Russian women news & updates, 2021-22 season

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Anna was artistic even 2-3 years ago (and I think she is listed now at 17 or 18?). I don't find Valieva that awkward but Maiia does Look like she needs some development.

When the judges mark, they don't think "for a 15 year old she is good; or if she was not this tall she will....." They have to only mark what they see. I am not saying she will always be like this. She will develop, but as of today she looks awkward. I thought she was slightly overmarked.

I didn't get to watch Mihara's performance, but if Mai skated clean (like at SC) she May have been marked too low.

Some 15 year olds look mature in their presentation for their age.
You're right about the judges judging what they see for sure!
I was just saying that tall skaters are often awkward-looking in the first years after they have their growth spurt. Carolina Kostner also comes to mind. Anna hasn't really grown in inches that much. Anyway, both Valieva and Maiia have a long way to go still, but they need time.
 
Valaiva > Tuk > Trusova ? > Kromykh/Shcherbakova/Kostornaya > Usacheva

Looks like Krmoykh will be Tuks biggest competitor for that spot.
It's too soon to tell and and it's a long time still to Russian nationals. I don't think any of these girls are gonna do badly in the Grand Prix season which means it will come down to nationals.

Liza is firing but we have to see if Anna alyona and Maya will fire this season. I don't think Dasha can make the Olympic team because she doesn't have an ultra jump.
 
Update after Italia

Kamila > Trusova ? > Shcherbakova > Tuktamsyehva > Kromykh > Alena > Usacheva

Alena is getting the benefit of the doubt that her triple axels will get more stable, so she might be on par with Tuk
Tuk stocks have plummeted after Sherbakova landed her quad.

NOTE: Never count Anna Out, she has the most fortitude and resiliency.

Wonder how Tuktamysheva will react to those scores ?, will her confidence plummet or she will persevere even further , she needs that quad toe ! La Tuk is probably LOSING SOME SLEEP Now
 
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Anna once again shows how clutch she is. I think this has possibly sealed the deal for her being on the Russian Olympic team. She has a quad, she has a steely mind of a competitor, she should go to the Olys.

I was happy that Maiia did well in her first SGP. She needs alot of work, but she's doing as well as she can so that's good to see.

Loena was the best SKATER to me. Glad to see her win the first GP medal for Belgium??? Is that even right? Loena posted that but I could have sworn that Alice Sue Claeys won a medal at Skate Canada somewhere around 1993ish. Or does Alice not count?
 
You're right about the judges judging what they see for sure!
I was just saying that tall skaters are often awkward-looking in the first years after they have their growth spurt. Carolina Kostner also comes to mind. Anna hasn't really grown in inches that much. Anyway, both Valieva and Maiia have a long way to go still, but they need time.
I am only commenting on what she is Today. I actually wrote that she could become a very elegant skater like Carolina in a few years. I never said she will always be awkward. So I don't understand why my comments are being taken the wrong way.

Valieva looks less awkward, though she too seems a bit frantic at times. She has more Polish (Autocorrect insists on changing to the capital P- I give up!).
 
Still think Tukt has a chance. Trusova may be more on the bubble than we think. She is really prone to nerves and Tukt so far has been a rock in the short program with a triple axel. I think if they are strategizing with team event and giving the girls as much as rest as possible they would still consider Liza.
 
Still think Tukt has a chance. Trusova may be more on the bubble than we think. She is really prone to nerves and Tukt so far has been a rock in the short program with a triple axel. I think if they are strategizing with team event and giving the girls as much as rest as possible they would still consider Liza.
once Anna lands the Lutz she will solidify as russian No.2, the 3rd spot is still in the running with Trusova in question and can she really land those 5 quads in test skates ? If Trusova wins NHK and lands at least 2 quads, she will still be ahead of Tuk
coz Tuks FS ceiling is between 153-54, that can be beatable by other girls like Rika, Kaori, Bradie, Wakaba and Liu

The Ranking as of Now

Kamila > Trusova > Shcherbakova > Tuk > Krmokyh > Kostornaya > Uscaheva.
 
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I am only commenting on what she is Today. I actually wrote that she could become a very elegant skater like Carolina in a few years. I never said she will always be awkward. So I don't understand why my comments are being taken the wrong way.
We're just discussing here, I'm not judging you in any way.
 
