Lubov I. and Charlie B. forms new partnership to compete for Canada

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So will Richard give them equal concern to MTM2 or give them leftovers as MTM2 is his sun,moon and stars. B/B was a great team but somehow Justine had a problem landing throws. She was a good jumper so I don't understand him not being able to fix that problem.

:rolleyes: You never stop, do you? I hope you put as much energy into other things in your life as you do bitching about KMT. What information do you have to support your claim that a Gauthier gives more attention to MT/M than others?

Being a good jumper does not automatically equal good throw lander. Elena Berezhnaya was a very consistent jumper, but struggled with her throws for much of her amateur career. By your logic I assume this is because Moskvina couldn’t be bothered to help her with it?

You have zero reason to believe that Gauthier and crew were not trying to help Justine with the throws. My suspicion is she had a hard time landing them because she was adjusting to someone much bigger than her previous partner throwing her. More height/distance is harder to control. Or maybe Bardei wasn’t a good thrower? The man needs to consistently throw the same way every time to help the woman gain consistency. There are so many variables here. But suggesting it’s because the coaches didn’t try hard enough is just :huh:
 
:rolleyes: You never stop, do you? I hope you put as much energy into other things in your life as you do bitching about KMT. What information do you have to support your claim that a Gauthier gives more attention to MT/M than others?

Being a good jumper does not automatically equal good throw lander. Elena Berezhnaya was a very consistent jumper, but struggled with her throws for much of her amateur career. By your logic I assume this is because Moskvina couldn’t be bothered to help her with it?

You have zero reason to believe that Gauthier and crew were not trying to help Justine with the throws. My suspicion is she had a hard time landing them because she was adjusting to someone much bigger than her previous partner throwing her. More height/distance is harder to control. Or maybe Bardei wasn’t a good thrower? The man needs to consistently throw the same way every time to help the woman gain consistency. There are so many variables here. But suggesting it’s because the coaches didn’t try hard enough is just :huh:
And B/B were coached by Bruno too (he was in the KnC with them at Nationals), so did he also not bother to fix her throws? It's really dumb.
 
I look forward to what Charlie and Lubov can accomplish. I know she can't jump but there are a lot of teams that miss their jumps. Lubov used to do great throws and lifts and is a beautiful skater. I am glad they are starting early to work on being a team.
 
How long are people going to stay angry at Charlie for, I wonder? I guess it depends on how well they do.

Who knows but I totally support Charlie in his decision as Seguin is still not training full time, so what was he suppose to do!?! Put his entire career on hold, waiting to see if Julianne would ever be able to come back to an elite level of skating?

I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision for him to make to move on but his competitive window is so short. Best of luck to Charlie & Lubov and I can't wait to see what the future holds for them as a team.
 
Who knows but I totally support Charlie in his decision as Seguin is still not training full time, so what was he suppose to do!?! Put his entire career on hold, waiting to see if Julianne would ever be able to come back to an elite level of skating?
He could have dealt with the decision very differently. There was no need to tell the media that he was one who decided on the split (putting forth the image of himself as the one who did the dumping rather than the one who was dumped), there was absolutely no need to go on and on in interviews about how he felt he was podium-worthy (and by proxy, she wasn't), there was no need to constantly go to the press about potential partnerships when nothing was official for months. He could have discussed the media message with Julianne and they could have simply told the press that they were splitting due to differences in goals or something along those lines. He was absolutely free and maybe even justified to end the partnership if it wasn't working for him anymore; he could have been respectful to his long-term partner in the way he handled it (not even including the abrupt timing of the split, the way he seemed to have given Julianne no warning even though he'd clearly been thinking about it for awhile, etc.).

Everyone can now jump on this and argue, but I will continue to believe that his behaviour in this situation was not cool.
 
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He could have dealt with the decision very differently. There was no need to tell the media that he was one who decided on the split (putting forth the image of himself as the one who did the dumping rather than the one who was dumped), there was absolutely no need to go on and on interviews about how he felt he was podium-worthy (and by proxy, she wasn't), there was no need to constantly go to the press about potential partnerships when nothing was official for months. He could have discussed the media message with Julianne and they could have simply told the press that they were splitting due to differences in goals or something along those lines. He was absolutely free and maybe even justified to end the partnership if it wasn't working for him anymore; he could have been respectful to his long-term partner in the way he handled it (not even including the abrupt timing of the split, the way he seemed to have given Julianne no warning even though he'd clearly been thinking about it for awhile, etc.).

