ISU Grand Prix Assignments 2018/19 season

In the case of say a Samodurova on TV inspiring another Samodurova, or a Craine on TV inspiring another Craine I will take the former any day. Sorry. Also doubtful one Julian Yee matters for the development of figure skating in his home country as I have yet to see another Malaysian skater good enough to be around, or a UZB skater after Misha Ge, etcetera. It takes a Yuna Kim to make an impact, not a Kailani Craine. (Of course you are free to think Kailani would one day win the world championship.)

The only one questionable with an event is Paganini but think about where the ISU is located...
 
@analia So you're completely ignoring the fact that Julian making the Olympics was a huge story not only in Malaysia but also across Olympic news sites? Or that since he started doing well the number of rinks in Malaysia has gone from 1 to 5+?
Or that it completely makes sense that there's not another good Malaysian skater around yet because these changes take a while to produce good skaters? Think of Yuna: she inspired a whole bunch of young Korean women to take up skating way back around 2010. Only one or two of the ladies inspired by her to start skating are even Senior age eligible. The rest have been making a name for themselves on the JGP circuit recently. Javier Fernandez has also started to promote the development of figure skating in Spain, but we won't see those results for another few years.

As for Misha Ge, although he competed for Uzbekistan he never trained there or had any major connections there, and that could be the problem. He's trained in Russia, China, Taiwan, and the US, so he probably doesn't have much of a connection to the skating community or those that would be building new rinks. While he is helping to build skating, based on his instagram it seems he's mainly working in it in places in East Asia including Taiwan, Thailand, and Korea. He's also working in Moscow, Los Angeles, China, and Italy teaching classes. But no Uzbekistan. I could see that as a big reason skating hasn't taken off in Uzbekistan.

I don't think Kailani will ever win worlds, but I don't think that would matter. Look what Julian
 
Jeschke said:
Can Dastich (in theory) be selected, if she was submitted to JGP events this season, but did not skate?
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Conjecture:
My suspicion would be "yes," mostly because it's not like the federations follow GP-selection rules anyway. :P However, if Germany was planning on Dastich being on the JGP, her name may not have been submitted for GPs back before the initial selection. Ditto for America's Ashley Lin, who @haribobo pointed out would now be in the top 10 of available alternates. She was listed as a JGP alternate so her name may not have been submitted by the U.S. for the GP. I don't think feds can add skaters to the GP selection pool after that initial submission deadline.

It does seem clear that one could be submitted for the initial GP-selection, then not be selected, and end up on the JGP, e.g., Alexandrovskaya/Windsor last season.
 
breathesgelatin said:
Watching the Skate America Rhythm Dance on NBC Sports Gold and Tanith just said that Chock/Bates are out of the Grand Prix series...

EDIT: Tanith just corrected herself and said Chock/Bates are only out of their first event... Still gotta wonder, though.
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I understood her to mean that they wouldn't be competing for a place in the finals due to the fact they only had one GP now.
 
Has Craine trained in AUS for long? Brooklee never trained in AUS. No real difference between Brooklee/Paganini/Misha Ge situation. Frankly those Dodds brothers would un-inspire anyone who happens to watch them skate. Are GP events even broadcast in Australia? These events should be for top-ranked skaters period. Even 3 per country rule should be abolished for the GP. Keep it for championships and OG, but GP series isn't about spreading wealth. The top six now seven big federations are footing the bills. Between Leonova and Algostesson/Craine, who wouldn't want Leonova? Now here is someone who is actually unfairly kicked off the circuit.
 
million$momma said:
I understood her to mean that they wouldn't be competing for a place in the finals due to the fact they only had one GP now.
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No, she originally said they were out of the series- meaning they had withdrawn from both of their events, which we all know is probably the likely scenario at this point. However, she was probably told by a researcher shortly after she said it that they had officially only withdrawn from their first event at this point, and that's when she backtracked and corrected herself.
 
analia said:
Has Craine trained in AUS for long? Brooklee never trained in AUS. No real difference between Brooklee/Paganini/Misha Ge situation. Frankly those Dodds brothers would un-inspire anyone who happens to watch them skate. Are GP events even broadcast in Australia? These events should be for top-ranked skaters period. Even 3 per country rule should be abolished for the GP. Keep it for championships and OG, but GP series isn't about spreading wealth. The top six now seven big federations are footing the bills. Between Leonova and Algostesson/Craine, who wouldn't want Leonova? Now here is someone who is actually unfairly kicked off the circuit.
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You've inspired me to put you on ignore.
 
Willin said:
@analia So you're completely ignoring the fact that Julian making the Olympics was a huge story not only in Malaysia but also across Olympic news sites? Or that since he started doing well the number of rinks in Malaysia has gone from 1 to 5+?
Or that it completely makes sense that there's not another good Malaysian skater around yet because these changes take a while to produce good skaters? Think of Yuna: she inspired a whole bunch of young Korean women to take up skating way back around 2010. Only one or two of the ladies inspired by her to start skating are even Senior age eligible. The rest have been making a name for themselves on the JGP circuit recently. Javier Fernandez has also started to promote the development of figure skating in Spain, but we won't see those results for another few years.

As for Misha Ge, although he competed for Uzbekistan he never trained there or had any major connections there, and that could be the problem. He's trained in Russia, China, Taiwan, and the US, so he probably doesn't have much of a connection to the skating community or those that would be building new rinks. While he is helping to build skating, based on his instagram it seems he's mainly working in it in places in East Asia including Taiwan, Thailand, and Korea. He's also working in Moscow, Los Angeles, China, and Italy teaching classes. But no Uzbekistan. I could see that as a big reason skating hasn't taken off in Uzbekistan.

