(Updated) Denis Ten Murdered: was stabbed in the thigh

rosewood said:
The website of Kazakhstan's ministry of culture and sports has a nice tribute album. Here is a link to the website. Scroll down and click on Denis's photo which is on the right side of the website, and you'll automatically download the pdf which has 118 pages. There are lots of really nice photos and comments on it. I can't read any word of it though.
http://mks.gov.kz/eng/
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I believe, that's the book they published and gave out for free almost immediately after Denis' death. The title is: "Our Denis" and it's a collection of interviews and articles about him and some information about his career and his shows in general. I teared up reading an interview with his mom around 2010/11 (?). She was so proud of her son and you can grasp the motherly love she has for Denis.
 
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rosewood said:
I checked all the tributes written in Japanese. All of them were sweet and fine so far. It's so much impressive that such big amount of tributes were there. Thanks for all your efforts. I'll continue checking from time to time and tell you if I found any inappropriate one.
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Thank you so much for taking the time and checking them. There as so many Japanese tributes.
 
Thanks to everyone for sharing all the news and updates in this thread, as well as your memories of Denis. It’s been a week, and even though the initial shock has worn off, honestly every time I see this thread title it hurts the heart a little.

I’ve had the privilege of seeing Denis compete a number of times and was fortunate enough to meet him once, somewhat by accident. Before Skate America in 2015, my friend and I went sightseeing around Milwaukee and happened to see Denis at the art museum as we were leaving. My friend had interviewed him the year prior for the Korean press and went to say hello, so I followed. What transpired was a really lovely conversation, and he was so friendly and willing to chat. I remember him teasing us about his new programs (even though we’d be seeing them the next day, he wouldn’t reveal what the music was), telling us about his involvement with the bid to bring the Olympics to Astana, asking about our backgrounds, and even inviting us to visit Kazakhstan (and talked to us about visas and such). He probably would’ve kept talking even longer if it wasn’t for the lady he was with (possibly his mother?) gesturing at him that it was time to go. I came away being more of a fan of him as a person than as a skater, and I already liked his skating quite a lot!

Several friends and I went to sign the condolence book at the Kazakh consulate in New York last Friday. While there wasn’t a line, there were quite a few people who had already signed and several others who came in during the short time we were there. One of the consular officers mentioned that there would be a gathering to remember Denis over the weekend in Times Square.

Even though his time with us was short, he accomplished so much in his career, did what he loved, traveled the world, met many interesting people, and had some amazing experiences. I’d say that’s a life well led, and judging by the many tributes that are already in progress, I truly believe his legacy will live on.
 
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marysy said:
Thanks to everyone for sharing all the news and updates in this thread, as well as your memories of Denis. It’s been a week, and even though the initial shock has worn off, honestly every time I see this thread title it hurts the heart a little.

I’ve had the privilege of seeing Denis compete a number of times and was fortunate enough to meet him once, somewhat by accident. Before Skate America in 2015, my friend and I went sightseeing around Milwaukee and happened to see Denis at the art museum as we were leaving. My friend had interviewed him the year prior for the Korean press and went to say hello, so I followed. What transpired was a really lovely conversation, and he was so friendly and willing to chat. I remember him teasing us about his new programs (even though we’d be seeing them the next day, he wouldn’t reveal what the music was), telling us about his involvement with the bid to bring the Olympics to Astana, asking about our backgrounds, and even inviting us to visit Kazakhstan (and talked to us about visas and such). He probably would’ve kept talking even longer if it wasn’t for the lady he was with (possibly his mother?) gesturing at him that it was time to go. I came away being more of a fan of him as a person than as a skater, and I already liked his skating quite a lot!

Several friends and I went to sign the condolence book at the Kazakh consulate in New York last Friday. While there wasn’t a line, there were quite a few people who had already signed and several others who came in during the short time we were there. One of the consular officers mentioned that there would be a gathering to remember Denis over the weekend in Times Square.