Everyone can now jump on this and argue, but I will continue to believe that his behaviour in this situation was not cool.

Totally agree. I respect his decision, but I don't think he handled it very well. It makes me wonder what he is like as a person - to treat a partner that he has been with for so long - that way.
 
And B/B were coached by Bruno too (he was in the KnC with them at Nationals), so did he also not bother to fix her throws? It's really dumb.
But Richard is in charge. Coach in charge dictates. They should have just gone to Bruno
 
As others have said, Charlie was entirely within his rights to end the partnership (the past few seasons have clearly been frustrating for them), but the way he went about it doesn’t speak very well of him as a person.

I’m all for Liubov finally getting to go to the Olympics (and Canada can always use more good teams), so I’ll root for the team’s success, but that will be more inspite of Charlie.

But Richard is in charge. Coach in charge dictates. They should have just gone to Bruno
If they thought their coaching arrangement wasn’t working, it’s entirely in their power to change it.

New teams take time to come together, particularly with relatively inexperienced skaters. It’s not a mark of neglect that their throws weren’t perfect right out of the gate.
 
Finally. Congrats and good luck to Lubov and Charlie.

The announcement said that Lubov recently completed her contract with Cirque du Soleil, so I suppose she and Charlie will now be free to get down to the business of serious training, and coming up with programs. Apparently, Gauthier/ Marcotte are considered to be the best go-to pairs coaches. But I'm not so sure that Julie Marcotte is the best pairs choreographer. I think Julie is quite good and she's done a lot of wonderful work, but hopefully skaters will be allowed to explore program and choreo ideas, not just with Julie.

Gauthier/Marcotte have such a ton of skaters, but I don't quite see their operation as a pairs version of Gadbois, so we'll see how things work out. With G/M's help, will Lubov/Charlie (I/B) and M-T/M push each other to great heights, or will one team surpass the other? :COP: As it now stands, Charlie is the better partner, while Kirsten is the more consistent sbs jumper vs Lubov, but Lubov apparently has greater flexibility and lift position bendability. :D We'll see how their respective 3-twists compare.

I'm liking the idea of Lubov & Charlie, but we do need to see them in action, with an M-F Dubreuil 'Chock/Bates' style makeover too!!! And Lubov def needs help figuring out landing her sbs jumps, pronto. That's obviously been her main weakness. Solving that weakness is a must.



:lol: Right.

The most important thing though is that Kirsten, Dylan, and Michael are over it.

Not trying to start trouble here, I personally like all the skaters involved, but did you intentionally forget to include Julianne in in your list of who's "over it?" Anyone know what's going on with her?
 
:rolleyes: You never stop, do you? I hope you put as much energy into other things in your life as you do bitching about KMT. What information do you have to support your claim that a Gauthier gives more attention to MT/M than others?

Being a good jumper does not automatically equal good throw lander. Elena Berezhnaya was a very consistent jumper, but struggled with her throws for much of her amateur career. By your logic I assume this is because Moskvina couldn’t be bothered to help her with it?

You have zero reason to believe that Gauthier and crew were not trying to help Justine with the throws. My suspicion is she had a hard time landing them because she was adjusting to someone much bigger than her previous partner throwing her. More height/distance is harder to control. Or maybe Bardei wasn’t a good thrower? The man needs to consistently throw the same way every time to help the woman gain consistency. There are so many variables here. But suggesting it’s because the coaches didn’t try hard enough is just :huh:

I also see that quality of Harley & partner have dropped since they switched and did not see improvement in the ukranian pair (Annika Duskova & partner). I really don't think you have to worry about my private life.
 
Why can't Lubov complete her jumps? Setting aside that jumps seem to be a throw away element in pairs (and by that I mean pairs seem to be successful without consistent jumps), what might be her problem?

She lands the throws beautifully. In all these years has no one been able to break it down for her. I remember Alyssa C. saying that Jason explained that she needed to think of a jump as a spin. Many of the same dynamics applied. Really curious.
 
I also see that quality of Harley & partner have dropped since they switched and did not see improvement in the ukranian pair (Annika Duskova & partner). I really don't think you have to worry about my private life.