Trusova’s up next week at NHK! We’ll know more then. I really hope to see Sasha closer to her Test Skates form in mid-September. The Pyramid could shift yet again.
 
Still think Tukt has a chance. Trusova may be more on the bubble than we think. She is really prone to nerves and Tukt so far has been a rock in the short program with a triple axel. I think if they are strategizing with team event and giving the girls as much as rest as possible they would still consider Liza.
I cannot imagine after this weekend that Anna is not assured of her spot with Kamila. Yes, it will come down to Trusova and Tuk. I don't see Alyona or Maiia beating them unless they add more elements.
 
Loena was the best SKATER to me. Glad to see her win the first GP medal for Belgium??? Is that even right? Loena posted that but I could have sworn that Alice Sue Claeys won a medal at Skate Canada somewhere around 1993ish. Or does Alice not count?
Yes, Claeys was 2nd to Butyrskaya at 92 Skate Canada, but back then there was no series, just individual fall invitationals. The Grand Prix/Champions Series (still like that name better tbh) didn't begin until the 95-96 season.
 
It's looks more and more like the Grand Prix Final will be an all Russian Women event, like a prelude to Nationals.

Looks like Trusova, Shcherbakova, Tuktamysheva, Valieva and Khromykh are clear. The 6th spot will be a battle between Usacheva and Kostornaia. Only Hendrickx and You have a small chance to get that 6th spot.
 
It's looks more and more like the Grand Prix Final will be an all Russian Women event, like a prelude to Nationals.

Looks like Trusova, Shcherbakova, Tuktamysheva, Valieva and Khromykh are clear. The 6th spot will be a battle between Usacheva and Kostornaia. Only Hendrickx and You have a small chance to get that 6th spot.
Three way battle between Kosto, Hendricks and You. Each has a bronze so far.
 
It's looks more and more like the Grand Prix Final will be an all Russian Women event, like a prelude to Nationals.

Looks like Trusova, Shcherbakova, Tuktamysheva, Valieva and Khromykh are clear. The 6th spot will be a battle between Usacheva and Kostornaia. Only Hendrickx and You have a small chance to get that 6th spot.
I really really wish for Daria Usachyova to get that 3axel. I'm so disappointed it just hasn't happened for her.
 
Three way battle between Kosto, Hendricks and You. Each has a bronze so far.
No. Valieva, Shcherbakova, and Trusova already have wins. Tuktamysheva, Kromykh, and Usacheva have silver medals.

Valieva, Tuktamysheva, and Khromykh are all in Russia with Hendrickx. Loena would pretty much need to win there to be in the GPF picture, and that's not going to happen. One of the three Russians is going to finish 3rd or lower, but even if Loena sneaks in for a bronze again, a 4th place by any of those three women and they still pass her in the overall standings. Matsuike is the only 'maybe' that hasn't skated in an event yet but her two events are stacked.

The one big opening is going to be in France, where Kostornaia can win a potential silver and then make things competitive with the other Russian women who have a silver right now. Anyone else who ends up on the podium and they aren't going to be in the GPF race, even with a shock win. I know Mariah Bell is in the final two events, but with the field in Russia, I don't consider her in the race, either.

Japan has Trusova, Usacheva, You, Sakamoto, and Liu. You finishing 2nd over Usacheva could put her as a potential spoiler and she definitely is capable, but the field has a lot of potential spoilers. You is the only one who can shake things up, though.

It's quite possible that the Russian take up all six Final spots as well as the first alternate spot.
 
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No. Valieva, Shcherbakova, and Trusova already have wins. Tuktamysheva, Kromykh, and Usacheva have silver medals.

Valieva, Tuktamysheva, and Khromykh are all in Russia with Hendrickx. Loena would pretty much need to win there to be in the GPF picture, and that's not going to happen. One of the three Russians is going to finish 3rd or lower, but even if Loena sneaks in for a bronze again, a 4th place by any of those three women and they still pass her in the overall standings. Matsuike is the only 'maybe' that hasn't skated in an event yet but her two events are stacked.

