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Beatrice is not the daughter of a future monarch, and her father is extremely problematic. She also got married in the middle of a pandemlc. It's not remotely the same situation.
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antmanb
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Yeah i was just coming to post BS on the divorced people being not being able to marry again in the Church of England.
And the hand wringing about everyone wanting a garden wedding is also totally OTT. The majority of people i know who were married in Church did not do so because they believe or attend church regularly, they did so because churches tend to be quite beautiful buildings and they look good in pictures and it "looks" right for the occasion. None of the couples who were marreid in church who's weddings i have attended over the years actually goes to church or practices religion. No way folks are clamouring to have garden weddings rather than church ones, especially if they are religious.
And the hand wringing about everyone wanting a garden wedding is also totally OTT. The majority of people i know who were married in Church did not do so because they believe or attend church regularly, they did so because churches tend to be quite beautiful buildings and they look good in pictures and it "looks" right for the occasion. None of the couples who were marreid in church who's weddings i have attended over the years actually goes to church or practices religion. No way folks are clamouring to have garden weddings rather than church ones, especially if they are religious.
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OMG! I can't believe all the hand-wringing & pearl-clutching over H&M's private romantic moment together. I know haters gonna hate but this is ridiculous. Can't you people find something more reasonable to diss & dissect? I know - did anyone notice Meghan touched her baby bump? Oh the horrors! Discuss.
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If there were things in the interview that were incorrect or inaccurate, it raises the question of whether there were any other inaccuracies. This does NOT make Meghan/Harry liars; human memory is imperfect, and perceptions can be skewed by all sorts of things. There's a ton of research on this kind of stuff.
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Everyone wasn't just discussing the rules of the church & you know it.
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Between the extremes of "everything Meghan/Harry say is objective truth" and "Daily Mail commenter", there are other possible reactions to the interview.
The interview was very carefully calibrated to get a certain message and image across - obviously, that's the whole point of telling their side of the story - but I am sure everyone involved set out to be truthful. Still, as I wrote, human perceptions and memory are imperfect; even with the best of intentions, they can get distorted. The characterization of the pre-marriage vows is minor, and some of the criticism about it is disingenuous at best (seriously, whose business is it if Meghan and Harry want to consider that their real vows?). If there are inaccuracies related to some of the serious accusations in the interview, that's a bigger problem.
It goes without saying that if those allegations are 100% accurate, that's vastly more troubling; and even if they are somewhat skewed, what Meghan went through is clearly unacceptable.
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Imperfect memories. Does not mean they did not lie.
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Imperfect memories also does not mean that they DID lie. 
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@canbelto, at first I thought you were replying to me, and I was confused because I'd stated repeatedly that I thought Harry and Meghan were trying their best to truthful, even if it's their truth and not necessarily 100% accurate. But then I saw who you were responding to, and all became clear.Imperfect memories also does not mean that they DID lie.
@AxelAnnie - please don't. Have some sympathy for two people who have obviously been through a tough time, regardless of how you feel about them personally.
Imperfect memories can also mean imperfect impressions too. That’s the issue.
For example Meghan says she cried over issue with Kate how does she not know that Kate didn’t cry as well? Kate very well could have. I recall the place did try to Pooh Pooh the argument.
One could point out that she did contribute to Finding Freedom and there it was said no one cried.
So Meghan’s stories have changed. But she decided to go on Oprah and Bare her personal issue with Kate. Reports are Kate had since gotten threats.
I just don’t like giving that kind of interview and discussing private issues. There is always two sides to every story as well.
The royal family doesn’t have complete control over the tabloids or what they say. And expecting their to be no negative stories when your in the public eye.
But you can chose to not give interviews discussing those issues in public.
For example Meghan says she cried over issue with Kate how does she not know that Kate didn’t cry as well? Kate very well could have. I recall the place did try to Pooh Pooh the argument.
One could point out that she did contribute to Finding Freedom and there it was said no one cried.
So Meghan’s stories have changed. But she decided to go on Oprah and Bare her personal issue with Kate. Reports are Kate had since gotten threats.
I just don’t like giving that kind of interview and discussing private issues. There is always two sides to every story as well.
The royal family doesn’t have complete control over the tabloids or what they say. And expecting their to be no negative stories when your in the public eye.
But you can chose to not give interviews discussing those issues in public.
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To my mind, for the wedding "issue", knowing what I know about my faith tradition, it more likely that Vicar What's His Name relating what some unnamed person from the ABC's staff said about any other ceremony is inaccurate than what Meghan and Harry said.
Just my reaction
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I'm certainly not in a position to say (and am more familiar with Jewish weddings, anyway).To my mind, for the wedding "issue", knowing what I know about my faith tradition, it more likely that Vicar What's His Name relating what some unnamed person from the ABC's staff said about any other ceremony is inaccurate than what Meghan and Harry said.
Just my reaction
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No, I don't think I can. Their actions have been hurtful, destructive, and selfish. I cannot have sympathy for people who blatantly hurt people. These two have eschewed royal etiquette and common courtesy. They are certainly free to make the choices that they feel are right for their family. And, good for them. What's missing is taking responsibility for the consequences of those actions. If someone has hurt you, talk to them about it. Work through it. Come out the other end
I can't have respect for people who air their grievances during a horribly difficult time for the people they are supposed to love. Charles, The Queen, William certainly deserve better treatment especially with Prince Phillip in the hospital, and the Queen watching her 99-year-old husband so ill.
Nothing that M&H said (true or not) needed to be said right now.
If you can tell me one thing that needed to be said right now on international television I would appreciate it. Anything that is not about suicide.