Even though his time with us was short, he accomplished so much in his career, did what he loved, traveled the world, met many interesting people, and had some amazing experiences. I’d say that’s a life well led, and judging by the many tributes that are already in progress, I truly believe his legacy will live on.
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Thank you for your lovely story about meeting Denis. You are welcome to also add it to the "Story" section of our memorial site www.forevermissed.com/denis-ten
Anyone else can do that, too - if you have a story about how you met Denis or how you "discovered" him as a skater, feel free to share that on the Website. There is also the possibility to upload photos.
Everyone can participate and maybe one day Denis' family would like to read these stories and tributes.
 
aftershocks said:
This article indicates that Orser and Hanyu made a joint statement on social media regarding the skating community's grievous loss of Denis Ten:
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/nhknewsline/backstories/skatersbidfarewell/

"Hanyu offered his condolences with his coach Brian Orser on Instagram, saying, 'The skating community has lost a beautiful skater but your passion will live on.'"
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Unfortunately while the fans have been wonderful the Japanese press has handled the news really badly, always dragging the old incident with Hanyu and often implying Denis was "that skater who got in Hanyu's way".

Hanyu did not offer his condolences for Denis, I am sorry!
Orser wrote a message and signed it with the names of Team Orser (Yuzuru, Javi, Jason, Gabrielle, Elizaveta) But then all of these skaters wrote something themselves on their social medias. Hanyu never did!

Orser Instagram about Denis' death

This is fabricated news and NHK in particular follows JSF directives and they, of course, want to protect their two-time Olympic champ and records boy. Unfortunately they often do that at the expenses of others.

RIP Denis, if you can
 
Moka-Ananas said:
One more suspect has been detained: http://lenta.inform.kz/en/one-more-suspect-detained-in-denis-ten-s-death_a3334861

The woman apparently withhold some information about the crime and somehow collaborated with the two men who have been detained for murdering Denis Ten.
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From other sources: the girl Жанар Толыбаева/Zhanar Tolybaeva is a thief herself, knew the two men and was in contact with them apparently before and after the murder, knew about the crime/murder from the news, and knew they were the ones who did it, but did not report to the police. She is accused of "not reporting/hiding a murder" and now "previous theft" case is added. For the two crimes she can get jointly up to 6 years in corrective labor colony.
https://dni.ru/sport/2018/7/27/403451.html
 
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Wow. So sad. But there was never going to be a good side to this. So two men and a woman?
 
Lacey said:
Wow. So sad. But there was never going to be a good side to this. So two men and a woman?
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The woman did not participate in the attack. But she knew the two attackers before, was in communication with them after, knew they were the ones who did it, did not report to the police, and... she had previous theft case herself.
 
ostile17 said:
Hanyu did not offer his condolences for Denis, I am sorry!
Orser wrote a message and signed it with the names of Team Orser (Yuzuru, Javi, Jason, Gabrielle, Elizaveta) But then all of these skaters wrote something themselves on their social medias. Hanyu never did!
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Thank you @ostile17. I wondered about that, because of the way it was phrased that Orser and Hanyu tweeted condolences. They can't both do it on one account at the same time. So, since it was posted by Orser apparently on behalf of his skaters, the message should not have been attributed to Hanyu specifically. When I posted that condolences had supposedly been sent by Hanyu and Orser, I linked the article where it was mentioned. But yeah, context and veracity are everything, and it's easy for reporters to misconstrue or mislead. I had wanted to add my thoughts on that past on-ice incident to my previous post, but I didn't want to derail the thread (a few other posters did briefly touch on the incident earlier). I do think it's a good thing to clear the air.

That infamous incident felt to me like the elephant in this thread almost immediately. I thought in passing about the incident when I heard the terrible news of Denis' death, because what had happened was a sad situation that quickly got out of control. Collisions on the ice occur all the time. In that instance, it just seemed as if Hanyu was in a funk and out of sorts due to not feeling at his best. Javi, who was also dealing with injury, is the one who ended up winning Worlds that year. Meanwhile, Hanyu was apparently frustrated by Denis being in the way. I never thought Denis had gotten in the way on purpose. That would have been extremely uncharacteristic. Denis was likely simply distracted by his own physical struggles and off-ice issues. I remember seeing posted videos and it looked to me like just another unfortunate collision. If Denis was spinning off to one side and Hanyu happened to be going at top speed and didn't see Denis and Denis didn't see him, it's just an accidental collision. I realize there were also claims that Denis had been somehow in the way at other times. But again, I always felt that Hanyu was personally frustrated during that period of time and thus he uncharacteristically over-reacted by initially lashing out at Denis. Unfortunately, Hanyu's fans took it from there and blew things out of proportion.

