The Heir, The Spare and the “Baby Brain” -The Prince Harry and Meghan show rumbles on…

[becca]

Do I have to say they aren't related by blood? Do you not understand the difference? Yes, they are related to Camilla but her children were born before she married Charles. Therefore they are not now magically related to Charles or any other member of the Windsors, Wales, Cambridges, etc. Sheesh!

Their Grandmother is being crowned Queen they are related to her and she is a member of the royal family.

Given that their grandmother is being crowned queen I don’t have an issue with them having a role.

When Kate is crowned Queen I won’t have an issue with her sister or brother having a role.

Harry and Williams kids are part of the line of succession and prince and Princess Camilla’s grand kids aren’t.

But it’s mean to say that her teenage grand kids cannot have a small role in the ceremony.

To compare not wanting toddlers to have a role versus Teenagers.

I have no doubt that William is going to end up being far closer to James and Pippas kids than Harry’s. As will his kids.

Now there is talk of George the direct heir to the throne having a greater role but also talk that his parents are concerned about it being to much pressure for their son.

However it also depends on the traditions to and how the British public feels. But I don’t disagree on principle of teenagers being invited to events toddlers aren’t

 

[taf2002]

Did I say I didn't want Camilla's grandkids to have a role? I don't remember saying that exactly. And even if I did would that be mean? Am I entitled to have an opinion? Also I didn't say or even imply that I want toddlers to have a role. I said I think H&M's children belong on the family balcony after the coronation. I'll bet Camilla's entire family will be there & Charles' own son & DLI & grandchildren won't be. I think that's very petty & I suspect who that comes from.

 

[ballettmaus]

Did I say I didn't want Camilla's grandkids to have a role? I don't remember saying that exactly. And even if I did would that be mean? Am I entitled to have an opinion? Also I didn't say or even imply that I want toddlers to have a role. I said I think H&M's children belong on the family balcony after the coronation. I'll bet Camilla's entire family will be there & Charles' own son & DLI & grandchildren won't be. I think that's very petty & I suspect who that comes from.

I agree, if Camilla's grandkids are permitted on the balcony, Lili and Archie should be permitted to be there, too. That said, how long are Harry and Meghan going to stay? I wouldn't want to take my kids on an overseas flight just for a couple of days and a balcony appearance if I don't have to. Sure, they fly more comfortably than most of us, still, flights are no fun for small kids, they're long, boring and exhausting and they have an extra 3 hours because they're coming from the West coast.

 

[airgelaal]

Kamila's youngest grandson is 13 years old. Harry's oldest son is not even 4 years old.
But who cares about age, as the most important thing is 5 minutes of glory on the balcony

 

[ballettmaus]

Kamila's youngest grandson is 13 years old. Harry's oldest son is not even 4 years old.
But who cares about age, as the most important thing is 5 minutes of glory on the balcony

Kate's and William's kids were on the balcony from a young age on as well and even if they hadn't been, it would not be right to exclude one family from the balcony if the other is not excluded. However, I must admit that I have no idea what the exact facts about the balcony discussion are, so I don't know if H&M/the kids aren't/wouldn't be permitted to be on the balcony while the others are or if they just aren't going to be there.

 

[MacMadame]

Kate's and William's kids were on the balcony from a young age on as well and even if they hadn't been, it would not be right to exclude one family from the balcony if the other is not excluded. However, I must admit that I have no idea what the exact facts about the balcony discussion are, so I don't know if H&M/the kids aren't/wouldn't be permitted to be on the balcony while the others are or if they just aren't going to be there.

Isn't it all rumor at this point?

 

[ballettmaus]

Isn't it all rumor at this point?

It's why I've taken up the habit of scrolling past the articles and only know what the headlines say.

 

[miffy]

I haven’t seen anything suggesting Camilla’s grandkids are going to be on the balcony, just that they will assist her in the ceremony. It’s not like a wedding where they include all the bridesmaids on the balcony (which has included the grandkids before).

From most sources the word seems to be that the balcony will be working royals only. Which will obviously exclude Andrew and the York girls as well as the Sussex family.

 

[canbelto]

Did I say I didn't want Camilla's grandkids to have a role? I don't remember saying that exactly. And even if I did would that be mean? Am I entitled to have an opinion? Also I didn't say or even imply that I want toddlers to have a role. I said I think H&M's children belong on the family balcony after the coronation. I'll bet Camilla's entire family will be there & Charles' own son & DLI & grandchildren won't be. I think that's very petty & I suspect who that comes from.