Thanks.
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It all gets a little bit meaningless trying to argue that one person's imperfect memory of something is less imperfect than another's.
Trial witnesses struggle with this all the time and everyone's memory is imperfect in one way or another. Meghan and Harry explained what they remembered very clearly and using clear language. The Palace made a wishy washy statement about their version of events being remembered differently and refusing to engage any further...i know which one I find more persuasive than the other.
Trial witnesses struggle with this all the time and everyone's memory is imperfect in one way or another. Meghan and Harry explained what they remembered very clearly and using clear language. The Palace made a wishy washy statement about their version of events being remembered differently and refusing to engage any further...i know which one I find more persuasive than the other.
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But Meghan's a POC. So of course certain ppl will automatically assume she's deceitful.
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True. Are you saying the veracity of a person's claim is measured by the strength of the denial? I assume not.
I admire the Queen's response and restraint. These issues cannot IMO be dealt with publicly.
Going tit for tat won't help clear things up. Sometimes you just have to talk.
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And other people will automatically assume that, because she is a POC, she is the aggrieved party. YMMV.
I actually wouldn’t say the royal family is perfect and Meghan doesn’t have some legitimate grievances.
But I also think typically in disputes there is more than one side of the story.
The royal family’s motto is never complain, never explain. They may feel getting into a tit for tat will only cause more issues.
Charles and Diana’s interviews didn’t help. Andrew’s didn’t.
Furthermore Meghan and Harry may have gotten lots of sympathy in America but that interview did not play well in the U.K. Harry is now at negative So their are different cultural issues too.
Once again you cannot say you want privacy and then bring your personal family squabbles and grievances in a interview to millions.
Furthemore Meghan is doing exactly what her father did by airing out personal family grievances with the press. She just doesn’t see it.
But I also think typically in disputes there is more than one side of the story.
The royal family’s motto is never complain, never explain. They may feel getting into a tit for tat will only cause more issues.
Charles and Diana’s interviews didn’t help. Andrew’s didn’t.
Furthermore Meghan and Harry may have gotten lots of sympathy in America but that interview did not play well in the U.K. Harry is now at negative So their are different cultural issues too.
Once again you cannot say you want privacy and then bring your personal family squabbles and grievances in a interview to millions.
Furthemore Meghan is doing exactly what her father did by airing out personal family grievances with the press. She just doesn’t see it.
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@AxelAnnie Save your outrage for people who really do things that are awful and damaging and hurtful. Not having "common courtesy" and daring to wear a white dress at a second wedding are not worth the condemnation you're throwing around.
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We have a different view. I don't care if she wore purple. My complaint is the damage she did to the Queen and her Husband, Prince Charles and Camilla and William and Kate.
All of that hurt did not need to happen. Especially from someone who says she was hurt. Perpetuating the hurt doesn't help anything.
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Really? Then why are you going on about the white dress?
In the UK this week, a policeman with a very high security clearance got arrested for murdering a woman he randomly kidnapped off the street - a woman who was doing nothing more than walking home after a night out with her friends. That is the kind of "hurt" and "damage" that should be way more concerning.
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No but exposing it my prevent it from happening again. Good for Harry and Meghan for shining a light on the dark. May their words and deeds help now and in the future.
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But does it? Every interview of any length is going to contain inaccuracies when people are recounting memories. Going looking for "contradictions" and them using them to shout "AHA! See they are liars!" as some here are doing is just weird IMO.
If someone remembers one thing wrong, all that means is that they remembered one thing wrong. Or, as in this case, if they call a non-binding ceremony where vows are exchanged, a marriage, why does that mean everything else they said has to be suspect?
Your concern trolling for the BRF is touching.
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This. I think one of the best example is that she didn't even say that Archie didn't get a title because he was a biracial baby. Oprah asked and the answer that Meghan gave allowed the conclusion that that was the reason but she never said so specifically (or denied it).
Doing it this way is not something I would have done, but, as MacMadame points out, they're not the first to do this. Doesn't mean I have to like it. Doesn't mean that it deserves the response it got either. And as I've said before, the truth is likely somewhere in the middle.
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Definitely. There's always three sides to a story.
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Well yes those churches are gorgeous! And I think they all have right to them since state church I read there was some outcry and I imagine that the outcry may have been if the rules affected them somehow like no elopement then big wedding later that’s only issue.
it’s possible some where asking for private garden during Covid then big wedding in church later who knows
it’s possible some where asking for private garden during Covid then big wedding in church later who knows
You are really this concerned about the royal family? While no one knows exactly what went on, I think we all know one thing: they’ll be perfectly fine. They are literally among the most privileged people on earth. And of course this includes both Meghan and Harry as well. But Meghan’s experiences in the royal family aren’t even about her. They are about the treatment the black women and what they particularly go through in predominantly white spaces.
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One of the weddings was disingenuous, to say the least. The first one was not even legal. As you must have two witnesses present.
It is a giant f you to the Church of England and the British people.
If they wanted something private something on the next morning would have been appropriate. In that intimate setting they could have said and done what they wanted....short of a other wedding.
And if the first wedding was legal they are in a real pickle because the second wedding was not.
It is a giant f you to the Church of England and the British people.
If they wanted something private something on the next morning would have been appropriate. In that intimate setting they could have said and done what they wanted....short of a other wedding.
And if the first wedding was legal they are in a real pickle because the second wedding was not.
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@AxelAnnie The first ceremony, whatever it was, was conducted by the Archbishop of Canterbury, who is the elected head of the Church of England. If the ceremony was illegal or "a big F you" to the church, I seriously doubt he would have agreed to officiate it.
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