I don't think Kailani will ever win worlds, but I don't think that would matter. Look what Julian
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Wise words. Thank you for posting.
 
analia said:
Has Craine trained in AUS for long? Brooklee never trained in AUS. No real difference between Brooklee/Paganini/Misha Ge situation. Frankly those Dodds brothers would un-inspire anyone who happens to watch them skate. Are GP events even broadcast in Australia? These events should be for top-ranked skaters period. Even 3 per country rule should be abolished for the GP. Keep it for championships and OG, but GP series isn't about spreading wealth. The top six now seven big federations are footing the bills. Between Leonova and Algostesson/Craine, who wouldn't want Leonova? Now here is someone who is actually unfairly kicked off the circuit.
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*furious seething*

Kailani was born in Australia and grew up here. She only moved to the US to train a couple of years ago. So did Brendan, who didn't relocate to the US until he was 18 and already landing triple Axels. Brooklee trains in the US, but her Australian parents had relocated there before she was even born. It's not a Paganini situation at all because Brooklee chose Australia when she was still a Novice, well before any international results were assured. The Dodds brothers are very good skaters who are almost single-handedly responsible for keeping our pairs program alive for some years, not that a snobby jerkass like you would care about that.

The GPs are broadcast in Australia - actually, for the first time this year, we're getting live streams through one of our TV channels.

The sport needs fewer fans like you, who'd happy kill off the sport everywhere but the big countries, and more fans with open minds.
 
Jeschke said:
Hanul Kim got GP FIN
https://isu.org/docman-documents-li...ries-2/17412-ladies-2018-19-all-6-events/file

She had decent outings last season, so good for her she finally get one assignment.
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Oh, I am happy for her. She was the highest ranked athlete on the list without a single invite. Could have received one during the initial draw ahead of at least a couple athletes but didn't. I was afraid she would miss out because she wasn't likely to be offered one ahead of Eunsoo. Plus with only one event in Asia, there's added expense for most of the GP hosts in inviting her. Good for Finland.
 
I’m really wondering why federations don’t withdraw their skaters in time.

It seems Daleman is vacationing at the moment, so it’s unlikely she’ll be competing at her next GP. Still, Skate Canada hasn’t withdrawn her from her next assignment (NHK). Another question mark at NHK is Radionova. Will she compete?

I think it’s wonderful Daleman is taking time off to sort everything out but it would be nice for other skaters to have the opportunity to skate at the GP.
 
kwanfan1818 said:
Kostner has been crossed off of the Ladies grid for Helsinki and IdF as of today.
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Really sad news for me as I am going to IDF and it probably was my only chance to see her live, unless I manage to save money for some Art on Ice show in the future (if she happens to take part again) :(. Of course, it's sad for other viewers as well. And I really hope she will be able to skate at Euros and Worlds.
 
misskarne said:
Someone on the other forum said they heard Paganini will get the other spot which is not good.
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Imho every spot not left empty in the end is good! ??‍♂️

Some may be more pleased with the choice of skaters, some less. Important is that some skater gets the opportunity to skate in the end and that the people willing to pay (for tickets, video coverage, etc) are getting a full roster.
 
Jeschke said:
Imho every spot not left empty in the end is good! ??‍♂️

Some may be more pleased with the choice of skaters, some less. Important is that some skater gets the opportunity to skate in the end and that the people willing to pay (for tickets, video coverage, etc) are getting a full roster.
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So many people were pissed that Megan Wessenberg got the SA spot, but she acquitted herself really well and finished in the top half. And way better than the ‘obvious’ choice of Andrews. She’s not as polished as some others, but she has beautiful jumps and, more importantly, steely nerves.

Who knows, maybe Paganini will pleasantly surprise too!
 
Wessenberg acquitted herself nicely (pissed isn't the right word - surprised), but she has nowhere near the amount of pressure on her that Andrews does. Makes it easier to perform well.
 
vesperholly said:
Wessenberg acquitted herself nicely (pissed isn't the right word - surprised), but she has nowhere near the amount of pressure on her that Andrews does. Makes it easier to perform well.
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I guess that argument could be used against any underdog who performs better than expected. Well hopefully she’ll get more opportunities and greater expectation after this, and then we can see how she does. I do hope she can somehow get better or more coaching though. She’s really quite rough around the edges, and not many transitions, but nothing a good coach can’t help out with. She’s fast, got good jumps, good musicality. But she’s 20 already and freshman in college. I don’t know if she’s willing to make significantly greater investment in her skating at this point.
 
vesperholly said:
Wessenberg acquitted herself nicely (pissed isn't the right word - surprised), but she has nowhere near the amount of pressure on her that Andrews does. Makes it easier to perform well.
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Really disagree here. If Megan caught wind of any of the forums, people have been saying since the start that they don't know why she got the spot, and then after Nepela people thought she should be swapped out. Starr has had more opportunities by now, whereas this was kind of Megan's one shot to make an impact.
 
To achieve personal best scores at a Grand Prix Series event shows that international judges are prepared to take Wessenberg seriously.

If Megan can build on this momentum, she has a really good shot at making the squad for Four Continents.

That the event is on American soil, would make it an especially exciting experience for all of the U.S team.
 
vesperholly said:
Wessenberg acquitted herself nicely (pissed isn't the right word - surprised), but she has nowhere near the amount of pressure on her that Andrews does. Makes it easier to perform well.
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Talk about a back handed compliment. Did the thought of a skater getting rewarded for her performance require a catty response?
 
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