Russian Figure Skater tests positive for drugs - delays ceremony for team medals

[overedge]

I used to enjoy them but the more we learn about the ugliness and toxic nature of Russian skating, the harder it is to watch them.

Not to mention the terrible programs they are forced to perform.

 

[Lanie]

I've had conversations with many different skaters. Everyone f*cking knows Russia was doping, it was a topic of conversation. Everyone. Knew. And nobody did anything or cared, because they never got caught--and look, when they do get caught, see what happens? They get away with it and cause much drama, where in most other sports, if I'm wrong someone tell me, they'd be DNQ and voila sorted.

 

[caseyedwards]

Are you just totally ignorant? RUSSIAN girl/ women skaters won BOTH the 2018 and 2022 Olympics, and the RUSSIAN women's gymnastics team won the 2021 Olympics. STOP with the lunacy already. Thank you!

Are you just totally ignorant? RUSSIAN girl/ women skaters won BOTH the 2018 and 2022 Olympics, and the RUSSIAN women's gymnastics team won the 2021 Olympics. STOP with the lunacy already. Thank you!

Russia gets no credit for those. None. Zip.

 

[overedge]

Russia gets no credit for those. None. Zip.

What in the blue hell are you talking about? They competed under the banner of the Russian Olympic Committee. Key word being "RUSSIAN".

 

[ChelleC]

Russia gets no credit for those. None. Zip.

Olympic Athletes from Russia and Russian Olympic Committee.

Both sound pretty Russian to me.

 

[Vagabond]

Not to mention the terrible programs they are forced to perform.

"They have no other way to earn a living. It's not like in the West, where skaters can choose to perform wonderful programs or to go to med school."

 

[On My Own]

Kamila Valieva - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There's a stage play lol

 

[VGThuy]

Kamila Valieva - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There's a stage play lol

I bet they were inspired by that performance Valieva gave at the 2022 Olympics…when she pulled that hoodie over her head as she walked past the media zone, which she later re-enacted for the sympathetic audiences at the Russian Test Skates a few months later. It was all “amusing”.

 

[caseyedwards]

What in the blue hell are you talking about? They competed under the banner of the Russian Olympic Committee. Key word being "RUSSIAN".

That’s not Russia.

 

[caseyedwards]

Olympic Athletes from Russia and Russian Olympic Committee.

Both sound pretty Russian to me.

Look at ioc records. None of those count for Russia

 

[On My Own]

I bet they were inspired by that performance Valieva gave at the 2022 Olympics…when she pulled that hoodie over her head as she walked past the media zone, which she later re-enacted for the sympathetic audiences at the Russian Test Skates a few months later. It was all “amusing”.

She didn't inspire them to look at her protocols though, she never did a 4Lo.

 

[On My Own]

That’s not Russia.

Look at ioc records. None of those count for Russia

How about this:

Nobody cares.

 

[caseyedwards]

How about this:

Nobody cares.

Because if you hate all Russians you never want to see them and no punishment is enough except total exclusion forever

 

[On My Own]

Because if you hate all Russians you never want to see them and no punishment is enough except total exclusion forever

Nobody cares.

 

[VGThuy]

She didn't inspire them to look at her protocols though, she never did a 4Lo.

Creative license.

 

[On My Own]

Creative license.

Like the judges used to take with her scores, I guess. Postmodern art!

 

[VGThuy]

Because if you hate all Russians you never want to see them and no punishment is enough except total exclusion forever

Even if that was true, they’ll be okay competing for domestic platinum medals. Next year will be the 14th anniversary of the first time one was awarded to a Russian skater.

 

[Coco]

Is it ironic that this whole issue is an issue because of a) the Team Event and b) Russia's somewhat petty choice to not substitute pairs and ladies, therefore spreading the wealth to deserving skaters?

I know someone here on FSU will be able to give the English major or English teacher's response as to whether or not this is actually irony or just Alanis Morrissette Irony.

For you young'uns, the Team Event exists because Russia wanted it for the Sochi Games since they were heavy favorites to win it.

 

[skatingguy]

For you young'uns, the Team Event exists because Russia wanted it for the Sochi Games since they were heavy favorites to win it.

I'm not sure that was true when the team event was created.