1. You mean the Czech pair.
2. They were only with Bruno and Richard part-time, most of their training was in Prague
3. One of the reasons that they split was that Martin felt that when they trained abroad in Montreal they made way more progress (or something like that), and wanted to do that full-time, and she didn't because of school
 
Totally agree. I respect his decision, but I don't think he handled it very well. It makes me wonder what he is like as a person - to treat a partner that he has been with for so long - that way.
The sad thing is that they weren't (in their own words and from sources I know at Picard's rink) the type of pair that were "business partners" only and didn't really get along off ice. They were very good friends and said in many interviews that they spent most of their time together, even off ice (see this interview and evidence from both their social media sites where they toured the cities where they were competing and explored tourist sites, etc. together). Many fans often mistook them for an off-ice couple. The fact that he was ready to sever the partnership in the way he did (thus likely also destroying their chance of staying friends off-ice) seems very unfortunate.
 
The sad thing is that they weren't (in their own words and from sources I know at Picard's rink) the type of pair that were "business partners" only and didn't really get along off ice. They were very good friends and said in many interviews that they spent most of their time together, even off ice (see this interview and evidence from both their social media sites where they toured the cities where they were competing and explored tourist sites, etc. together). Many fans often mistook them for an off-ice couple. The fact that he was ready to sever the partnership in the way he did (thus likely also destroying their chance of staying friends off-ice) seems very unfortunate.
The thing is, the skaters parents spend a lot of money on their children’s skating. The skaters also must make various sacrifices throughout their childhood. So then when it comes to a difficult decision, whether to keep skating with someone who you really like on a personal level, even if you think the results don’t lead anywhere, or whether you change and hurt the person who is very close to you... it’s a hard decision but they have only limited time to go for it, so I don’t think it is fair to judge him. Especially if we are not in the same situation. How do you know what you would do if you are not in the same situation?
 
The thing is, the skaters parents spend a lot of money on their children’s skating. The skaters also must make various sacrifices throughout their childhood. So then when it comes to a difficult decision, whether to keep skating with someone who you really like on a personal level, even if you think the results don’t lead anywhere, or whether you change and hurt the person who is very close to you... it’s a hard decision but they have only limited time to go for it, so I don’t think it is fair to judge him. Especially if we are not in the same situation. How do you know what you would do if you are not in the same situation?
Your first point is completely valid - if I was good friends with my colleagues and I chose to leave my workplace to take a job that might lead to greater success for me, it would be a tough decision, but one that would be beneficial to my career. However, that is not what I was talking about. I was referring to the fact that Charlie chose to sever the partnership in what I consider a very self-serving way that was disrespectful to his long-time partner, who also happened to be someone he had publicly acknowledged he was close to and considered a close friend. There were many ways he could have handled the difficult situation much more tactfully and still achieved the same end.
 
1. You mean the Czech pair.
2. They were only with Bruno and Richard part-time, most of their training was in Prague
3. One of the reasons that they split was that Martin felt that when they trained abroad in Montreal they made way more progress (or something like that), and wanted to do that full-time, and she didn't because of school
yes they are the ones. I thought he was still in Mtl- looking for a partner...but it has been a bit since I heard anything. They were so good. She is now back on the ice after her injury but just.
 
yes they are the ones. I thought he was still in Mtl- looking for a partner...but it has been a bit since I heard anything. They were so good. She is now back on the ice after her injury but just.
He has a new partner. They did a few B events and qualified to Worlds. I think they're working with his older brother Petr and doing some training in Russia.
 
He could have dealt with the decision very differently.

He could have discussed the media message with Julianne and they could have simply told the press that they were splitting due to differences in goals or something along those lines. He was absolutely free and maybe even justified to end the partnership if it wasn't working for him anymore; he could have been respectful to his long-term partner in the way he handled it (not even including the abrupt timing of the split, the way he seemed to have given Julianne no warning even though he'd clearly been thinking about it for awhile, etc.).

I am 100% behind what you're saying! They should have coordinated their announcement, and presented it together. Even if one partner did not welcome it, the message could still have been "minimal" but firm "due to xxxx different goals/plans we are parting our ways". That should be the case in all partings, divorces, end of business partnerships, athletic alliances.. Contract ended, we're moving on.
 
So will Richard give them equal concern to MTM2 or give them leftovers as MTM2 is his sun,moon and stars. B/B was a great team but somehow Justine had a problem landing throws. She was a good jumper so I don't understand him not being able to fix that problem.
There will now be the coaching team of Anabelle Langois and Cody Hay in Montreal which may give skaters another opportunity. They are well respected and very good coaches.
 
