Royalty Thread #9. Welcome Archie, the red headed heir, don’t care!

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In regard to the show parody, I assume that many posters here are old enough to remember Spitting Image; it ran in the UK for years and even made American television for occasional specials on NBC in the 80s. Parody and satire goes with the job when you are a public figure. This bit is from 1985:

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Spitting Image - Royal Family Breakfast/Cecil Parkinson

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Satirizing and parodying the royal family isn't something new just because of Meghan.

@Vagabond The trouble for Harry & Meghan is that they are public figures who have their status due to public support monetary or otherwise. If they want to be regarded as humanitarians focused on charity, a little less bling and a little more Princess Anne like choices would serve them better.
 
There was a close up picture of the rings on FB today. There was a really skinny yellow gold plain band & a skinny eternity ring & what looked like the original engagement ring. If there was a change I couldn't tell. Once again a tempest in a teapot. At least it gave the haters more ammunition. Enjoy!
 
PDilemma said:
@Vagabond The trouble for Harry & Meghan is that they are public figures who have their status due to public support monetary or otherwise. If they want to be regarded as humanitarians focused on charity, a little less bling and a little more Princess Anne like choices would serve them better.
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Children tend to take after their parents. Diana despite her rep as the "people's princess" had expensive tastes, and William and Harry are no different. Kate developed expensive tastes, and most Hollywood actresses like Meghan develop expensive tastes too.

The queen's frugality is an exception. Remember the staggeringly expensive tastes of Fergie?

What surprises me more are people like Pippa Middleton who now seems to have more expensive tastes than all the royals combined.
 
PDilemma said:
@Vagabond The trouble for Harry & Meghan is that they are public figures who have their status due to public support monetary or otherwise. If they want to be regarded as humanitarians focused on charity, a little less bling and a little more Princess Anne like choices would serve them better.
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Why?

The Duchess of Sussex was wealthy (if not stunningly wealthy) from her earned income as an actress even before she met her husband. The Duke of Sussex is wealthy because he inherited a fortune from his mother, not because of government payments.

Would it have been so terrible if Melinda Gates, Flora Hewlett, Lucille Packard, or Catherine T. MacArthur -- philanthropists all -- spend some of her money on getting her engagement rings modified?

I may condemn the way Leona Helmsley treated other people, but given that she started a charity that is now worth over $5.5 million dollars, I would not begrudge her spending a few thousand dollars on bling. :glamor:
 
People will live to their income means. The Royals do work, maybe not the things that commoners consider work, but they do have expectations of appearances, and other stuff.

Not necessarily the type of stuff I would like - people wanting to touch your hand, people crowding in on your personal space, people wanting photo ops, people watching your every move, expect you to be perfect and "on" at all times. I might like the dress up and tiaras and stuff, but not the other stuff.

Imagine needing to use the water closet urgently and you are in procession :yikes:

So if it makes Meghan and Harry happy to spend some of their income in redesigning wedding rings, good for them
 
I would have an issue with it if Harry and Meghan had at some point presented themselves as poor relations who were hard done by while other Royals live the high life. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think they have ever done anything to hide the fact that they are wealthy beyond what the vast majority of people even aspire to.

Yes, there is the kitschy “we were making chicken for dinner” comment during their engagement interview, but as annoying as those sorts of “we are just like everyone else” comments are, that is what royals and wealthy people seem to think is required of them these days. As @canbelto pointed out, Diana flaunting her wealth every chance she got certainly didn’t seem to hurt her popularity. I am sure Harry and Meghan will survive ringgate as well.
 
Anyone find the royal calender somewhat weird? After the flurry of May/June activities (garden party, trooping, garter, Ascot) most of the royals are on hiatus for the rest of the summer. Some of them don't stop working but all of them are SUPPOSED to go to their country retreats and chill out for the rest of the summer. W&K are headed to Anmar, the Queen to Balmoral, Charles and Camila to Highgrove, Harry and Meghan are already ensconced at Frogmore Cottage so I don't know where their retreat would be.
 
mag said:
They are, after all, a girl’s best friend!
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Not this girl. I actually am not particularly fond of diamonds. I have a platinum gold heirloom wedding ring that I can't wear because I'm allergic to the metal. There is a process for determining what's causing the allergy (and presumably correcting it), but it's very time consuming and expensive. I just didn't want to be bothered with it.

once_upon said:
People will live to their income means. The Royals do work, maybe not the things that commoners consider work, but they do have expectations of appearances, and other stuff.

