You do know most transmission of the virus is done in people’s homes and close quarters environments right? Its so crazy a party with figure skaters is more likely to get people infected than a competition with skaters!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for sharing Sadovsky's video as well as providing a summary.
Given that the illness takes several days to recognise symptoms, I hope the US Nationals don't spawn any new cases from holding the event.I too had hoped for a virtual event, but understand the decision to cancel and think it is prudent.
Meanwhile, US Nats go ahead while the epidemic worsens and numbers rise.
It's inevitable that this thread is going to turn into a bunch of back-and-forth about this, so here we go.I too had hoped for a virtual event, but understand the decision to cancel and think it is prudent.
Meanwhile, US Nats go ahead while the epidemic worsens and numbers rise.
I think the danger is that someone in the bubble will be an asymptomatic carrier, transmit YKW to someone else, and thereby start community transmission. But that seems obvious. People need to go to work and buy groceries. They don't need to take planes to compete in FS.
As you must know, you can't really compare Canada to the US, which SFAIK is the hardest hit country along with Russia. We are doing much better than the US, thanks to a competent federal leader and competent provincial leaders and public health officials. And we are doing better here in British Columbia than the rest of the country, in part because we have a wonderful PHO, the now famous Dr. Bonny Henry.
There is that chance of transmission anywhere, but I'm just curious why, if it's like Skate America where they aren't ever in close contact besides zipping past each other on warm-up ice, this suddenly becomes a huge risk and puts so many others at risk? At their home rinks during practice, I'd be willing to bet that they are closer to each other than they will be the entire weekend at Nationals. Are you suggesting all of that should be shut down too, even in Canada? Unless there's a total lockdown with punishment for those who break it, this ideology won't happen.
At some point, everyone is going to need to stop continuing to blame Trump and realize that people on all points of the spectrum are much more lax with their behaviors now. Actually, I'd say many Trump fans have been consistent with not caring, but now that more things have opened in certain parts of the US, you can't continuously blame those evil Republicans for numbers going up when people are traveling, engaging in more get-togethers/parties, etc.
Miami, which typically has a closing time of 5AM, has been on a curfew this entire time. First it was 9PM, then 10PM, and it's been at midnight for a while. Don't hold your breath on curfews doing much of anything. CV doesn't only come out at night.
And like I said, good for you. I pretty much have, as well. I documented how they attempted to get us go to back to class and since one person in my class on the first day ended up testing positive, I had to sit at home for 14 days as a precaution. But if you want to try and insist that A) the majority of people in the USA and/or Canada are sitting at home 24/7 as well or B) it's all the Republicans, I promise you that you are very wrong. Doesn't make them 'right', but think about the people that have to work and for those who live in tourist cities and have worked in the field for so many years with little to no other skills, what do you suggest? And before you say entry-level anything, consider cost of living in such cities.
And why are they rising? Because it's cold? Or because people are becoming more comfortable with their actions and/or getting bored? Consider younger people before you claim that no one is bored-- whether they are right or wrong.
Well, I guess it's a good thing you're in Canada so you have little to fear from outbreaks that might result from last week's riot at the US Capitol. I can't imagine that being on the opposite coast in another country you'll need to worry about an outbreak occurring in your city from people returning after they joined the protest. And especially now that Canadian Nationals have been cancelled, there won't be any US-based skaters traveling to your fair city to increase the danger of an outbreak. That might be the only bright light in the sad news of the cancellation of Canadian Nationals - the rest of us on FSU won't have to read the hand-wringing and worry over the bubble not being tight enough, or skaters not getting enough training time to adequately prepare. It is, of course, offset by the eventual moaning and complaining we're sure to hear about how unfair it is of the ISU to go ahead and hold Worlds (and I firmly believe they will, even if they have to postpone it until May) and what a shame it is that Canada won't field a team. Meanwhile, Russia, Japan, the US, China, and Italy will all send their best skaters and it'll be a pretty competitive event, regardless of any missing athletes.
I can't see how there could be 0 contact between bubbles of skaters/coaches/officials. Are they all to stay in hotel rooms isolated from each other the whole time? Have no contact with anyone outside their bubble as they make their way from hotel to arena and back? Is that manageable? And many will not be able to avoid having to fly to get to the competition. And will skaters be taken to the comp by individual drivers, since they won't want to be on the bus? Who would pay for that.
I was speaking for myself, not for other people, in response to a comment you made. I did not say or imply that most Americans/Canadians were sitting at home. Of course, people have to go to work. I believe I said that also.
I think they are rising in part because some people are in part becoming more comfortable with their actions and/or getting bored. But I don't think that is the primary reason. I think the numbers are rising because the measures needed to fully contain the virus, like full lockdown, are really hard to implement and come at a huge economic and social cost. And some people have to go out to work, such as hospital workers, factory workers, grocery store workers.
Skate Canada has not said they won't field a team. That is speculation based on an older article that talked about their responses to a poll that the ISU took of their members.
So why is that danger "greater" than the danger in the bubble at their local rink?
Not quite. At least one of the new variants have been identified in Canada, I am not sure if it the UK one but I think it is.
So if worlds happen......who goes?
I found his explanation to be excellent and really understood more the thinking of Skate Canada, what a wonderful communicator he isThank you for sharing Sadovsky's video as well as providing a summary.
Skate Canada could do virtual monitoring for the skaters who would be eligible (which wouldn't be that many skaters, depending on what the ISU decides about the minimum scores needed this year), say around the time that Canadians was supposed to take place.
So do I
But not everyone needs to go to work. I don't go to work, for example. I work from home. The only people who need to go to work are people in essential jobs that can't be performed from home and people who would out on the street homeless if they don't go to work. I gather the latter isn't a big issue in Canada since the government is doing the sensible thing and basically paying people to stay home. So it's just essential workers. Which figure skaters are not.
Either a committee decides based on whatever data they have or they schedule some sort of test skate among the contenders if it's not obvious who to send.
This isn't really correct. You wouldn't consider most jobs in Florida (and big cities) to be essential but here are the options: go back and attempt to make the money you need to live, find an entry-level online job that will not pay for your bills, or try to claim unemployment still that A) isn't much money to begin with and B) is almost impossible to get now in places that have basically opened up because they aren't going to accept 'cannot work because of CV' as an excuse anymore. That extra $600/$400 a week was gone after four weeks in Florida. Average rent (and pretty ordinary living situations here) in Miami is $2000 -- $550 max every two weeks pays just over half of rent a month.
These half-baked ideas make zero sense to me. If other provinces aren't doing the same, then in 28 days you'll see an expected drop in Ontario but then open the flood gates for everyone to come back and start it all over again? (and I understand hospital capacity issues, but I just don't think any plan is a good one unless the entire country is locked down equally)
