Just call me Harry. (Everything Harry & Meghan)

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Judy said:
They are in their little garden have to go further down the page on the posted link. That is him but only shows his back.
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Thanks. I thought the coloured photo might be him but I also thought he looked older than a 2 year old. It would be nice if they actually pointed him out.
 
I saw an article that said that the leading baby name for H&M's daughter is Phillipa to honor Harry's grandfather. I think it's unlikely because that's Kate's sister's name. Previously Alice was in the lead but now it's down to 7th or 8th place. But who knows?
 
taf2002 said:
I saw an article that said that the leading baby name for H&M's daughter is Phillipa to honor Harry's grandfather. I think it's unlikely because that's Kate's sister's name. Previously Alice was in the lead but now it's down to 7th or 8th place. But who knows?
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Pippa won’t be related in any way so not sure why that name wouldn’t be used
 
becca said:
Pippa won’t be related in any way so not sure why that name wouldn’t be used
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I know that but I immediately thought of Kate's sister when I read the article. I bet others did too. IDK if that's a bad thing or a good thing in this situation.
 
taf2002 said:
So the fact that my father is deceased means that I should never mention that he used to beat the crap out of me? My childhood trauma affected me way into adulthood - my father used to do things that showed how much he loved me & then would whip me with an electric cord. It was very confusing. It wasn't until I posted here about it that I really came to terms about it. I really think Harry's criticism is relatively mild. I'll bet he could relate some much more damaging anecdotes.
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I think there's a huge difference between dealing with trauma and talking about it and being exploited by the media/networks. I think that the latter is happening to Harry and I really mean that he and his trauma are being exploited. He's had someone who took care of his public appearances all his life and suddenly, he has to do it by himself. I don't trust anyone in the media/networks enough to not believe that they wouldn't see dollar signs and take advantage of Harry and what has happened.

I'm a huge proponent of talking about trauma or anything that one is bothered by, for that matter. But Harry is still very involved, it seems like he's still vulnerable and does not have a certain distance yet. The media/networks are probably elated because it makes for better stories but the interviews generate attention, controversy, anger and negativity and I find it difficult to believe that that's healthy or helpful. ?‍♀️
 
clairecloutier said:
Is there some kind of rule on this forum about re-posting the same thing incessantly in a thread??? Like, literally the same exact things, same exact arguments, just over and over and over? :rolleyes:
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I deleted it because not helpful but this is based on a new interview. And this time Harry is making money off trashing his family.
 
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This thread is interesting to me, because it does at least illustrate who Harry and Meghan's target audience is.

My conclusion on a lot of celebrity posturing is that it is much like religious figures. 'What one says they believe is what makes one good versus what one actually does in practice'. (Chrissy Teigen apparently being the poster child of this).

As for Harry himself, he's being sold down the river something chronic. I just feel pity and aprehension for the way he's being chewed up by these media corps and being convinced that exposing himself so deeply is good idea.
 
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starrynight said:
This thread is interesting to me, because it does at least illustrate who Harry and Meghan's target audience is.

My conclusion on a lot of celebrity posturing is that it is much like religious figures. 'What one says they believe is what makes one good versus what one actually does in practice'. (Chrissy Teigen apparently being the poster child of this).

As for Harry himself, he's being sold down the river something chronic. I just feel pity and aprehension for the way he's being chewed up by these media corps and being convinced that exposing himself so deeply is good idea.
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I think maybe Harry and Meghan's target audience may be people like me.

I could give a rat's patootie about the BRF as an institution. The Henry's starving to death in Ireland in the 1850's before they left for the US of A may have had something to do with that. ;). But mostly, I really don't care.

I find Harry's speaking to mental health to be admirable and to be the farthest thing from celebrity posturing. I find him to be a responsible adult in all respects when he does that.

I find far more "posturing" and "celebrity worship" in a mindset that pushes happy hoo-hah like Wills and Kate are so very classy and adult and self-sacrificing and not hypocritical as compared to Harry and Meaghan (oh please:rolleyes:) Worshiping the Queen like she is a religious figure. And so forth. Sell it to someone who buying it, because I walked this earth too long to buy it myself. :)
 
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el henry said:
I find Harry's speaking to mental health to be admirable and to be the farthest thing from celebrity posturing. I find him to be a responsible adult in all respects when he does that.
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You find it admirable to bag on your family publicly, knowing that they are not going to respond in kind, which gives you freedom to say whatever you want and control the narrative? How is this not celebrity posturing?