The one big opening is going to be in France, where Kostornaia can win a potential silver and then make things competitive with the other Russian women who have a silver right now. Anyone else who ends up on the podium and they aren't going to be in the GPF race, even with a shock win. I know Mariah Bell is in the final two events, but with the field in Russia, I don't consider her in the race, either.

Japan has Trusova, Usacheva, You, Sakamoto, and Liu. You finishing 2nd over Usacheva could put her as a potential spoiler and she definitely is capable, but the field has a lot of potential spoilers. You is the only one who can shake things up, though.

It's quite possible that the Russian take up all six Final spots as well as the first alternate spot.
Great summary @tony . Next week will be interesting when the top 4 from Skate America will battle it out again. Maybe Sakamoto and Liu can upset things this time. And what can Matsuike do? It could be bad news for Usacheva, and at the same time it will help Kostornaia to get that 6th spot.
 
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My Russian Ladies Pyramid:
Kamilla>>>>Anna>Sasha>>>Tut/Maiia>>>Daria and (>>>) to infinity is Samodurova.
Is Sofia torturing herself at this point? She always seems so unhappy to me. She can't break 200 points anymore unless she's skating at home in Saint Petersburg. She's very beautiful and has won a European championship. But the way she's skating she might not even make the top 12 at rusnats.

The question now is will sasha be healthy enough to have a 4 quiet program that nationals? If she's scoring 240 points by nationals it's going to be hard to keep her off the Olympic team as well.

But Brian orser is demanding that Liza be put on the Russian Olympic team. I'm like OK bruh good idea get Canada to give up their one lady spot so Russia can have that. ;)
 
No. Valieva, Shcherbakova, and Trusova already have wins. Tuktamysheva, Kromykh, and Usacheva have silver medals.

Valieva, Tuktamysheva, and Khromykh are all in Russia with Hendrickx. Loena would pretty much need to win there to be in the GPF picture, and that's not going to happen. One of the three Russians is going to finish 3rd or lower, but even if Loena sneaks in for a bronze again, a 4th place by any of those three women and they still pass her in the overall standings. Matsuike is the only 'maybe' that hasn't skated in an event yet but her two events are stacked.

The one big opening is going to be in France, where Kostornaia can win a potential silver and then make things competitive with the other Russian women who have a silver right now. Anyone else who ends up on the podium and they aren't going to be in the GPF race, even with a shock win. I know Mariah Bell is in the final two events, but with the field in Russia, I don't consider her in the race, either.

Japan has Trusova, Usacheva, You, Sakamoto, and Liu. You finishing 2nd over Usacheva could put her as a potential spoiler and she definitely is capable, but the field has a lot of potential spoilers. You is the only one who can shake things up, though.

It's quite possible that the Russian take up all six Final spots as well as the first alternate spot.
If the Russian ladies take all 6 spots plus the alternate spot they should get an extra Olympic team spot.

The leaders of the sport should make the Grand Prix season more important in the Olympic season by offering an extra spot for a country that dominates a discipline so incredibly. I mean would it really hurt the sport if there's one extra skater from any country?

Thanks for the post and the details.
 
I cannot imagine after this weekend that Anna is not assured of her spot with Kamila. Yes, it will come down to Trusova and Tuk. I don't see Alyona or Maiia beating them unless they add more elements.
The thing about Anna is her mental toughness clutch gene and guts. If the KaMissile or Sasha had the same mental toughness and clutch gene as Anna they would be unbeatable!

I think Anna has the lead on the 2nd Olympic spot. She never has terrible skates and you can count on her and I think it's possible she will have both quads back by nationals. The 3rd spot will come down to sasha Liza aliona and Maya. With sasha and Liza being in the lead for the 3rd spot.

The only way Anna does not make the Olympic team as if she gets injured God forbid that or she bombs nationals which is highly unlikely because bombing skates is not in her DNA.
 
Copying over from the Grand Prix thread: Match TV is reporting that Trusova is out of NHK.


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According to a Match TV source, Alexandra Trusova did not fly to Japan to participate in the second stage of the Grand Prix.

From the group of Eteri Tutberidze, Daria Usacheva and Evgenia Tarasova / Vladimir Morozov went to the stage , while Trusova remained in Moscow. Thus, the skater will not take part in the stage.