There was an OTT thread here that ensued. I thought it was a mountain being made out of a molehill, and I tried to lighten things up by parodying the incident using quotes from William Shakespeare plays. Hanyu and Denis eventually shook hands and posed for a picture together in order to dissipate the unnecessary conflict and the runaway train vitriol generated by some Hanyu fans. But once again unfortunately, many of Hanyu's fans continued to be outraged way out of proportion to the actual incident. Everyone should have just been glad that neither skater was seriously harmed physically as a result of the accidental collision. The sad thing is that it was Denis' reputation which took a hit, and that was completely wrong and unfair. I don't think Hanyu should be castigated either, and there's no reason to question if he hasn't yet made public condolences. That doesn't mean Hanyu hasn't sent private condolences to Denis' family. Anyway, no matter what Hanyu feels, that's his business. Although Hanyu and Denis may not have been close friends, I don't think they were antagonists. It's certain fans who need to lower their anger and suspicion on all sides.

For me, I have mainly been upset with judges in recent years for not fairly scoring Denis on his extraordinary PCS in spite of his injury-related technical mistakes. But unfair scoring on PCS happens to many skaters.

Now that we are learning about all of the complicated things Denis had to deal with in his life just to be able to train and compete, it becomes even more clear to me how Denis was not a complainer. He also never made excuses. He just continued to work hard to overcome obstacles, and he always expected more from himself. In the video where he describes trying to come back from a slight mistake in his 2014 Olympic sp, it is obvious that he held high personal ideals and principles. He spoke about realizing that no one else could help him. It was just him on the ice, and he went out there and showed his heart and courage, and he won an Olympic bronze medal. He refused to let himself fail, even though he was dealing with injuries at that point too. Denis managed to overcome his physical struggles and his many off-ice obstacles and complications to burn so brightly for such a short time in our midst. We took his talent and his gentle grace for granted. Of course he was not perfect. Still, there are lessons to be learned from his life and all he accomplished against the odds, as well as lessons to be learned from his untimely passing.

The skating community should reflect on this passage slightly paraphrased from John 5:35 --
"He was a bright and shining light, and [we] were willing to bask and rejoice for a season in his light..."

ETA:
"People like this is just one time. It can be never the same." -- Aljona Savchenko
 
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Spun Silver said:
@aftershocks, your words about Denis are beautiful. I just really really hope this thread will not continue rehashing the incident with Yuzuru. This is not the thread for that, surely!
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No...but the thread should also not rewrite history by erasing the fact that it wasn't just once, it was three times in two sessions and the issue was a matter of basic practice etiquette. @aftershocks trying to characterise it as some little distracted moment or Hanyu overreacting doesn't quite cut it.

But I don't want to dwell on that as it seems that all parties moved on long ago, a longer time even than it takes to read one of aftershocks' posts. I don't understand why the incident has even been brought up again.
 
misskarne said:
No...but the thread should also not rewrite history by erasing the fact that it wasn't just once, it was three times in two sessions and the issue was a matter of basic practice etiquette. @aftershocks trying to characterise it as some little distracted moment or Hanyu overreacting doesn't quite cut it.

But I don't want to dwell on that as it seems that all parties moved on long ago, a longer time even than it takes to read one of aftershocks' posts. I don't understand why the incident has even been brought up again.
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Whatever @misskarne. That's your point of view to no effect in the scheme of things. You miss the intent of my post completely. But that's par for the course. A bright and shining light has been dimmed and extinguished. What if anything do you learn? To get jabs back? Carry on then as usual if you must, as the world turns.

You say you 'don't want to dwell on it,' and you claim 'all parties moved on long ago.' But contradictorily you haven't, nor have many of Hanyu's fans. History is always being 'rewritten' by self-interested interlopers, but the truth of a person's character tends to make it through a storm of angry darts and a sea of misfortunes. And then sometimes, fair-minded factual accounts set the record straight. In the age of Trump, of course, anyone can believe whatever 'facts' they choose. It doesn't change the actual truth, however blurry and open to interpretation. In the case of this blown-out-of-proportion incident, the versions of reality skating fans wish to hold onto are their own business.

BTW, the example Denis set was to shake hands with Hanyu, to not endlessly complain or explain, nor to denounce Hanyu's angry fans. Denis turned the other cheek and he moved forward with his life. Moreover, he continued to try and compete against the mounting physical ailment odds he suffered. He brought pride and recognition to his country and he looked forward to working on a number of creative projects and endeavors to help advance and promote the sport he loved. He leaves behind a legacy that will forever brightly shine.
 