Some people are not yet over that. :shuffle:

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:lol: The most important thing though is that Kirsten, Dylan, and Michael are over it.

Not trying to start trouble here, I personally like all the skaters involved, but did you intentionally forget to include Julianne in in your list of who's "over it?" Anyone know what's going on with her?

Ah, I love Julianne. What she and Charlie had together was very special indeed and nothing can change the magic of the moments they shared with us on the ice. :saint: There was a recent interview with Julianne in which she discussed her health and her desire to take things one step at a time. The article was in French, but an English translation was available. Perhaps you can locate the full article via this link:
https://www.facebook.com/IFSmagazine/posts/julianne-séguin-has-written-about-her-split-with-charlie-bilodeau-the-story-is-i/10157960269582538/

Everyone has difficult passages to go through in life. I'm sure it is especially hard for any athlete when they are partnered with another athlete in a joint pursuit, and then that partnership abruptly ends without a lot of clarity. This scenario has happened to far too many skaters to name. But Rudy Galindo comes immediately to mind, and so does Emily Samuelson, and more recently Elliana Pogrebinksy (when her dance partner, Alex Benoit, decided to retire in order to pursue his love of acting). Also, Marissa Castelli, who recently described how she reassessed after Mervin Tran wanted to split. Marissa didn't know what to do at first, but after attending a special athlete transition program, she realized that she was okay with retiring from skating and that there was a lot waiting for her to pursue in her life off competitive ice.

It was grievously difficult for Emily Samuelson, as she wished to continue, and the break-up with her partner was not amicable (plus they had competed together since childhood, so that was a lot for her to process). Emily soon found another partner and she competed in ice dance for at least a couple more seasons as I recall, but ultimately she made the decision to retire and she slowly moved on with her life. It was cool seeing Emily commentating at the recent U.S. Nationals during the Ice Desk sessions. She's happily married and enjoying her management consulting career, without any evident bitterness. She exuded thankfulness and generosity for all that skating gave her, and for the blessings she has continued to enjoy in her life.

For Rudy Galindo, there were a lot of ups-and-downs. It was for him a very upsetting break-up with Kristi Yamaguchi (and it wasn't Kristi's decision, it was her parents' and coach's decision that she needed to concentrate on singles if she wanted to win). Rudy went back to competing in singles too, but he did not have great results. Then he lost his father, his brother, and his coach in quick succession. Rudy's sister Laura stuck by him and encouraged him to continue his competitive career. When Rudy learned that U.S. Nationals would be held in his hometown of San Jose in 1996, he found renewed purpose and began training harder than he ever had. As we know, the rest is remarkable skating history.

I'm not certain what Elliana has decided. Initially, she wished to continue competing in ice dance, but she probably has had trouble finding a suitable partner due to her height. Some reports indicate that she may have decided to move on. Ashley Wagner has also shared her recent struggles with processing the end of her competitive career. The clear message in these individual athlete stories is that 'stuff happens' to all of us. It's what we decide to do with what happens to us that makes the difference. I would love to see Julianne come back and have success with a new partner, if that's what she truly desires.

In any case, if you will notice, my last comment in my previous post was addressing the long ago Kirsten/Dylan split that others were discussing, not the more recent Charlie/Julianne break-up.
 
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That’s because we HAVE known about it for months!

I stated it in early December after hearing the news from Richard himself. Unfortunately until it was announced I couldn’t say who my source was, but I was never in any doubt that it was a done deal.

Ah, so apparently it was okay with Richard, Luba & Dylan for you to anonymously put the news out there, without any definitive attribution. Fans could be assured and expectant, but at the same time, uncertain and on tenterhooks until the official announcement. :drama: ;)

I'm not lamenting or criticizing. It's always nice to hear anonymous scuttlebutt in the skating community with basis in fact. :D

I’m all for Liubov finally getting to go to the Olympics...

Hold them horsies, please. It ain't over till the f .... uh well, till the last performance at Canadian Nationals in the next Olympic year. :watch:
 
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That should be the case in all partings, divorces, end of business partnerships, athletic alliances.. Contract ended, we're moving on.

