Royalty Thread #9. Welcome Archie, the red headed heir, don’t care!

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I don't understand your last statement.

My point was that announcing what you are NOT going to tell people is not the way to diminish interest or keep the press away. If you want something to be private, keep it private.

Have the christening and then, if you must, release a photo or two after the event. I am at a loss as to why this is so complicated. It seems like PR 101 to me.
 
I read that anyone who pays the fee (currently 30 pounds) can view the register (including the names of the godparents) of any baptism conducted in the Church of England.

In this case, the baptism is taking place at the private family chapel inside Windsor Castle (as I suspected it might). I'm also not surprised that Archie's godparents prefer not to be announced. Chris Ship and other reporters have been told by their sources that the godparents who were chosen are all private citizens and friends of Harry & Meghan. It is possible to guess who some of them might be: I believe Genevieve Hillis and Lindsay Roth, both of whom are college friends of Meghan's were probably chosen. Both ladies were with Meghan at Wimbledon yesterday:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-pTMJBWsAU_Lpn.jpg:large Hillis is on the left; Roth is on the right

I also think it's possible that Meghan's friend, Markus Anderson of Soho House, was chosen. On Harry's side, possibly one of the van Straubenzee brothers, Mark Dyer (Harry's mentor), and perhaps one of the Spencer cousins or one of Diana's siblings were selected. I think the criticism and fuss over no godparent announcement and no filming of arrivals is ridiculous.

A number of Meghan's friends and relatives have been harassed from day one by the media, and by haters on the Internet. A British woman who was erroneously suspected to be serving as a doula for Meghan was hounded by paparazzi and bombarded by phone calls to her unlisted home number, and she's never even met Meghan. A medical doctor who was once associated with Meghan in California was tracked down and harassed by the media. The Sussexes have also received death threats. A perpetrator was arrested by Scotland Yard. That story has not been widely disseminated. It's understandable that Archie's godparents in the current OTT climate do not wish to be formally identified.

BTW, all royal christenings are 'private,' but those in immediate direct line to the throne who are working royals generally have some details released, along with photos. The public will see official photos of the Sussexes, Wales grandparents, and the Cambridges, et al, taken after Archie's christening. I don't see why that isn't sufficient. The press apparently would like the ability to have at least pool photographers and reporters set up to record arrivals, but that can't happen anyway, as the christening is taking place inside Windsor Castle's private chapel.

As far as the press being able to find out by seeking the church register, that won't be as easy as some people seem to think. The Windsor Castle chapel is private, and St. George's chapel at Windsor is a royal peculiar* under the Queen's jurisdiction. Any attempt to view official Windsor chapel or St. George's chapel registers would have to be approved by Archie's paternal great-grandmother. :rofl: I don't see that ever happening. Not that it isn't possible to guess some of the godparents' identities or to eventually find out some information via leaks.

*royal peculiar = "a Church of England parish or church exempt from the jurisdiction of the diocese... and subject to the direct jurisdiction of the monarch."

Those who think Meghan and Harry are unnecessarily making announcements, think again. M&H have said nothing directly. BP has released an official announcement about the christening, and some of the media were alerted in advance, but not by the Sussexes. :drama: The press often make inquiries and royal communication staff are accustomed to providing official information about the activities of the royals when deemed necessary. For example, Zara Tindall was said to be upset when media intruded and took pictures of arrivals at her second daughter's christening earlier this year. Neither Zara nor her family are working members of the royal family and no official announcements were made of any kind about her daughter's christening.

Of course Archie's christening would be addressed beforehand since Harry & Meghan are working royals, and they are willing to share some details about Archie for those who bear goodwill. But make no mistake that Prince Harry is trying to protect his family from undue intrusion, and he seems to want Archie to not have to face the kind of scrutiny he grew up dealing with. IMO, the way Meghan is constantly criticized in some quarters of the media only makes Harry less amenable to being forthcoming.

Both Harry and William have been impacted by what happened to their mother. They were unable to protect her from the media, so they will move heaven and earth to protect their families. In Harry's case, I think it's obvious that right now he is sending the message that his son will be raised in as private a way as possible. The Cambridge children will be working royals, so how things were handled at their christenings is different. I think Meghan is in agreement with Harry's wishes, but that she would probably be a bit more relaxed about sharing, if not for the OTT negativity and the fact of a 24/7 royal fishbowl being a drawback to being more open. Perhaps we will get to see something of Frogmore Cottage, the dogs, and Archie in the September issue of British Vogue, which Meghan is said to be guest-editing. But there's no guarantee. In any case, no matter what the Sussexes do or don't do, they will be criticized.

Some royal reporters want to have their cake and eat it too. The media's narrative has been how far Harry and Archie are from the throne which makes them 'less important,' which is not far from being accurate, particularly as time goes on and the Cambridge children come of age. It's just that the tone of such media comments is always negative and overly contradictory. The issue right now is that the Sussexes are popular and there's a lot of interest in them (well meaning and negative), and so stories about them (whether made-up or legitimate) are lucrative for the media and paparazzi.
 
... (not to mention the public money that supports them)...