I just can't see how he is being responsible or thoughtful of anyone in his life with how he is airing any of this out there rather than working through the issues privately. Even his explanation of why Meghan chose to not commit suicide is fraught with irresponsibility. She was pregnant with their son and yet the only reason, according to Harry, that she chose life over death was because she didn't want Harry to lose another woman he loved. How is that supposed to make Archie feel when he is old enough to process that statement? Even if his parents raise him in the most loving and nurturing home, at some point, it's going to be a question for him to grapple with. What sort of responsible parent says something like that, in an on-camera interview about mental health, that will be available for anyone (including, inevitably, schoolmates) to see for eternity?

As far as speaking to mental health, he is hardly the only member of the BRF who has spoken about mental health and made it a part of his charitable activities and focus, but I don't suppose you care about any of those other royals since admiring them is nothing short of religious cultdom, in your view. :shuffle:
 
Their baby must be due soon. Meghan looked about 8 months in her last zoom video for the vax concert. I wonder if they have decided on a name yet for their bundle of joy ?
 
el henry said:
I find far more "posturing" and "celebrity worship" in a mindset that pushes happy hoo-hah like Wills and Kate are so very classy and adult and self-sacrificing and not hypocritical as compared to Harry and Meaghan (oh please:rolleyes:) Worshiping the Queen like she is a religious figure. And so forth. Sell it to someone who buying it, because I walked this earth too long to buy it myself. :)
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I do get this.

I had a similar experience a week ago. I was browsing fabric online and saw these bolts of fabric that had these cutesy fabric doll prints (the kind you cut around, stuff and sew up) of US politicians. Weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. For some reason it’s stuck in my head. Maybe it’s the insidious idea of packaging up politicians as play time friends for kids.

I agree that a healthy dose of skepticism is a good thing with public figures.
 
Karen-W said:
You find it admirable to bag on your family publicly, knowing that they are not going to respond in kind, which gives you freedom to say whatever you want and control the narrative? How is this not celebrity posturing?

I just can't see how he is being responsible or thoughtful of anyone in his life with how he is airing any of this out there rather than working through the issues privately. Even his explanation of why Meghan chose to not commit suicide is fraught with irresponsibility. She was pregnant with their son and yet the only reason, according to Harry, that she chose life over death was because she didn't want Harry to lose another woman he loved. How is that supposed to make Archie feel when he is old enough to process that statement? Even if his parents raise him in the most loving and nurturing home, at some point, it's going to be a question for him to grapple with. What sort of responsible parent says something like that, in an on-camera interview about mental health, that will be available for anyone (including, inevitably, schoolmates) to see for eternity?

As far as speaking to mental health, he is hardly the only member of the BRF who has spoken about mental health and made it a part of his charitable activities and focus, but I don't suppose you care about any of those other royals since admiring them is nothing short of religious cultdom, in your view. :shuffle:
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Yes, I do find it admirable that Harry is saying what he is saying. If Wills and Kate would respond, I would think more highly of them, frankly. Saying that Wills or Kate or even the Queen are showing some sort of admirable responsible restraint, while Harry and Meghan are not, is contrary to the facts as I see them. ETA: They could answer if they chose. If they choose to live within the constrictions of "the firm" that doesn't make them more responsible. Now, I don't follow the BRF's every move, but from what I see, they are all equal.

And I walked 10 miles uphill both ways barefoot in the snow to school, so I know from responsibility:lol:

Harry and Meghan may have made mistakes in their life, no doubt. So have Wills, Kate, and even Elizabeth. I just don't see one side as more responsible or classy or whatever words could be used than the other. I think they are all doing the best they can do with the life they have.

Except Andrew:(
 
I think whether they can or can’t do things is more of a construct of the advice they get.

After all William recorded a video message tearing the BBC a new one. So he can speak if he wants. But no doubt that message was carefully considered by his advisers before it went public.

The royals would be receiving advice to not keep throwing logs on the fire. And for the present they are following that advice. Which is reasonable advice as engaging in a public tit for tat would be pointless.
 
el henry said:
Yes, I do find it admirable that Harry is saying what he is saying. If Wills and Kate would respond, I would think more highly of them, frankly. Saying that Wills or Kate or even the Queen are showing some sort of admirable responsible restraint, while Harry and Meghan are not, is contrary to the facts as I see them. ETA: They could answer if they chose. If they choose to live within the constrictions of "the firm" that doesn't make them more responsible. Now, I don't follow the BRF's every move, but from what I see, they are all equal.