Exactly. But uh yeah, good luck with that in every instance under the sun, or errr, in the cold confines of skating rinks, and in the dark twisting behind-the-scenes hallways of arenas and training facilities, not to mention behind closed bedroom and boardroom doors. :eek: :lol:

Many fans often mistook them for an off-ice couple. The fact that he was ready to sever the partnership in the way he did (thus likely also destroying their chance of staying friends off-ice) seems very unfortunate.

Yeah, I too thought Julianne and Charlie were a couple off the ice, because they seemed so attuned together on the ice. Perhaps this ultimate split trajectory developed over time after Julianne's series of injuries, and lost training time, and their subsequent loss of momentum and missing the chance to go to Worlds (which gave their rivals M-T/M the opportunity to build their experience, visibility and opportunities)...

It's wonderful that Julianne/ Charlie were able to pull it together at Canadian Nationals to make the Olympics last season. And they had a decent showing at the Olympics too. They probably should have re-thought going to Worlds though, after all the energy and effort they put into making the Olympic team and performing pretty well there. It's hard to know I suppose when it's time to put on the brakes. Post-Olympics would have been a good time for them to sit down and have a heart-to-heart about their future together. No matter what, Julianne was clearly not in good competitive shape for 2018 Worlds.

The bolded part of your comments appears to be taking a step into dicey psychological and emotional motivations and behaviors.
 
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The bolded part of your comments appears to be taking a step into dicey psychological and emotional motivations and behaviors.
I'm not really sure how. There are, objectively, tactful ways of handling things and non-tactful ways of handling things. The fact that Charlie has repeatedly told the media that he had been thinking about the split for months before he actually told his partner, the obvious abruptness of the split unless Julianne has been blatantly lying to the media about how shocked she was when Charlie told her his decision, and Charlie's consequent media blitz wherein he told the world that the reason for his decision was that he didn't think Julianne was good enough to go forward with his goals of being on international (and specifically Olympic) podiums are sufficient points of evidence (IMO) to support the point I made that he was ready to (and did) sever the partnership in a less than tactful, very self-serving way.

(As for the second part of the point I was making, in which I said that he was clearly also willing to sacrifice their personal friendship, I don't think that's really psychological analysis either. One would have to be totally stupid to believe that they could say, "Yo, I'm dumping you with no warning and then telling the media that the reason was because you're not good enough to help me achieve my goals; I hope we can still be friends!" and believe that would be a real possibility.)
 
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"Yo, I'm dumping you with no warning and then telling the media that the reason was because you're not good enough to help me achieve my goals;

It’s clear your mine is made up on this, so I’m not entirely sure why I am bothering but I do think this is a putting an unnecessary spin on his comments and the split. As Catherine noted, Julianne is still having an impact from her concussions and is unable to train fully (and I have heard the same) so was he supposed to keep going on forever in a situation with someone whose health was not allowing her to be at her best and not knowing if she would ever be back to her best?
 
It’s clear your mine is made up on this, so I’m not entirely sure why I am bothering but I do think this is a putting an unnecessary spin on his comments and the split. As Catherine noted, Julianne is still having an impact from her concussions and is unable to train fully (and I have heard the same) so was he supposed to keep going on forever in a situation with someone whose health was not allowing her to be at her best and not knowing if she would ever be back to her best?
Again, I’m not sure where people are misunderstanding, but I have clearly stated in several posts that I think it was obviously in his rights to make the choice to split and seek a new partner. I just think there were a lot of things wrong with the way he chose to do that.

My comment that you quoted was obviously a bit facetious, but it encapsulated two things about the way he chose to go about things that I feel were tactless: 1) he chose to inform Julianne of his decision abruptly, in a way she says left her shocked and blindsided, even though he then told the media he had been thinking about it for months, and 2) he then went on a media blitz where he proceeded to tell the world that the reason for the split was that he felt he was capable of standing on the podium at the next Olympics, and he didn’t feel like he could do that with her as his partner. Both those points are facts; the only interpretation I am making is to consider that behaviour unacceptable.

TL; DR: Charlie’s decision was well within his rights; the way he chose to execute it was tactless. YMMV.
 
I don't really like how Charlie handled it, but I'm not sure the criticism over Julianne being "blindsided" is fair. I feel like that's maybe an inevitable part of this kind of split. If you split due to interpersonal issues, I can see how talking to your partner about it might be helpful to try and work it out, but if the issue is about how she's about to train due to concussions, I'm not sure how helpful talking about that before you're made up your mind would be. What do you say? It's not like there's really anything she can do to fix it, unlike other partnership issues, and you wouldn't want her to push in training to prove that she's fine if it could be unsafe.

