after Roberson withdrew. The way the rule is written is confusing as Wong was replacing Gadirova and that point, not Roberson her country mate.
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Theatregirl1122 said:
With the spots, there's a rule that one country can only earn 3 individual spots. Hungary earned a non-nominative spot for their finish in the team qualifications and Czifra earned a nominative spot for qualifying to the AA finals. That meant that only one more Hungarian gymnast could qualify a spot, which is how this problem arises. It is a very unusual situation.

I do think it's a bit weird to give the spot to Backskay because she qualified for the final on a mistake. That being said, I'm not sure why the FIG would publish who earned spots in the first place if people getting into the finals based after withdrawals could affect it.

If it were worlds, FIG could give them both spots, but the FIG doesn't really have latitude to invite an extra athlete to the Olympics. They'd have to take a spot away somewhere else to do that.
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Thank you for the explanation. That made everything clear.

It’s kind of funny how this situation hadn’t arisen before with this whole nominative spot issue before this Worlds. You would have thought that with the two-per-country rule for EF being around forever, the FIG would have had clear and easy to understand rules about this established, especially with the whole spots situation for countries earning non-nominative and individual spots for the Olympics.
 
Theatregirl1122 said:
With the spots, there's a rule that one country can only earn 3 individual spots. Hungary earned a non-nominative spot for their finish in the team qualifications and Czifra earned a nominative spot for qualifying to the AA finals. That meant that only one more Hungarian gymnast could qualify a spot, which is how this problem arises. It is a very unusual situation.

I do think it's a bit weird to give the spot to Backskay because she qualified for the final on a mistake. That being said, I'm not sure why the FIG would publish who earned spots in the first place if people getting into the finals based after withdrawals could affect it.

If it were worlds, FIG could give them both spots, but the FIG doesn't really have latitude to invite an extra athlete to the Olympics. They'd have to take a spot away somewhere else to do that.
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Thanks for the clarification. I'm not familiar with these rules. What is a non-nominative spot vs nominative? Is it like the situation where Jade Carey got to go to 2020 Olympics regardless of the Olympic trial because she had the nominative spot? Does it mean US can send a team of five for the team in addition to athletes earning individual spots?

Where does Zoja Sczekely fit in the scheme of these spots? I don't see her name in the published list at https://twitter.com/AllThingsGymPod/status/1711056651384492266/photo/1.
 
jlai said:
Thanks for the clarification. I'm not familiar with these rules. What is a non-nominative spot vs nominative? Is it like the situation where Jade Carey got to go to 2020 Olympics regardless of the Olympic trial because she had the nominative spot? Does it mean US can send a team of five for the team in addition to athletes earning individual spots?

Where does Zoja Sczekely fit in the scheme of these spots? I don't see her name in the published list at https://twitter.com/AllThingsGymPod/status/1711056651384492266/photo/1.
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A nominative spot is a spot assigned to a specific athlete, like Jade Carey in 2021. It belongs to the athlete, not the country, and if that athlete cannot use it, the spot is assigned to another athlete, most likely from another country. A non-nominative spot is a spot that goes to a country and they can assign whoever they want (like the one that was given to Mykayla Skinner in 2021).

For 2024, the gymnastics qualifications has returned to the way it was before 2020. Countries who earn full teams can send 5 athletes. Countries who do not earn full teams can earn individual athlete spots. If a country earns a full team, they have maxed out their spots and cannot earn any other spots. A country with a full team will earn 5 spots. Countries that do not earn a full team can earn up to 3 spots, but no more.

So no, unlike in 2021, there will not be both teams and individuals from the same country.
 
airgelaal said:
That's right, since she didn't get a spot.
If there were no mistakes, then Ahtziri Sandoval would have received a spot on the vault, and Zoja Sczekely on the uneven bars.
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Didn't Sandoval get a spot in the uneven bars? Could she have gotten both?
also, when two athletes from the same country are the first eligible who hasn't qualified, what is the tiebreak that decides which gets the individual spot? Backskay was an alternate in the final...I guess there is some rule that said she is skipped in favor of Zoja (if the mistake hadn't occurred?)

Theatregirl1122 said:
A nominative spot is a spot assigned to a specific athlete, like Jade Carey in 2021. It belongs to the athlete, not the country, and if that athlete cannot use it, the spot is assigned to another athlete, most likely from another country. A non-nominative spot is a spot that goes to a country and they can assign whoever they want (like the one that was given to Mykayla Skinner in 2021).