The decision to leave Trusova for the competition was made at the last moment before departure. All other skaters of the Russian national team who will take part in the stage in Japan were supposed to go to Tokyo on Sunday.

Earlier, Match TV reported that the athlete resumed ice training after a week break due to rehabilitation procedures against the background of a stress fracture.

Trusova won the US Grand Prix stage with a score of 232.27 points.

The stage in Japan (NHK Trophy) will take place on November 12-14.
 
Is Sofia torturing herself at this point? She always seems so unhappy to me. She can't break 200 points anymore unless she's skating at home in Saint Petersburg. She's very beautiful and has won a European championship. But the way she's skating she might not even make the top 12 at rusnats.
Leave Sofia alone! She looked great out there and looked satisfied with her free skate. It seems everyone wants her to quit and step aside, but she has earned the opportunity to compete at Grand Prix events and she still has good technical elements. If she were competing for a smaller federation, no one would be saying that she is torturing herself. And who cares if she finishes 12th at Russian Nats. Half of the skaters who will place ahead of her probably won't even make it past puberty.
 
This opens teh door for you and Sakomato
Also, it will show how/whether Usachyova can handle being the Number 1 Russian. She might win or she might get swallowed up by the other big skaters. I am so bummed for Sasha. Hopefully it's strictly precautionary, but this means no GPF for her. I think I need to speak to my broker, because Tut's stock is quickly rising.
 
Also, it will show how/whether Usachyova can handle being the Number 1 Russian.
Well all she'd need to do is skate cleanly. Skate America already showed us the judges are willing to go very big on PCS and GOE for her, whether deserved or not, doesn't matter. But hopefully, You Young wins anyway.
 
Well all she'd need to do is skate cleanly. Skate America already showed us the judges are willing to go very big on PCS and GOE for her, whether deserved or not, doesn't matter. But hopefully, You Young wins anyway.
It could be for Daria, but she was sorta riding on Sasha's Russian coattails at SkAm. I have a feeling that in Japan, the bigger/stronger skaters will triumph though. I can definitely see the Japanese audience favoring the Japanese skating skills and big tricks of the other girls.
 
Leave Sofia alone! She looked great out there and looked satisfied with her free skate. It seems everyone wants her to quit and step aside, but she has earned the opportunity to compete at Grand Prix events and she still has good technical elements. If she were competing for a smaller federation, no one would be saying that she is torturing herself. And who cares if she finishes 12th at Russian Nats. Half of the skaters who will place ahead of her probably won't even make it past puberty.
Many would disagree with this statement. Yes, Sofia won Euros over a disastrous Zagitova three seasons ago, and good for her. A moment she will always remember. But ever since that performance, Sofia has been skating extremely under par for an internationally competitive Russian ladies skater. If it wasn't for CV and her yet again benefiting from the points she earned from her Euros and subsequent international poor outings, she wouldn't have even had any international assignments. Her career has been a gift from the gods. It was highly successful. She's a winner and champion, and has traveled the world all by 18. She's had an amazing career. But she is really holding other more talented, and deserving ladies back, and it's really not fair anymore, especially this season. Sofia should be fighting it out with Guliakova for even making a spot at Nationals. She shouldn't be sent all over the world while leaving behind better skaters without any international assignments and who are consequently unable to grow their own points and world standing.
 
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Big pressure for Usacheva to preserve the hopes of an all-Russian GPF for the women. If Usacheva finishes 3rd or lower then it's a waiting game for her to see where Kostornaia and Khromykh finish at IdF and RC.

And, other thought... Sasha is fierce so I think this injury is worse than anyone at Sambo 70 is letting on (can't blame them on that front). Liza's stock is continuing to rise.
 
Also, it will show how/whether Usachyova can handle being the Number 1 Russian. She might win or she might get swallowed up by the other big skaters. I am so bummed for Sasha. Hopefully it's strictly precautionary, but this means no GPF for her. I think I need to speak to my broker, because Tut's stock is quickly rising.
The russian roulette has moved again

Valieva > Shcherbakova > Tuk > Krimykh > Usacheva > Trusova ?
 
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