FYI: the Sussexes and the entire royal family are independently wealthy. Yes, the British public pays taxes which go to support the public functions of the working royals. Much of the public funds though pay for the cost of security for the royals (which unfortunately is an absolute necessity). I am reminded of when an attempt was made to kidnap Princess Anne during the 1970s. And there was an intruder at one of the palaces many years ago who managed to find his way to the Queen's bedroom. :eek:

Kate's and Meghan's public wardrobes are paid for by Prince Charles (via the Duchy of Cornwall). Both duchesses pay out of pocket for their private wardrobes. Furthermore, Prince Charles has done exemplary and innovative work in growing and developing the successful productivity of the duchy. A lot of people don't seem to realize how hardworking and forward-thinking Prince Charles actually is. The recent BBC documentary from last year, Prince Charles: Son & Heir, is very revealing about all the good work Prince Charles has accomplished in his life. Of course, the documentary is also about generating positive p.r. for Charles, which is not an out-of-the-ordinary procedure. The British royals certainly aren't perfect, they are human. There are no human beings who are perfect.

If you are by chance referencing the renovations to Frogmore Cottage which roughly equate to about $3 million, so what? FYI: Frogmore Cottage is a grade-II listed Crown Estate property, which was in dire need of an upgrade in any case. The upgrade brings beneficial value to the whole of Windsor Great Park and to future generations of royals, and to the public if the property ever becomes open to visitors or is used for other than residential purposes in the very distant future. Harry and Meghan are the current royal occupants of Frogmore Cottage by the Queen's permission. They reside there, but they do not own the property. It has been reported that Harry & Meghan paid for all of their interior furnishings. And btw, they were also gifted by the Queen their choice of art from the Royal Collection to help beautify their living spaces. That's a benevolence the Queen bestows upon all of her family members. :D

In addition, the renovations to KP's 21-room Apt 1A where William and Catherine reside reportedly cost about a million and a half more than the renovations to Frogmore Cottage. There were stories about the cost of those renovations too, but not the overly incessant carping and connecting the costs to completely different matters which we are seeing happen in the case of the Sussexes.

It all boils down to the fact that the royals are wealthy and privileged. If British taxpayers want to do away with the monarchy after Queen Elizabeth II passes away, they have that right. It won't adversely impact any of the remaining royals. Such a development will however financially adversely impact the British public via the economy. Most likely the royals who are passionate about trying to do good work for their patronages and charities will continue finding a way to give back, but perhaps some of the OTT pressures and public scrutiny and certainly their public duties will cease.

The most bother perhaps is that the royals will have to pay for their own personal security, and some kind of arrangements will have to be negotiated regarding financial matters associated with Crown Estate properties, including Buckingham Palace, Kensington Palace, Windsor Castle, et al, which are not outright owned by the monarchy. Still, the royals won't be hurting for places to live, as some properties, including Sandringham are outright owned by the Queen and her family. Once again, the British royal family are wealthy beyond measure and they also have wealthy friends and lasting social stature. ;) Prince Philip reportedly once said: "Buggers, if they don't want us, we'll go away quietly." :lol:
 
In other news, Kate revealed that Prince George played tennis recently with Roger Federer, who is a family friend of the Cambridges:

So will either Charlotte or George grow up to become tennis players? (Tennis is a passion of the Middletons). Or will either of them become members of the royal ballet? (Dance was a passion of their grandmother Diana, and they are both taking ballet classes, just as they have both learned to play tennis). :)
 
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It is a thing. It is optimal. Are all babies and mothers doomed if it doesn't happen? Of course not.

Do people get crazy and judgmental around all this stuff? Yep. It becomes like a religion.

As an aside, when my grandchildren were applying "THE" school in Los Angeles, one of the questions for the parents was "Was the baby born naturally or by C Section? Huh? They wanted to make sure they had a diverse student body. What whakadoodle came up with that one?
It was on my daughter's applications to private school. Along with, was she full term or premature, how many ear infections she had had, etc.
 
My point was that announcing what you are NOT going to tell people is not the way to diminish interest or keep the press away. If you want something to be private, keep it private.

Have the christening and then, if you must, release a photo or two after the event. I am at a loss as to why this is so complicated. It seems like PR 101 to me.
Absolutely agree 100%
 
I don't know about the rest of you but I'm looking forward to any crumbs of info or pictures tomorrow. I'm hoping for a better picture of Archie. It will be interesting to see who he looks like. Just because the ceremony is private doesn't mean they won't release a few pictures, at least I hope so. BTW judging by the Wimbledon pictures it looks like Meghan has mostly lost the baby weight. She looks good & she really looked happy.
 
I hope their desire for "privacy"/a private life, doesn't backfire; and create negative consequences which would follow them, permanently.
They might be better served by giving the media/public a press release, a few photographs, with selected details of the event.
 
Lovely and charming.
I'm happy to see the "family portrait".

The photo of Archie in his mother's lap is beautiful.
It appears he is a redhead!
 
I love this photo. Archie looks like he has red hair but otherwise favors Meghan facially. Like that they included Diana's sisters too.
 