Not necessarily the type of stuff I would like - people wanting to touch your hand, people crowding in on your personal space, people wanting photo ops, people watching your every move, expect you to be perfect and "on" at all times. I might like the dress up and tiaras and stuff, but not the other stuff.
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This. The Royals do a lot more to warrant their wealth than a lot of wealthy celebrities, who make a movie or show every once in a while, and otherwise just lead the good life.

Imagine needing to use the water closet urgently and you are in procession :yikes:
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I bet one would learn very quickly how much water once could drink before a procession. One might just have to thirsty sometimes, which would be a drag.

If not, there is always Attends. :eek: :scream:
 
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Kate has a new patronage - The Royal Photographic Society.

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Kate Middleton Just Wore the Perfect Summer Dress and Espadrilles

The Duchess of Cambridge celebrates her new royal patronage from the queen.
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“...The workshop was run in partnership with another one of Kate's patronages, Action for Children, a charity that supports disadvantaged young people through fostering and adoption. The event aimed to "highlight how photography provides a universal language for young people to express themselves and release their thoughts and feelings," according to a release from the palace.”
 
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Nice to hear the William and Kate have discussed this:

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How Prince William Would Respond If His Kids Came Out as LGBTQ

Prince William shared how he would respond if his and Duchess Kate’s kids came out as LGBTQ in the future — read more for details
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TMZ

If you scroll down the news feed, and select How the Prince would Respond..........there is an interview where you can see and hear exactly what he said to one of the kids he was talking with.
 
Oh dear! Charles has decided that taking a patronage of an organization, that is scamming people out of their hard earned money, is a good idea.

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Prince Charles becomes patron of homeopathy group

Royal criticised for continuing to promote practice by backing the Faculty of Homeopathy
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I do not understand how relatively intelligent people can buy into the idea that water somehow as “memory” and that water and sugar pills can cure anything. It boggles the mind.
 
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Oh dear! Charles has decided that taking a patronage of an organization, that is scamming people out of their hard earned money, is a good idea.

www.theguardian.com

Prince Charles becomes patron of homeopathy group

Royal criticised for continuing to promote practice by backing the Faculty of Homeopathy
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I do not understand how relatively intelligent people can buy into the idea that water somehow as “memory” and that water and sugar pills can cure anything. It boggles the mind.
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There's a bit more to homeopathy than that.

And alternative medicines do have legitimacy. They are not intended to replace western medicine, but rather to complement it.

Chiropractors, osteopaths and homeopaths often study as much as doctors to gain their credentials. https://study.com/articles/How_to_Become_a_Homeopathic_Doctor_Education_and_Career_Roadmap.html

I have an arthritic hip, which has led to lower back problems. I would not be mobile today if not for the work my chiropractor has done on me.

Sorry to go OT.
 
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Japanfan said:
There's a bit more to homeopathy than that.

And alternative medicines do have legitimacy. They are not intended to replace western medicine, but rather to complement it.

Chiropractors, osteopaths and homeopaths often study as much as doctors to gain their credentials. https://study.com/articles/How_to_Become_a_Homeopathic_Doctor_Education_and_Career_Roadmap.html

I have an arthritic hip, which has led to lower back problems. I would not be mobile today if not for the work my chiropractor has done on me.

Sorry to go OT.
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A lot of homeopaths and naturopaths do advocate replacing traditional medicine with their treatments actually. Which can be very dangerous. If they are just added on to western medical treatments, homeopathic treatments should be perfectly safe, but that is not always true. Because there is often not much regulation over their preparation, treatments that are supposed to be mainly water have been sometimes found to have high levels of heavy metals or ethanol.

Traditional homeopathy is based on the law of similars (like cures like) and extensive dilutions with water's "memory" and both concepts have no scientific basis or legitimacy. Naturopathy is a broader term and includes many alternative medicines such as homeopathic treatments, acupuncture, aromatherapy, chiropractics, and much more. Some naturopathic treatments have legitimacy (like acupuncture or chiropractics) and some do not. A lot of them may make people feel better (as long as they don't replace actual medical treatments when necessary), because the placebo effect is very powerful.