For 2024, the gymnastics qualifications has returned to the way it was before 2020. Countries who earn full teams can send 5 athletes. Countries who do not earn full teams can earn individual athlete spots. If a country earns a full team, they have maxed out their spots and cannot earn any other spots. A country with a full team will earn 5 spots. Countries that do not earn a full team can earn up to 3 spots, but no more.

So no, unlike in 2021, there will not be both teams and individuals from the same country.
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Thanks! That part is clearer now
 
jlai said:
Didn't Sandoval get a spot in the uneven bars? Could she have gotten both?
also, when two athletes from the same country are the first eligible who hasn't qualified, what is the tiebreak that decides which gets the individual spot? Backskay was an alternate in the final...I guess there is some rule that said she is skipped in favor of Zoja (if the mistake hadn't occurred?)
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Both Csenge and Zoja were eligible to receive a spot, but only 1 spot was available for Hungary. Since both did not make it to the finals, Zoja received the spot, since her scores were higher. But when Csenge made it to the finals, it was she who took the spot. Sandoval received a spot on uneven bars, since Zoja was no longer eligible for it.
 
jlai said:
Didn't Sandoval get a spot in the uneven bars? Could she have gotten both?
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Initially Zoja Sczekely received the spot on the uneven bars. Once Backskay was given a spot in the vault final, Sczekely couldn't receive the spot on Bars any more so it went to Sandoval.
 
Thanks for claring all that up! I have to pull up all the qualification results to make sense of this. :Yikes:
 
It’s some kind of incredible coincidence that it was Sandoval who could get a spot both on the vault and on the uneven bars.
 
Such hullabaloo about this bullshit. It was an incorrect substitution.

It really should be that simple. We told you to warm up vault--realized it was a mistake and still gave you the spot because it's ****ed up to pull someone. We're gonna give you a vault final spot because we ****ed up but we're not going to give you an accidental Olympic spot. That's stupid.
 
honey said:
I’m somewhat amused by the way Simone is wearing her medal stand jacket. The front is folded over just so to cover up the Nike symbol. I noticed before the AA medals that Cecile was fixing the jacket very carefully on her. It was less so covered up for the vault medals, but we’re back to it being almost fully covered again now. Feels very Michael Jordan covering the Reebok symbol with the flag in 92. :lol:

I’m sure it’s within the contracts that she is allowed to wear Nike for national team clothing, but she clearly ain’t giving them the advertising if she can help it ;)
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She pretty clearly left Nike for Athleta because of their corporate policies for females and athletes, so good for her!
 
KHOI DID IT AGAIN! What a fabulous young talent for Team USA! Those vaults were absolutely awesome and I'm SO happy that he won that silver medal! I was also really happy for the GB guy who won the vault gold and the German guy who won the PB gold medal. They were so great. I'm bummed that Yul's PB routine didn't go the way it did in the team final because he was SO good there and could have gotten a medal today. Paul Juda was also awesome today even though he didn't get any individual medals. I really think the US men are in great shape as they head into Paris. Congrats guys!! :cheer:

So happy for Simone to win beam and FX gold (what an amazing beam set!) and I am very happy for Rebeca and Flavia as well. This was such a fun Worlds overall and I'm kind of sad that it's all over now. It was fun to have all the events to watch and follow all week and Team USA had SUCH a great showing this week. SO proud of them! I think there's gonna be some really fun battles for all the medals in Paris next summer! :cheer2:
 
Is there a compilation somewhere that shows all the extra spots earned? I am interested in the German spots. Pauline and Sarah have spots that belong to them. But is there a third spot that can be used by any German? I hope that there is still a place for Seitz when she is healthy again.
 
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rhapsody said:
Such hullabaloo about this bullshit. It was an incorrect substitution.

It really should be that simple. We told you to warm up vault--realized it was a mistake and still gave you the spot because it's ****ed up to pull someone. We're gonna give you a vault final spot because we ****ed up but we're not going to give you an accidental Olympic spot. That's stupid.
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"Such hullabaloo about this bullshit..."

For so many sports admin referee mistakes: Yes. I wave my cowboy hat in support.
 
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