Telling her this was a concern and you weren't sure about continuing to skate together would have meant she wasn't surprised when he made the decision, but could they really move forward in training when it's out there that he feels that way? I can see why you would only say something when you'd decided for sure what to do (especially when your coach is really attached to your partner and might disagree with your decision).

I think about a breakup, which a lot of the time is a shock to the person being broken up with. Often that's something that the person has been thinking about for a bit, but they don't tell their partner "by the way, I'm thinking about dumping you, but I'm not sure yet" because what does that help. Sometimes, the issues can be worked out when talked about, and sometimes they can't (just not having those feelings anymore, etc.). In cases like that, if the breakup isn't a shock, it's because the person sensed things were off, not because their partner told them explicitly. And Julianne did say she knew Charlie was struggling after the Olympics, she just never thought that would lead to them splitting, so she did know something was off.

I think there are valid criticisms of how Charlie did this, but I'm not sure that her being shocked about it was one of them - I think that's a pretty understandable thing to have happened in this situation.
 
I'm not really sure how. There are, objectively, tactful ways of handling things and non-tactful ways of handling things. The fact that Charlie has repeatedly told the media that he had been thinking about the split for months before he actually told his partner, the obvious abruptness of the split unless Julianne has been blatantly lying to the media about how shocked she was when Charlie told her his decision, and Charlie's consequent media blitz wherein he told the world that the reason for his decision was that he didn't think Julianne was good enough to go forward with his goals of being on international (and specifically Olympic) podiums are sufficient points of evidence (IMO) to support the point I made that he was ready to (and did) sever the partnership in a less than tactful, very self-serving way.

(As for the second part of the point I was making, in which I said that he was clearly also willing to sacrifice their personal friendship, I don't think that's really psychological analysis either. One would have to be totally stupid to believe that they could say, "Yo, I'm dumping you with no warning and then telling the media that the reason was because you're not good enough to help me achieve my goals; I hope we can still be friends!" and believe that would be a real possibility.)

I don't know enough about the details of the split and Charlie's pronouncements, since I'm not Canadian, nor do I understand much French, which most of these interactions were conducted in. Yes, I've heard a bit of the English translations. And yes, I was surprised when I first learned of their split last summer.

Of course, we all make mistakes, and it does seem a bit abrupt, harsh and tactless, as you itemize. However, I don't know for sure what was going on in Charlie's mind. I can only speculate. IMO, unclear psychological factors may enter into it, along with complicated human motivations because it actually might have been difficult for Charlie to make the split. That could be why he tried to make it work for as long as he did when he began having doubts about the partnership's viability. The best timing to break up would have been immediately after the Olympics, but yet Charlie pushed forward with Julianne in training and getting new programs. Obviously, he must have continued to feel they weren't making sufficient progress and he soon came to the decision to make the split.

Since Charlie admittedly had been having misgivings for awhile, he may have reasoned he'd given it enough time and once he made the decision, perhaps he did not wish to linger over it. In fact, the parting might also have been painful for him (particularly in recognizing that he might be perceived negatively). Maybe that's why he immediately owned up to being the one who wanted to split. He proceeded to put the partnership and his decision behind him, perhaps in a purposeful effort to detach from heavy emotions. Mayhap, he rationalized that Julianne was not in her former competitive shape through no fault of her own. As a result of Julianne's recurring concussion-related side-effects adversely impacting their training time, he likely became uncertain about their future prospects. Possibly, he also figured the dilemma was apparent to everyone, so that voicing it himself was logical and reasonable.

Sure Charlie could have tried to speak more directly, considerately and clearly to Julianne out of respect and courtesy. Perhaps he found it difficult because of the deep significance of their shared history on an emotional level, which he may have felt he had to make a clean break with. Maybe he didn't want to engage because he feared there would be tears and emotions on both their parts that might weaken his resolve. Or else, he's a complete, insensitive cad on the level of how Jennifer Aniston characterized Brad Pitt when he left her for Angelina Jolie. :COP:
 
I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to have been thinking about splitting for some time without doing anything. To me, it sounds like he wanted to try to see if it was possible to work things out before commuting to split it. I don’t think Charlie was wrong tbh.
 

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