2019-20 Canadian ladies news and updates

Only one US lady (Alyssa Liu) might be close to par with those Russian Senior baby quadsters, but at this point no Canadian lady junior or senior is anywhere near that level.

At some point growth and maturity could stymie Alyssa and one or more of the current crop of Russian senior wonderbabies.

While both Gabrielle and Aurora are well past that stage, one is dealing with emotional issues and the other with injury.
 
screech said:
Jennifer Robinson did as well, I think.
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There were a couple articles written around the time Jennifer and Joannie Rochette were inducted to the Skate Canada Hall of Fame (2017).

Jennifer coached at Mariposa until she and family moved east to Eganville (husband Shane Dennison's hometown) around 2012/3. She still gives clinics/seminars at Eganville Skating Club, but the IceNetwork article mentioned that she is now an Admin Assistant (Shane is in Insurance).

Which begs the question: what's the realistic future of Mariposa?
 
I hear a lot about Alison’s connection to the music and performance, yet I think she’s improving. I’ve been watching Alison since Pre juvenile.
She may not be Kaiya, but these are young teenagers, and Kaiyas mom has more energy then all the junior ladies put together. I saw her at a competition bouncing through the stands, so not surprising to see Kaiya perform.
It’s junior, we are here to support and cheer the kids on.
I’m sure Kaetlyn at 14-16 had her struggles but stayed focus and found her way, I believe Alison will too. I believe in Kaiya, but don’t hold them to much until they are a little older then she is.
 
Summer/fall scores over 140- Juniors and Seniors combined- (intl in parentheses)

Aurora Cotop 167
Emily Bausback 161 (JGP 158)
Kim Decelles 158
Kaiya Ruiter 158 (JGP 151)
Hannah Dawson 157 (USFS Intl 138)
Michelle Long 154 (Autumn 149)
Madeline Schizas 152
Alicia Pineault 152 (USFS Intl 138)
Sarah-Maude Blanchard 152
Veronik Mallet (Autumn 147)
Sarah Tamura 146
Emily Millard 144
Amanda Tobin 143
Amelia Orzel 142 (JGP 131)
Olivia Farrow 140
Viviane Maltais 140
Rinka Watanabe 140
 
AngieNikodinovLove said:
^^^ Schumacher was under 140 at her first JGP?
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130. That was a really rough one for her.

Vase said:
I’m sure Kaetlyn at 14-16 had her struggles but stayed focus and found her way, I believe Alison will too. I believe in Kaiya, but don’t hold them to much until they are a little older then she is.
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The junior ranks have changed so much since Kaetlyn was in them that it's a bit hard to compare, both in terms of the overall level of competition and people's awareness of it (this being pre-Ted), but she was kind of a nobody as a junior until the very end.
 
I was just meaning I like to see a long term athlete, striving and accomplishing goals, knowing they are gonna have challenges but pull through, or at least try. Skating has changed so much and we have no idea what will be of these little firecrackers that are doing triples and quads at a very young age. I just hope they have a coach looking out for them,
 
Seerek said:
There were a couple articles written around the time Jennifer and Joannie Rochette were inducted to the Skate Canada Hall of Fame (2017).

Jennifer coached at Mariposa until she and family moved east to Eganville (husband Shane Dennison's hometown) around 2012/3. She still gives clinics/seminars at Eganville Skating Club, but the IceNetwork article mentioned that she is now an Admin Assistant (Shane is in Insurance).

Which begs the question: what's the realistic future of Mariposa?
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Does anyone find it a little odd that Skate Canada chose to induct Rochette and Robinson at the same time? Weird decision IMO.
 
Colonel Green said:
The junior ranks have changed so much since Kaetlyn was in them that it's a bit hard to compare, both in terms of the overall level of competition and people's awareness of it (this being pre-Ted), but she was kind of a nobody as a junior until the very end.
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I think the level of competition was very high when Kaetlyn was competing in juniors - it was part of the reason she just barely made the top 10 at her one appearance at junior worlds. But the podium that year was Lipnitskaya, Gold, and Sotnikova with Miyahara finishing fourth and Tuktamysheva opting to compete in YOG rather than world juniors that year. All five of them were doing the full array of triples and triple-triples...I would say that Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva the year before had started the Russian ladies dominance on the JGP (which was Kaetlyn’s one and only season on the JGP).

Anyway, the more important point was that Kaetlyn was a late bloomer, which I agree with and has been the case for a lot of successful Canadian skaters - Kurt Browning probably the most notable, but also Jeff Buttle, Duhamel and Radford, etc.
 
It must be so hard for ladies particularly, to train and compete at the elite level.

Now, with seven triple free skates expected and the new normal, along with triple axels and quads thrown into the mix, anyone that owns any less than that is immediately at a serious disadvantage.

I imagine some athletes and their teams are probably doing a lot of serious soul - searching, either reevaluating their international potential, or certainly, their short and long term personal goals.

Compete for the process. Sure! But actually winning takes so much more these days.
 
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Compete for the process. Sure! But actually winning takes so much more these days.
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The question is, will this make the sport dwindle...or atleast in ladies. Is it Russia and USA the only countries with the quads?
 