To my eye Archie looks a lot like Harry did as a baby. It will be fun to watch him grow up. I am sure we will start to see more of Meghan in him as he ages, especially in his expressions. Does anyone know what colour hair Meghan’s dad had when he was young? I am not an experts, but I think red hair is recessive so Archie must have a gene from both sides?
 
I like Kate's red accessories with that pink dress. Everyone else looks very nice, and the baby is cute - as a baby ought to be :)

It's interesting that Harry's maternal aunts are in the official picture and his uncle isn't, but I guess they aren't all that close? You can certainly see the resemblance between Harry and Lady Sarah.

To my eye Archie looks a lot like Harry did as a baby. It will be fun to watch him grow up. I am sure we will start to see more of Meghan in him as he ages, especially in his expressions. Does anyone know what colour hair Meghan’s dad had when he was young? I am not an experts, but I think red hair is recessive so Archie must have a gene from both sides?
Check out the pic of her brother in this article.
 
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Check out the pic of her brother in this article.

Okay, so definitely some red hair genes! Unfortunately perhaps also some early pattern baldness as well although he has a different mother so hopefully that is not a trait Meghan carries. The Windsor family has more than enough baldness all on its own!
 
What a great family photo from the christening, everyone looks great! Doria looks lovely in that color! I’m glad to see that the Spencer sisters were included as well.
 
To my eye Archie looks a lot like Harry did as a baby. It will be fun to watch him grow up. I am sure we will start to see more of Meghan in him as he ages, especially in his expressions. Does anyone know what colour hair Meghan’s dad had when he was young? I am not an experts, but I think red hair is recessive so Archie must have a gene from both sides?

I'm always amazed that anyone can see either parent in a 2 month old baby - I never really start to notice things like that until the kid is at least 12 months old and has grown into their features a bit more. That's not a dig at you @mag just a general observation.:)

Okay, so definitely some red hair genes! Unfortunately perhaps also some early pattern baldness as well although he has a different mother so hopefully that is not a trait Meghan carries. The Windsor family has more than enough baldness all on its own!

Oh come on - the poor thing is barely 2 months old and as we can see has a little light reddish fluff on his noggin - how on earth can you determine early pattern baldness from that. Most 2 month old babies have little hair - especially if it is light in colour. Give Archie a chance to develop and grow before assigning him to being a baldy in his mid-thirties like his Uncle William and unfortunately like his own papa ;)

He is a cute kid - though all the royal babies have been cute - and it will be nice to see him as he grows and develops his own little character.

And nice to see Doria looking elegant - the colour does suit her - and the Spencer sisters also - though not surprised to not see Earl Spencer who I don't think is as close to his nephews as Diana's sisters are!!
 
I hope their desire for "privacy"/a private life, doesn't backfire; and create negative consequences which would follow them, permanently.
They might be better served by giving the media/public a press release, a few photographs, with selected details of the event.
Yep. But doing it this way creates more buzz.
If they want privacy - no problem. Just have the Christening, and then release the lovely information with a couple of pictures.

Hollywood stars often tip off the press about where they are going to be so the press shows up, and it creates more buzz and publicity for them. It becomes a mystery. And creates the illusion that they are soooo famous the papparazzi stalk them everywhere.

Really, if you want to keep something private.....stop talking about it. Of course, then you would not have people tracking you, hidden in the bushes, peeking around corners trying to get a glimpse.
 
It is hard to tell who Archie will look like until he loses those chubby cheeks but his eye shape is exactly like Harry's. I don't love Doria's hat (but then I don't love anyone's) but the color is great on her. The photo is beautiful.

Note: lately Kate has been wearing something fussy at the throat which is not my taste. To me it looks like 80's style coming back. :scream:
 
I like the green and gold room they are in, so fancy!
Babies features change - a lot. I’m really glad my kids ended up not looking like me at all. My son is totally my husband, and my daughter looks like my mom, so they ended up with the better genes. :glamor:
 
I like the green and gold room they are in, so fancy!
Babies features change - a lot. I’m really glad my kids ended up not looking like me at all. My son is totally my husband, and my daughter looks like my mom, so they ended up with the better genes. :glamor:

It's the Green Sitting Room at Windsor Castle - a Semi-State room. It's the same room that Harry and Meghan's Wedding photos were taken in.

Green Sitting Room Windsor Castle
 
I"m glad we finally have a real, whole, photo of Archie, rather than just an eyebrow and a hand holding on to Prince Harry's middle finger. It does look like there might be a bit of ginger to him, which would make sense if her father's side has it too... he does look a bit like Harry in this photo (in the first photo I thought he looked all mum) but his face is more rounded than Harry's was at that age. But, as we all know, babies change a ton and it's fun to witness those changes. He's a nice looking boy.

Nice to see Diana's sisters in that photo. Well, if she can't be there they are the next closest thing... and yeah, that neck bow around Kate's neck... very '80s... makes her look kind of frumpy even if you see it more and more these days. And Prince Charles is getting shorter and shorter... which, of course, happens with time. And, um, not a fan of Harry's shoes for this kind of event....
 
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Looking at Harry's & Meghan's baby pictures Archie seems to be all Meghan except the eye shape. The hair does not look ginger to me. What little there is looks dark brown.
 
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