 

[Lanie]

I am getting into it with Russian apologists on some skating Facebook page make me stop make it stop they are insane help why did I even comment and it was fairly innocuous

I am a racist xenophobe, y'all heard it here first

 

[Orm Irian]

I know someone here on FSU will be able to give the English major or English teacher's response as to whether or not this is actually irony or just Alanis Morrissette Irony.

If it was the plot of a novel the editor would tell the author that it was a touch on the nose and they should adjust their timeline just a smidge to make the dramatic irony a bit less heavy-handed.

Or in other words, it's actual irony: in trying to make sure that Little Miss Predestined To Win Everything actually won everything, they ensured she won nothing.

Alanis Morrissette Irony would be if she'd been skating to The Winner Takes It All during the Olympic season.?

 

[ChelleC]

If being anti-Russian is wrong, I don't want to be right.

 

[skatingguy]

If being anti-Russian is wrong, I don't want to be right.

I don't want to be anti-Russian - I don't think that's productive. I want to be anti- the current Russian regime, and anti-doping no matter the nationality, and unfortunately those two things converge in Russia at this moment.

 

[Ananas Astra]

If being anti-Russian is wrong, I don't want to be right.

Being "anti-[insert nation]" is not something one should be proud of as history has shown us time and again.

Replace "Russian" with any other nationality and it would suddenly look quite racist.

 

[PRlady]

Being "anti-[insert nation]" is not something one should be proud of as history has shown us time and again.

Replace "Russian" with any other nationality and it would suddenly look quite racist.

Nah. Being anti-Germany 80 years ago was a moral response. Being anti-American during the Vietnam war, anti-Soviet Union in 1956 and 1968 (especially) likewise.

Being anti-Russia now is the correct moral response to their values and behavior. And since being Russian has nothing to do with race, and most anti-Russian countries are majority white, there’s no racism involved here at all.

 

[On My Own]

Being anti-Russian now is the correct moral response to their values and behavior.

All Russians?

Russians outside Russia who are against Putin?

Russians who are against Putin in Russia?

Being anti-Germany 80 years ago was a moral response.

But not anti-German?

Being anti-American during the Vietnam war,

Yes, as the whole world was at the time, as we all know, and during all the plethora of other things the US has done which can cause this sentiment to be justifiable.

And as we know from this and the other thread on Russians in this sport, most Americans don't resist anti-Americanism and never justify their country's actions, especially the "well meaning" ones, and it's never called whataboutism when it's brought up, and while no one can ever know or guess why the US has never been brought to justice for these things, if they were, they'd definitely not resist it.

And since being Russian has nothing to do with race, and most anti-Russian countries are majority white, there’s no racism involved here at all.

Does the American view of race juxtapose well to East Europe?

No one in Russia is non-"white"? What about being anti-these Russians? Is that racist?

 

[PRlady]

The Russian power structure is overwhelmingly white. Even people who only read a skating board can cite many instances of overt Russian racism towards people of color. They do say the quiet part out loud…

There’s not much difference except semantically between being anti-Russia and anti-Russian these days, and of course no one says it is all-inclusive except those looking to pick silly fights.

 

[rfisher]

Nah. Being anti-Germany 80 years ago was a moral response. Being anti-American during the Vietnam war, anti-Soviet Union in 1956 and 1968 (especially) likewise.

Being anti-Russian now is the correct moral response to their values and behavior. .

Really? That type of moral response led to Japanese Americans having their property taken and put into concentration camps and German Americans being harrassed and murdered during WWII. A prosperous farming community in Arkansas founded by German and Czech families was essentially destroyed due to that anti-German moral response. A response that was covered up and then pretended didn't happen while farms were gobbled up by those with a correct moral response. There are well documented examples throughout history that indicate this type of response is a slippery slope.

 

[MacMadame]

I'm not sure that was true when the team event was created.

It was part of how that event came to be but not the whole reason.

 

[VGThuy]

Yes, we should never be anti-actual individuals and people. We can be anti-ideas and policies, regimes, and people’s behaviors (both active and supportive) that put such ideas into action, or even masses of people for actively expressing those ideas.

But we shouldn’t support just blind animosity towards people just based on their identities they can’t help being. That said, it’s okay to explore punishments that will affect a whole community if the community is so intertwined with the regimes that they can’t be separated but provide individuals opportunities to show opposition to and disagreement with those ideas of the regime.