And I walked 10 miles uphill both ways barefoot in the snow to school, so I know from responsibility:lol:

Harry and Meghan may have made mistakes in their life, no doubt. So have Wills, Kate, and even Elizabeth. I just don't see one side as more responsible or classy or whatever words could be used than the other. I think they are all doing the best they can do with the life they have.

Except Andrew:(
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I'm not certain that I think there is anything admirable in having a public discourse about the "genetic pain" of one's upbringing. Right now, all Harry is doing is putting it out there for the public to consume (and we are, lol :watch: ). Is it really working through and addressing the issues in a healing way that enables all parties to move forward into a healthier, happier relationship? At the end of the day, they are still family, and I'm not sure any of us would feel all that good if our own family members did to us what Harry is doing to his - I tend to think it's rather destructive - it certainly creates a lack of trust and it isn't really all that compassionate. Clearly, you see it differently, and that's fine.

And, I do agree about Andrew.
 
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Well the whole thing is just sad.

What I would find positive and inspirational is if in a number of years time we could have an interview with Harry, William etc about how they worked through this and found common ground to re-establish a cordial relationship.

But until then (or perhaps never), this sad business isn’t the kind of thing to be cheered on.
 
el henry said:
Yes, I do find it admirable that Harry is saying what he is saying. If Wills and Kate would respond, I would think more highly of them, frankly. Saying that Wills or Kate or even the Queen are showing some sort of admirable responsible restraint, while Harry and Meghan are not, is contrary to the facts as I see them. ETA: They could answer if they chose. If they choose to live within the constrictions of "the firm" that doesn't make them more responsible. Now, I don't follow the BRF's every move, but from what I see, they are all equal.

And I walked 10 miles uphill both ways barefoot in the snow to school, so I know from responsibility:lol:

Harry and Meghan may have made mistakes in their life, no doubt. So have Wills, Kate, and even Elizabeth. I just don't see one side as more responsible or classy or whatever words could be used than the other. I think they are all doing the best they can do with the life they have.

Except Andrew:(
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Or maybe it’s a different point of view on Williams end. My understanding is William was very upset about his parents interview when they trashed each other . He was made fun of by kids at school. He was older than Harry and my understanding was deeply affected by it.

I think William wants privacy. I have said early I hope not repeating myself but when Kate and William broke up she was offered a lot of money to give interview and refused.

I think Kate doing the exact opposite of his mother may be why he married her .

the issue isn’t restraint as much as trust. How can you have a personal relationship with someone who if things go wrong they go complaining to the press.

How does he and his brother trading grievances help anything? It also invites the press further in their lives.
 
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I listened to Harry's podcast with Dax Shepard and other than Dax's constant unecessary swearing, I found it a very interesting listen. As someone in therapy myself - I also do EMDR like Harry and have done for the last year - I appreciated his honesty about his struggles and could really to relate to his development of self-awareness, especially as he comes from a family that has shown very little evidence of possessing much if any self-awareness themselves throughout history! That doesn't mean that he is going to be perfect or never make a mistake or however people might like to misinterpret that. It is about understanding how we end up the way we do, why we're triggered by certain things, recognising our own biases etc. And a lot of that has to go back to the caregivers in our younger lives because that is where the damage is done. I'm lucky in that I have been able to open up to my Mum about some of my trauma and in no way am I blaming her for it because so much of what went on was circumstance. But I can't fully reprocess it without acknowledging her role in it and realising the impact it had on me.

I'm lucky I can have those sorts of conversations with her. Harry is clearly not able to do so with his father and family and of course Charles is, as usual, "apoplectic" or "incandescent" with rage (the usual tabloid description from their palace sources) about Harry talking about his trauma because it makes him look bad. Charles is also in a very fragile glass house and should probably think twice about throwing one more stone but that's JMO. I don't see Harry trashing his family, I see him recognising the unwitting role they have played in his trauma because they haven't learned from their own experiences. How many of us have seen the same things play out generation after genderation in our own families or those of others close to us? Quite a few I would imagine if we're willing to be honest about it. The problem of course is that his family happens to be the most famous one on earth, but IMO even that does not excuse the constant attempts to shut Harry down and discredit him. Just as being PoW doesn't excuse Charles' failings as a parent. Everyone has to have the right to speak out about their trauma and the way the media try to discredit him and what he is saying is potentially very damaging to the positive influence Harry's openness can and will have on others who are suffering.
 
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