You said this, which seemed to imply you're offended at them even being invited to the coronation:

I find it despicable that Harry's children aren't invited to the coronation but Camilla's grandchildren are. Archie & Lili are Charles' actual grandchildren & Camilla's family aren't related in any way to anyone in the family. Whatever issue Charles has with Harry should not affect his relation with his grandchildren.

 

[becca]

Kate's and William's kids were on the balcony from a young age on as well and even if they hadn't been, it would not be right to exclude one family from the balcony if the other is not excluded. However, I must admit that I have no idea what the exact facts about the balcony discussion are, so I don't know if H&M/the kids aren't/wouldn't be permitted to be on the balcony while the others are or if they just aren't going to be there.

The balcony rule change is very recent. Only working members of the royal family and their children. This was decided at the Queens Jubilee.

I am also going to say this Kate and Williams kids are of a different status. Just as William and Harry are in a different status than Andrew, Edward, and Anne’s kids.

The Wales kids are children of the heir. Prince George is THE HEIR.

They are going to be highlighted because they are the main royal family.

Their Dad will be King, their brother will be King.

It’s a different situation.

There are benefits to not being the kid of the heir and drawbacks. Personally I think the way Anne raised her kids you are not the same as your cousins and look are lucky you don’t have that royal spotlight is the way to go.

 

[taf2002]

You said this, which seemed to imply you're offended at them even being invited to the coronation:

No, I'm offended they are invited but Archie & Lili aren't. Which I'm entitled to feel this way even if you aren't. That's the way this board works.

 

[becca]

No, I'm offended they are invited but Archie & Lili aren't. Which I'm entitled to feel this way even if you aren't. That's the way this board works.

If Archie and Lillibet were the same age as Camilla’s grand kids I would agree with you but I don’t think coronations are places for toddlers. Charles was at his moms but he had already been at some events and he was the heir.

I think Louis may be to young but he is also five and is use to some royal events.

Charles is entitled to a toddler free coronation.

I don’t that is a good place for Archie and Lilys first royal event imagine the criticisms Louis got at the Jubilee and that was a fun event.

It’s completely unfair to compare the treatment of toddlers versus teenagers. Teenagers get more privileges for a reason.

Honestly I could see the argument for letting them on the balcony but I think Charles working royals rule may be to exclude Andrew too.

Camilla’s grandkids don’t deserve to be brought into this although I agree they shouldn’t be in the balcony if Harry and his family aren’t.

 

[becca]

King Charles names Prince Louis next in line to throne in William and Harry snub

The youngest of the Prince of Wales' children will now succeed King Charles III in an unexpected move

www.mylondon.news

He is tired of the William and Harry fighting lol

 

[DFJ]

Where's the statement? This seems ridiculous.

 

[tony]

People... the day. ?

 

[DFJ]

People... the day. ?

I'm an idiot. Just remembered the date. God Doreen, wake up!!

 

[canbelto]

There are actually photos of Charles looking bored and fidgety at his mother's coronation. It's actually a rather tedious event. Toddlers will get very cranky very quickly.

 

[becca]

There are actually photos of Charles looking bored and fidgety at his mother's coronation. It's actually a rather tedious event. Toddlers will get very cranky very quickly.

Well yes but he only went because he was the HEIR.

Princess Anne was 3 and did not go

I really do think they would be invited if they were older.

 

[Parsley Sage]

I think Charles attended his mother's Coronation for about 10 minutes to see her crowned.

I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happens with Louis. Might depend on how the seating is set up at the Abbey.

 

[Winnipeg]

Why in the world would anyone want to take a toddler to an adult ceremony. It will be taped, they can watch it when they are older.

 

[canbelto]

I feel the same way about toddlers taken to weddings. I've seen many toddlers get very cranky and fussy at weddings and it's a miserable time for everyone.

 

[becca]

I feel the same way about toddlers taken to weddings. I've seen many toddlers get very cranky and fussy at weddings and it's a miserable time for everyone.

And it’s not just that the kids every move will be scrutinized and they will be labeled bad kids. Something like the Jubilee is one thing since it’s not a formal event and even that seems like a lot for Louis

 

[MacMadame]

I feel the same way about toddlers taken to weddings. I've seen many toddlers get very cranky and fussy at weddings and it's a miserable time for everyone.

