Just call me Harry. (Everything Harry & Meghan)

[Lemonade20]

I admit I’m not a fan of Meghan because of certain things she has done. She tries so hard to steal the spotlight and doesn’t like being told what to do and not do. I wish them all the best in their new lives

 

[becca]

Meghan Markle Violated an Agreement When She Upstaged Camilla Parker Bowles Claims Royal Source

Meghan Markle reportedly violated an agreement within the royal family by upstaging Camilla Parker Bowles' speech on domestic violence.

www.cheatsheet.com

This is a good article on it. The talk about initiatives Camilla and Kate were trying to support.

It is what it is but apparently in the book Finding Freedom they talk about how Harry and Meghan didn’t like taking a back seat....

It’s also mentioned that William did try to go to bat for his brother to have own staff.

 

[canbelto]

I admit I’m not a fan of Meghan because of certain things she has done. She tries so hard to steal the spotlight and doesn’t like being told what to do and not do. I wish them all the best in their new lives

No one likes being told what to do and what not to do. I mean ... it sort of sucks that royalty is all about being told what to do and what not to do. But Meghan's not the first woman to buckle at the rules of the BRF.

 

[Vagabond]

No one likes being told what to do and what not to do. I mean ... it sort of sucks that royalty is all about being told what to do and what not to do. But Meghan's not the first woman to buckle at the rules of the BRF.

And she's gotten off a lot lighter than, say, Catherine Howard. At least so far.

 

[MsZem]

Her name is Eugenie. Not Eugenia. Not Eugene. Eugenie.

Yes indeed. Don't give in to the tyranny of your spellchecker!

All I remember from Eugenie and Jack's wedding is her gorgeous dress (+ body positivity message) and tiara, and how happy they looked. The people bringing up the pregnancy announcement almost two years later are Scobie and Durand, and that's hardly Eugenie’s fault.

 

[kwanfan1818]

And paying homage to the bride and grooms parents is way different to announcing a pregnancy during someone else's wedding - IMO.

One co-worker used to have to attend several weddings each work night during "the season" so that no one held it against her family that she hadn't talked to the parents along with the other 600 guests, and I used to tease her the next morning with "How many new cousins will you have?"

 

[MacMadame]

But who says they have a chip on their shoulder? I have never heard that they bear any resentment toward that sort of thing.

Well now you are changing your argument. Because that's not what you said before.

 

[becca]

Well now you are changing your argument. Because that's not what you said before.

Uh I was trying to say even if I didn’t come accross that way. That for most of her life it’s been clear that William and Harry are the important ones. And she had been a very supportive cousin never complained about it.
She reportedly was very close to Harry and would go on double dates with him and Meghan.

That given how much she has played her royal as a supporting member of the royal family with no complaint that maybe it’s not to much to ask for Meghan and Harry to rise a step back on her wedding day and just play supportive cousin?

I don’t think it’s selfish on Her part.

and that in the book finding freedom there is so much complaint about being overshadowed by other Senior royals why then do that? It is what it is.

you can be totally fine that life has given someone else a larger role but still think that person should be supportive of you in important moments.

 

[canbelto]

I just feel like there shouldn't be this judgment that Meghan couldn't fit into the stringent rules of BRF when so many other women before her couldn't either. It's definitely not for everyone.

 

[Lemonade20]

Yes indeed. Don't give in to the tyranny of your spellchecker!

All I remember from Eugenie and Jack's wedding is her gorgeous dress (+ body positivity message) and tiara, and how happy they looked. The people bringing up the pregnancy announcement almost two years later are Scobie and Durand, and that's hardly Eugenie’s fault.

yes!!! Her dress was stunning and she was just gorgeous!!

 

[Lorac]

As I said, serious lack of perspective and maturity from all the royals, and it doesn't reflect well on anyone.
It's also disturbing that Omid Scobie is a royal reporter whose job is to make the royals look good. If this is the PR they want to put out, that's a whole other conversation.