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aftershocks said:
Whatever @misskarne. That's your point of view to no effect in the scheme of things. You miss the intent of my post completely. But that's par for the course. A bright and shining light has been dimmed and extinguished. What if anything do you learn? To get jabs back? Carry on then as usual if you must, as the world turns.
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And of course, here is the typical condescending righteous aftershocks reply.

aftershocks said:
The example Denis set was to shake hands with Hanyu, to not endlessly complain or explain, nor to denounce Hanyu's angry fans. Denis turned the other cheek and he moved forward with his life. Moreover, he continued to try and compete against the mounting physical ailment odds he suffered. He brought pride and recognition to his country and he looked forward to working on a number of creative projects and endeavors to help advance and promote the sport he loved. He leaves behind a legacy that will forever brightly shine.
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This is all true. Thus, no need to rewrite history about it. There is no doubt that Denis' legacy is that Kazakhstan is now a skating country, and long may that continue.
 
misskarne said:
And of course, here is the typical condescending righteous aftershocks reply.
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Contrary to your apparent belief @misskarne, on FSU, aftershocks holds no monopoly on condescension, nor righteousness, nor even fatuousness. If you have something further to say to me, please take it to PM or troll for jab backs in a different thread.

I am not like Denis Ten unfortunately, nor can I claim to have yet learned how to apply his example of turning the other cheek. But I hope we can both allow the thread to return now to honoring Denis' memory.
 
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misskarne said:
No...but the thread should also not rewrite history by erasing the fact that it wasn't just once, it was three times in two sessions and the issue was a matter of basic practice etiquette. @aftershocks trying to characterise it as some little distracted moment or Hanyu overreacting doesn't quite cut it.
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This is the first I've heard of "three times".

But I don't want to dwell on that as it seems that all parties moved on long ago, a longer time even than it takes to read one of aftershocks' posts. I don't understand why the incident has even been brought up again.
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Sounds like you do want to dwell on it.
 
ostile17 said:
Unfortunately while the fans have been wonderful the Japanese press has handled the news really badly, always dragging the old incident with Hanyu and often implying Denis was "that skater who got in Hanyu's way".

Hanyu did not offer his condolences for Denis, I am sorry!
Orser wrote a message and signed it with the names of Team Orser (Yuzuru, Javi, Jason, Gabrielle, Elizaveta) But then all of these skaters wrote something themselves on their social medias. Hanyu never did!
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Hanyu did not write something himself on social media because Hanyu does not have social media. Hanyu does not do social media. And whether he expressed condolences privately is no one's business but his own.

As for the "incidents" between him and Denis at Worlds, there are multiple videos on YouTube that show what happened.
 
All I am saying is that it was very unwise and tasteless on the part of the Japanese press to mention the incident while reporting news of something as tragic as Denis' death.
They even made him and his death the object of a quiz. That was really low and disrespectful to Denis memory, his family and the fans who were still mourning. It was appalling!
 
GreatLakesGal said:
Hanyu did not write something himself on social media because Hanyu does not have social media. Hanyu does not do social media. And whether he expressed condolences privately is no one's business but his own.

As for the "incidents" between him and Denis at Worlds, there are multiple videos on YouTube that show what happened.
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In order to explicitly express condolences, Hanyu would have to give a special interview or call a press conference. And THAT would be misconstued no matter what he said or didn't say. Lovely aftershocks would undoubtedly write a tl;dr essay about it.
 
judiz said:
why should it matter whether or not a skater chose to express condolences or tribute on social media? I’m sure many if not most chose to contact the family directly and privately.
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Indeed, just as I said in my #526 post. There are surely even some FSU posters who are grieving for Denis who have not publicly expressed their thoughts and feelings in this thread. Not everyone tweets in the age of social media. And this terrible loss is still a very difficult thing to fully grasp.

Not everyone runs to social media for collective expressions of loss and condolences, or for comfort in their shock and grief. It can be a good and cathartic act for those who do speak out publicly to share their feelings and remembrances. But it's not a requirement.
 
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ostile17 said:
But then all of these skaters wrote something themselves on their social medias. Hanyu never did!
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Yuzuru has never had any social media accounts, as all his fans know, so exactly how could he do this?

From what I've seen in the Japanese twitter universe, it's actually Hanyu haters who are doing the most trying to stir up the old story (bitter Takahashi ubers are every bit as bad as the craziest fanyus)
 
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