OTOH, I went to a wedding where a pre-schooler gasped in awe when the bride came down the aisle and said "She's a princess!" The bride loved it and so did the rest of us.

Kids can enhance any event they attend or degrade it. It just depends on the kids and how the event is set up.

 

[once_upon]

I feel the same way about toddlers taken to weddings. I've seen many toddlers get very cranky and fussy at weddings and it's a miserable time for everyone.

I think the length of the event is one of the important factors in how a younger child tolerates the event. That and what role they play.

Frankly, even us 70 year olds will become cranky and possibly misbehave at an event that is lasting more than three hours in length. How many of us are watching skating when we are supposed to be participating in a work meeting, or a soccer or football game, or playing candy crush? Government proceedings, including a coronation are exceeding long

Probably the only one(s) focused on an event that drones on for hours will be Charles and maybe Camilla. I suspect they will be bored too.

I know I would find it heartwarming, if in the middle of all the pomp and circumstances, there would be an hour where we see King Charles sitting on the floor with grandchildren playing Legos or a science project focused on climate studies (isnt that going to be a focus for his reign?). That would be a way to include the grandchildren, give permission for the kids to be kids, show how he expects Royals to be more approachable and display one of his focuses during his reign?

A pomp and circumstance event that drones on for hours/days/ a week or more is ridiculous to expect children and adults to stay focused

 

[becca]

I think the length of the event is one of the important factors in how a younger child tolerates the event. That and what role they play.

Frankly, even us 70 year olds will become cranky and possibly misbehave at an event that is lasting more than three hours in length. How many of us are watching skating when we are supposed to be participating in a work meeting, or a soccer or football game, or playing candy crush? Government proceedings, including a coronation are exceeding long

Probably the only one(s) focused on an event that drones on for hours will be Charles and maybe Camilla. I suspect they will be bored too.

I know I would find it heartwarming, if in the middle of all the pomp and circumstances, there would be an hour where we see King Charles sitting on the floor with grandchildren playing Legos or a science project focused on climate studies (isnt that going to be a focus for his reign?). That would be a way to include the grandchildren, give permission for the kids to be kids, show how he expects Royals to be more approachable and display one of his focuses during his reign?

A pomp and circumstance event that drones on for hours/days/ a week or more is ridiculous to expect children and adults to stay focused

I strongly disagree here. There is a time and place for everything and that includes pomp and circumstance.

The monarchy is about pomp circumstance and glamour. This is the coronation of a Head of State and it represents over what 1k years of British tradition. Relatable is in some ways good but if you get rid of all glamour and what’s the point.

Even here in the US. Our inaugurations are major events with pomp and circumstance. We don’t have our future President sitting on the floor reading bed time stories and then getting sworn into office.

In both cases you have people making serious oaths and it’s a serious event.

This is not a family event this is a state event.

This in many ways has nothing to do with Archie and Lily because there parents chose not to be working members for of the royal family.


Given the Wales kids they are not likely to be working members themselves.

They are mainly related to the people it will affect. If they were older of course they should be invited but it’s not about them or Harry or Meghan.

To paraphrase Fergie your in or your out. You leave great but live your life and don’t complain about what your not invited to.

As for kids can liven things up he’s sometimes people like cute toddlers etc but not ever bride loves it I remember a friend getting upset about her niece acting up while practicing and saying it’s my wedding. (The little girl ended up fine)

I cannot imagine the criticism the kids would get if they did act up and the whole thing given they aren’t use to royal events could be scary

 

[once_upon]

I didn't even say anything about Lillibet or Archie. That ship has sailed for 99.99999% of you. I was talking developmental appropriate activities and a huge 10-14 hour or more day for children and teens. Plus week long stuff.

I'm not British so it's not my.money being thrown around. But if King Charles and Queen Camilla wanted to look less formal, reduce size of BRF I would think showing them as caring loving grandparents who are more approachable, being cognizant of developmentally appropriate activities of grandchildren would do that. Sometimes as a parent or grandparent you choose them over yourself. YMMV obviously

Sometimes you have to think beyond yourself too. I want a big celebration for a significant event in our lives. It's not going to happen because of.family issues - by my choice. I realize Charles can't do that. My event is not a world wide event. If it was I'd insist that everyone.at least be cordial. Charles can do that - hell.he went against Mummy's wishes using Queen not Queen Consort. Charles has the power to that. He is choosing not to.