I think you'll find that Omid Scobie has firmly nailed his colours to the Sussexes mast and can no longer be seen as a more general royal reporter and it's been that way for a good while now. To say this is the PR the other royals would want put out is not true as this is something way out of their hands as Scobie and his co author have clearly got an agenda here. From the exerts I have perused it seems if they can't ensure H&M are seen in a positive light then casting shade on others seems to be the default argument put forth by the authors.

 

[antmanb]

Meghan Markle Violated an Agreement When She Upstaged Camilla Parker Bowles Claims Royal Source

Meghan Markle reportedly violated an agreement within the royal family by upstaging Camilla Parker Bowles' speech on domestic violence.

www.cheatsheet.com

This is a good article on it.

That article literally contains not a single fact that anyone was slighted. It's full of supposition...you know there is no "there" there when the question is did Meghan break a "secret agreement"?

I think it's bad etiquette to announce anything at someone else's special occasion, but "announce" to me would be to stand up and deliver a speech to announce something. News coming out at an event is totally different. I've lost count of the number of times I've been at a wedding and someone notices, for example, that someone isn't drinking and asks probing questions and it comes out that they're pregnant. Weddings tend to happen to groups of friends around the same age when families are being started and drinking culture is a large part of weddings in the UK and these things come out

 

[skategal]

That article literally contains not a single fact that anyone was slighted. It's full of supposition...you know there is no "there" there when the question is did Meghan break a "secret agreement"?

I think it's bad etiquette to announce anything at someone else's special occasion, but "announce" to me would be to stand up and deliver a speech to announce something. News coming out at an event is totally different. I've lost count of the number of times I've been at a wedding and someone notices, for example, that someone isn't drinking and asks probing questions and it comes out that they're pregnant. Weddings tend to happen to groups of friends around the same age when families are being started and drinking culture is a large part of weddings in the UK and these things come out

That’s exactly what I was thinking re:drinking.

I think they were between a rock and a hard place with the pregnancy news as for sure not ideal to announce it there but for sure it would have been noticed that she wasn’t drinking and toasting the happy couple with champagne.

Better to just be upfront about it all.

 

[Jenny]

I think you'll find that Omid Scobie has firmly nailed his colours to the Sussexes mast and can no longer be seen as a more general royal reporter and it's been that way for a good while now. To say this is the PR the other royals would want put out is not true as this is something way out of their hands as Scobie and his co author have clearly got an agenda here. From the exerts I have perused it seems if they can't ensure H&M are seen in a positive light then casting shade on others seems to be the default argument put forth by the authors.

Reminds me of someone else, can't think of the name right now.

 

[Andora]

I just feel like there shouldn't be this judgment that Meghan couldn't fit into the stringent rules of BRF when so many other women before her couldn't either. It's definitely not for everyone.

Agreed. It's hilarious those pushing forward Beatrice & Eugenie so strongly, forgetting what a disastrous mess their mother was in Meghan's role.

None of the women who marry into the BRF have deserved the toxicity they received from the press, courtiers, etc. Not Kate when she was caught in a bad look on camera-- skirt flying up and topless photos with a telelens. Not Fergie and the "Duchess of Pork" gobshite. None of them. This "she needs to learn to suck it up for the crown" garbage has got to end.

And all this bullshit about "H&M just don't like to fall back in line." I wouldn't want important charity work I do to take a backseat to stuffy bullshit just on account of birth order, all in servitude of an institution that needs to end. H&M have every right to feel their work is just as important as Will & Catherine's, considering the work-shyness of the latter, for example. So, they ask for more freedom to pursue more projects that are meaningful to them. None of that is a problem, unless you too believe the monarchy's bullshit comes before the important work they're actually supposed to be doing-- including great environmental initiatives from Charles, etc.

Lastly, I still don't understand the nature of said pregnancy announcement, either. Did Meghan grab the mic and let all the guests know? Did she share it with people near to them because they were physically gathered together-- albeit for another event? Did someone ask and she just let fly? Like, all this hang-wringing over her being selfish is massively stupid period, but imagine it was a small comment that's become this massive thing?