AngieNikodinovLove said:
The question is, will this make the sport dwindle...or atleast in ladies. Is it Russia and USA the only countries with the quads?
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My hope is that lots of girls coming up in FS will be training the 3X or quad. The ladies field has stagnated at times.

However, I have heard that doing 3As and quads is difficult for mature ladies because they don't have the upper body strength. But that is questionable, given that at least some younger girls are doing those jumps.

I also wonder if there aren't training techniques in place specifically to help girls/young woman do those jumps.
 
Japanfan said:
My hope is that lots of girls coming up in FS will be training the 3X or quad. The ladies field has stagnated at times.

However, I have heard that doing 3As and quads is difficult for mature ladies because they don't have the upper body strength. But that is questionable, given that at least some younger girls are doing those jumps.

I also wonder if there aren't training techniques in place specifically to help girls/young woman do those jumps.
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The impression I am getting is that triple axels and quads are something that many of the ladies learn before hitting puberty. How well they adjust after puberty, and indeed if they are able to maintain these jumps, is the question.

I believe Tuktamysheva was landing triple axels in practice at thirteen. But didn't debut the jump in international competition until she was seventeen. Like Midori Ito and Tonya Harding, with her compact build, it helps that she also appears to have a very strong upper body.

She is probably one of the few exceptions to the rule, though.
 
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I agree that the jury is still out on female skaters retaining these challenging jumps after puberty. In the meantime I hope the sport doesn't lose a lot of later bloomers who get discouraged.
 
Japanfan said:
My hope is that lots of girls coming up in FS will be training the 3X or quad. The ladies field has stagnated at times.

However, I have heard that doing 3As and quads is difficult for mature ladies because they don't have the upper body strength. But that is questionable, given that at least some younger girls are doing those jumps.

I also wonder if there aren't training techniques in place specifically to help girls/young woman do those jumps.
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Thats weird... that wasnt my quote that you are quoting..... hmm.
 
Now Bausback and Schumacher have higher ISU season best scores than the four Canadians who skated at senior international events. I hope both will get a senior international assignment before nationals. Ruiter has also outscored the seniors and she has a great chance of bettering her score at her next assignment (of course she's too young for senior events).
 
haribobo said:
Summer/fall scores over 140- Juniors and Seniors combined- (intl in parentheses)
Aurora Cotop 167
Emily Bausback 161 (JGP 158)
Kim Decelles 158
Kaiya Ruiter 158 (JGP 151)
Hannah Dawson 157 (USFS Intl 138)
Michelle Long 154 (Autumn 149)
Madeline Schizas 152
Alicia Pineault 152 (USFS Intl 138)
Sarah-Maude Blanchard 152
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Alison Schumacher (151.86 JGP Zagreb) eta link to hr FS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXNxcPiSJHw
Rinka Watanabe 140
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Rinka skates for JPN (4th in Junior at JPN Nationals; trains in Burnaby).

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AngieNikodinovLove said:
Thats weird... that wasnt my quote that you are quoting..... hmm.
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That's 'cause you messed up the quote in post #318.
 
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Japanfan said:
My hope is that lots of girls coming up in FS will be training the 3X or quad. The ladies field has stagnated at times.

However, I have heard that doing 3As and quads is difficult for mature ladies because they don't have the upper body strength. But that is questionable, given that at least some younger girls are doing those jumps.

I also wonder if there aren't training techniques in place specifically to help girls/young woman do those jumps.
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We are in uncharted territory when it comes to Ladies and the quads. We will find out in the next 2-3 years whether these girls will keep the quads when they shoot up 4-5 inches and their bodies change from tiny girls to young women.
 
Jammers said:
We are in uncharted territory when it comes to Ladies and the quads. We will find out in the next 2-3 years whether these girls will keep the quads when they shoot up 4-5 inches and their bodies change from tiny girls to young women.
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Yes I agree, Meghan and Kirsten are maybe not even 5ft, they are ‘tiny women’ but they do not have the tiny little body of these young 13-15yr olds. So growth will come even if they stay 5ft tall.
 
essence_of_soy said:
The impression I am getting is that triple axels and quads are something that many of the ladies learn before hitting puberty. How well they adjust after puberty, and indeed if they are able to maintain these jumps, is the question.

I believe Tuktamysheva was landing triple axels in practice at thirteen. But didn't debut the jump in international competition until she was seventeen. Like Midori Ito and Tonya Harding, with her compact build, it helps that she also appears to have a very strong upper body.

Jammers said:
We are in uncharted territory when it comes to Ladies and the quads. We will find out in the next 2-3 years whether these girls will keep the quads when they shoot up 4-5 inches and their bodies change from tiny girls to young women.
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My question is whether a lack of upper body strength is the reason why post-pubescent ladies can't or don't do triple axels or quals. It's possible that the focus on being thin is a trade-off. Although men have the focus as well and only recently has EDs among male skaters received attention, it's not quite to the same extent as women.

I think there may be a lack of training techniques in place to specifically help women land those jumps. That would make sense, given that so few women are trying them.
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