Pomp and circumstance is ok, as long as it's not overdone. I say that about inauguration too.

 

[becca]

I didn't even say anything about Lillibet or Archie. That ship has sailed for 99.99999% of you. I was talking developmental appropriate activities and a huge 10-14 hour or more day for children and teens. Plus week long stuff.

I'm not British so it's not my.money being thrown around. But if King Charles and Queen Camilla wanted to look less formal, reduce size of BRF I would think showing them as caring loving grandparents who are more approachable, being cognizant of developmentally appropriate activities of grandchildren would do that. Sometimes as a parent or grandparent you choose them over yourself. YMMV obviously

Sometimes you have to think beyond yourself too. I want a big celebration for a significant event in our lives. It's not going to happen because of.family issues - by my choice. I realize Charles can't do that. My event is not a world wide event. If it was I'd insist that everyone.at least be cordial. Charles can do that - hell.he went against Mummy's wishes using Queen not Queen Consort. Charles has the power to that. He is choosing not to.

Pomp and circumstance is ok, as long as it's not overdone. I say that about inauguration too.

I have no doubt Charles and Camilla are going to have plenty of events that Involve children activities.

But not everything in life centers around children. This is about the promises Charles is making to the UK as a nation. The whole nation not just children.

It’s about UK history and what that means and the UK culture. No its
Not going to get watered down.

As for Queen consort typically the Kings wife was always called the Queen consort was just mentioned to distinguish

I think it’s pretty clear Charles is a loving grandfather. There is video of Louis running to sit on Charles lap as if was the most natural thing in the world at the Jubilee

But Louis was comfortable doing that due to the times Charles clearly spends with him without a camera in his face.

I do hope Archie and Lilibet can get time to know their grandfather. But Charles can do both give the British people the coronation they deserve and be a grandfather. A coronation is only a few hours of a time and I think it’s actually appropriate for kids to learn not every event is about them. There are times to be serious etc

Talk is Louis may not be there which makes sense

 

[ballettmaus]

Sometimes you have to think beyond yourself too. I want a big celebration for a significant event in our lives. It's not going to happen because of.family issues - by my choice. I realize Charles can't do that. My event is not a world wide event.

I'd love to know what Charles would do if he could truly do whatever he wanted, not just within the limits that come with the job/title but really, whatever he wanted. Would he opt for a huge ceremony or would he have like a 15 minute ceremony that includes what's necessary, take a picture, have a nice meal and be done with it?

 

[MLIS]

Charles has already reduced the plans for the coronation substantially. It is going to be 1/3 the length (one hour compared to his mother’s three hour ceremony), have 1/4 of the guests (2000 compared to his mother’s 8000), and have a less formal dress code (I have seen speculation that he will wear a military uniform, albeit with robe and crown; there’s also been talk that the women possibly won’t be wearing tiaras). But however much he may be a reformer, this is what he’s been raised for and waited for his whole life. The coronation to him is sacred and involves certain essential ceremonies. It’s how it’s been done for a thousand years and that means something to him. It’s not an event for small children, and that’s ok. Not everything has to be. There are other events planned throughout the weekend that are more family friendly, and I expect like the Platinum Jubilee we will see the whole family, including children, out and about at those events. At the Jubilee there was also a formal, traditional church service the younger children didn’t attend.

 

[becca]

Charles has already reduced the plans for the coronation substantially. It is going to be 1/3 the length (one hour compared to his mother’s three hour ceremony), have 1/4 of the guests (2000 compared to his mother’s 8000), and have a less formal dress code (I have seen speculation that he will wear a military uniform, albeit with robe and crown; there’s also been talk that the women possibly won’t be wearing tiaras). But however much he may be a reformer, this is what he’s been raised for and waited for his whole life. The coronation to him is sacred and involves certain essential ceremonies. It’s how it’s been done for a thousand years and that means something to him. It’s not an event for small children, and that’s ok. Not everything has to be. There are other events planned throughout the weekend that are more family friendly, and I expect like the Platinum Jubilee we will see the whole family, including children, out and about at those events. At the Jubilee there was also a formal, traditional church service the younger children didn’t attend.

Exactly. There are solemn moments in life and this is one of them. If the coronation isn’t a big deal what’s the point of having the monarchy?