 

[once_upon]

I don't know the circumstances of the pregnancy announcement but I do see social situations where drinking/toasting the bridal couple would be between a rock and a hard place for anyone.. Even if you ask discreetly for sparkling apple juice, the wait staff will know and news travels fast especially with the BRF.

So your choice might be to tell or to politely sip the alcohol which we know is harmful to fetuses. No matter which choice you make you are going to be criticized. I would choose the health of my baby.

I don't know how the announcement came about, but I can certainly see a dilemma and a situation that was going to be a no win for Meghan. Especially with the critics.

 

[Vagabond]

I don't know the circumstances of the pregnancy announcement

This is actually more complicated than onr might think.

Meghan Markle: Pregnancy announcement sparked royal outrage

CONCERNS were raised about how quickly Meghan got pregnant after joining the Royal Family and the way the news was announced, it has been claimed.

www.express.co.uk

Although the pregnancy was officially announced on October 15, 2018, the book claims Meghan told the Royals she was expecting at the wedding of Harry’s cousin, Princess Eugenie

But here's what Harper's Bazaar had to say back in October 2018:

However, a source tells BAZAAR.com that Harry and Meghan did not break the news to their family at the wedding. The Queen and Prince Philip, Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall, and Eugenie and Jack all knew about Meghan's pregnancy before the wedding, but hadn't seen the Sussexes in person until Friday—making the wedding the first time these members of the royal family could congratulate the couple in person. It's unclear whether the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge knew ahead of time.

No, Prince Harry & Meghan Markle Didn't Announce Their Pregnancy at Eugenie & Jack's Wedding

Everyone calm down.

www.harpersbazaar.com

I guess we really shouldn't care one way or the other.

 

[taf2002]

I'm surprised that there was any concern about how quickly Meghan got pregnant. I thought it was the duty of royal wives to immediately squeeze out babies.

 

[mjb52]

Ah, I see it is much more ambiguous than I thought. The aforementioned advice columns left me with a picture of something a lot more dramatic. That doesn't sound too bad to me.

 

[overedge]

If we're going to get all etiquette-y, there is a very big difference in "announcement" between e.g. giving a toast or a speech on a microphone to the entire room and saying something like "Harry and I hope you will be as happy as we are, especially with our baby on the way", and sitting at a table with a few people and declining a drink and then explaning why.

The first is in really bad taste. The second, not so much.

 

[canbelto]

Some of the more interesting tidbits from the Scobie book aren't explained. For instance Harry and Meghan fired their "night nanny" on the 'second night' because she was 'unprofessional' but that was it. Did she show up late? Accidentally drop Archie? No details.

 

[MacMadame]

Some of the more interesting tidbits from the Scobie book aren't explained. For instance Harry and Meghan fired their "night nanny" on the 'second night' because she was 'unprofessional' but that was it. Did she show up late? Accidentally drop Archie? No details.

This is why I can believe that H+M didn't directly help with the book. Details like that would be in it if they had.

My immediate reaction was that she was stoned or playing on her phone instead of watching Archie. Mostly because those are the sorts of issues that real people have trying to get in-home care.

 

[kittyjake5]

H&M volunteering at LA School

Prince Harry and Meghan hand out school supplies at Hollywood favourite children's charity

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex wore masks for a post-royal engagement at Baby2Baby in Los Angeles

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[becca]

Agreed. It's hilarious those pushing forward Beatrice & Eugenie so strongly, forgetting what a disastrous mess their mother was in Meghan's role.

None of the women who marry into the BRF have deserved the toxicity they received from the press, courtiers, etc. Not Kate when she was caught in a bad look on camera-- skirt flying up and topless photos with a telelens. Not Fergie and the "Duchess of Pork" gobshite. None of them. This "she needs to learn to suck it up for the crown" garbage has got to end.