Sorry to continue OT, but I took a course last year at my university that discussed this topic.
 
RoseRed said:
A lot of homeopaths and naturopaths do advocate replacing traditional medicine with their treatments actually. Which can be very dangerous. If they are just added on to western medical treatments, homeopathic treatments should be perfectly safe, but that is not always true. Because there is often not much regulation over their preparation, treatments that are supposed to be mainly water have been sometimes found to have high levels of heavy metals or ethanol.

Traditional homeopathy is based on the law of similars (like cures like) and extensive dilutions with water's "memory" and both concepts have no scientific basis or legitimacy. Naturopathy is a broader term and includes many alternative medicines such as homeopathic treatments, acupuncture, aromatherapy, chiropractics, and much more. Some naturopathic treatments have legitimacy (like acupuncture or chiropractics) and some do not. A lot of them may make people feel better (as long as they don't replace actual medical treatments when necessary), because the placebo effect is very powerful.

Sorry to continue OT, but I took a course last year at my university that discussed this topic.
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I don't know much about homeopathy, TBH, and don't really understand what you are saying about water.

I've had wonderful experiences with both acupuncture and chiropractic treatment. And with deep tissue massage. I've edited work for osteopaths, and been really impressed with the depth and scope of their clinical/anatomical knowledge. Chinese medicine is a legitimate medicine, and chiropractic/osteophathic practice is likewise legitimate, and based on science.

I don't respect new-age type practices like aromatherapy, and am rather on the fence about reiki. Don't even get me started on healing touch - which I find invasive and completely ridiculous, TBH. I do believe that some people do, in fact, have a healing touch. But I don't think they need to wave their arms around all over the place to ostensibly be 'moving energy', and don't believe they are doing that. People with a healing touch emanate their energy just by being themselves.

Sorry again to go OT.
 
Japanfan said:
There's a bit more to homeopathy than that.
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No, there isn’t. It is a sham and it is completely irresponsible of Charles to promote it. He is not promoting chiropractic, osteopaths, or any other kind of alternate medicine (I mean, he may believe in those as well, but this is specifically about homeopathy.) There is a lot of crazy alternate stuff out there, but homeopathy is definitely at the top of the woo list. Read the quote below from @RoseRed. That is homeopathy, no matter how “believers” want to dress is up.

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Chiropractors, osteopaths and homeopaths often study as much as doctors to gain their credentials. https://study.com/articles/How_to_Become_a_Homeopathic_Doctor_Education_and_Career_Roadmap.html
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They absolutely might. That means squat. Garbage in, garbage out as the saying goes.

RoseRed said:
Traditional homeopathy is based on the law of similars (like cures like) and extensive dilutions with water's "memory" and both concepts have no scientific basis or legitimacy.
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RoseRed said:
A lot of them may make people feel better (as long as they don't replace actual medical treatments when necessary), because the placebo effect is very powerful.
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Unfortunately, feeling better is not the same as getting better. Patients who start to “feel better” often stop medical treatment. That can be a deadly decision.

Okay, back to the Royals. Sophie Wessex continues to looks very stylish:

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The Countess of Wessex's floral skirt is PERFECT for a summer wedding

Blooming lovely Sophie...
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Japanfan said:
I don't know much about homeopathy, TBH, and don't really understand what you are saying about water.
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They believe that water has a "memory" so if you put a few drops of their "cure" into it and then dilute it so much there isn't any of the active ingredient in it (I can't remember if they dilute it 100s of times or 1000s but it's some ridiculous amount) that somehow the water magically still has the properties of whatever you put in it.

Which is not only woo but it actually defies the laws of physics.
 
MacMadame said:
They believe that water has a "memory" so if you put a few drops of their "cure" into it and then dilute it so much there isn't any of the active ingredient in it (I can't remember if they dilute it 100s of times or 1000s but it's some ridiculous amount) that somehow the water magically still has the properties of whatever you put in it.

Which is not only woo but it actually defies the laws of physics.
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So good info on homeopathy here: homeopathy
 
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