And all this bullshit about "H&M just don't like to fall back in line." I wouldn't want important charity work I do to take a backseat to stuffy bullshit just on account of birth order, all in servitude of an institution that needs to end. H&M have every right to feel their work is just as important as Will & Catherine's, considering the work-shyness of the latter, for example. So, they ask for more freedom to pursue more projects that are meaningful to them. None of that is a problem, unless you too believe the monarchy's bullshit comes before the important work they're actually supposed to be doing-- including great environmental initiatives from Charles, etc.

Lastly, I still don't understand the nature of said pregnancy announcement, either. Did Meghan grab the mic and let all the guests know? Did she share it with people near to them because they were physically gathered together-- albeit for another event? Did someone ask and she just let fly? Like, all this hang-wringing over her being selfish is massively stupid period, but imagine it was a small comment that's become this massive thing?

I am not pushing Andrews daughters never said they should have a larger role I think Charles is right to want slimmer monarchy.

They aren’t responsible for their parents and have done nothing to embarrass their family something Harry cannot say.

Except for the fact that Camilla was doing a speech on domestic violence. Kate an early childhood initiative.

It is what it is. There are problems and issues with the monarchy and issues without it. There are benefits to having a non political king or Queen handling state affairs. If Meghan and Harry don’t believe in the royal family they shouldn’t be a part of it.

 

[canbelto]

Except for the fact that Camilla was doing a speech on domestic violence. Kate an early childhood initiative.

It is what it is. There are problems and issues with the monarchy and issues without it. There are benefits to having a non political king or Queen handling state affairs. If Meghan and Harry don’t believe in the royal family they shouldn’t be a part of it.

I actually don't know what problems there would be without a BRF. Realistically how would the lives of everyday Britons be affected? They have no political power.

 

[becca]

I actually don't know what problems there would be without a BRF. Realistically how would the lives of everyday Britons be affected? They have no political power.

I think our system in US where we have head of State and President combined carries its issues.

A monarch who is non political can be a rallying point for their people. A monarch can be a diplomat in deals with other countries. And once again above politics. Monarchies provide stability and for example British elections are cheaper.

Of course a lot comes down to whether or not you have a good one or a bad one.

My understanding is Prince Charles has really made a point to use a lot of the Cornwall funds for example for Charity not all Prince of Wales have.

 

[overedge]

A monarch who is non political can be a rallying point for their people. A monarch can be a diplomat in deals with other countries. And once again above politics.

If a monarch is rallying the people or being a diplomat, then they are being political.

My understanding is Prince Charles has really made a point to use a lot of the Cornwall funds for example for Charity not all Prince of Wales have.

Oh really? The Duchy paid nearly 5 million UK pounds last year to support H&M and William and Kate:

Annual Review 2017-2018 | Prince of Wales

www.princeofwales.gov.uk

and donated about 140,000 UK pounds to charity.

About the register of charities

beta.charitycommission.gov.uk

 

[becca]

If a monarch is rallying the people or being a diplomat, then they are being political.



Oh really? The Duchy paid nearly 5 million UK pounds last year to support H&M and William and Kate:

Annual Review 2017-2018 | Prince of Wales

www.princeofwales.gov.uk

and donated about 140,000 UK pounds to charity.

About the register of charities

beta.charitycommission.gov.uk

No being a rallying point isn't necessarily political.. Nor is necessarily being a diplomat if you remain one no matter who is in office. The Queen receives Trump she receives Obama. For example, a country goes to war they rally around Queen regardless of how they feel about the Prime Minister.

Or during the current crisis the Queen can give recommendations and her recommendations are not seen as political whereas here in the US you have well the virus used as political football. Not saying its great but....There are benefits to having a head of state that isn't political

 

[overedge]

@becca being a "rallying point" is nothing other than being political. If people are rallying around the Queen or any other leader during a war, they are supporting that leader and their country. That's political because it's supporting one side in a conflict and not the other side.

Interesting that you don't have anything to say about the Duchy of Cornwall giving way more money to Charles' kids than it does to charity

 

[MacMadame]

No country needs royalty. There are way more successful countries without them than with them that have no problem rallying their country and receiving other heads of state.