Séguin and Bilodeau end skating partnership

[blue_idealist]

I also think that Julianne was the stronger skater in many ways! Remember she did skate individually at an elite (senior or junior - cannot recall) level and was quite competitive!

IIRC, I think she was 6th at Sr. Nats once. I'll have to look it up. (Yes, 2013 and 7th in 2014).

 

[MR-FAN]

I wonder how badly Savchenko wants that 2nd Olympic gold...

 

[barbarafan]

Nodari of course!

Exactly... She has always said in interviews that Dylan has always looked after her in every way and she couldn't ask for more in a partner. She has always looked healthy and happy since she moved to Canada.

 

[barbarafan]

IIRC, I think she was 6th at Sr. Nats once. I'll have to look it up. (Yes, 2013 and 7th in 2014).

I first saw her at a junior grand prix in singles and was so impressed with her. She went for everything with everything she had. Apparently she had not been skating for all that long.

 

[kittysk8ts]

Exactly... She has always said in interviews that Dylan has always looked after her in every way and she couldn't ask for more in a partner. She has always looked healthy and happy since she moved to Canada.

Yes. Dylan is a good man. And you are sooo right about how good and healthy she is and Lubov LOVES Canada and we love her. She has been with a lovely boyfriend for a year now and she has her citizenship. I hope she stays forever. Also, I don't know about the rest of you, but I could see in Dylan and Lubov's body language that there was a trust and respect there.

 

[ChiquitaBanana]

I don't think that's necessarily the right analogy. To me, it seems more like a marriage that appeared to be going on as normal with a few bumps in the road that seemed to be navigable - or at least one spouse seemed to believe that the problems were navigable and was not told otherwise - and then the other spouse unilaterally files divorce papers without giving any advance warning or reasons. In the Radio Canada article (posted earlier in the thread), Julianne essentially said she was very surprised by the decision and is still reeling and trying to figure it all out. (She said it is still not clear to her what caused the split, and that she was still trying to understand what happened and how it happened.)

Again, this is my opinion and you are free to disagree. I am sure Charlie didn't make the decision lightly, but from the information provided, I also don't see it as a "I tried everything and things just weren't working" choice.

What I read and what I know is that he tried maybe a little too much for it to work. Maybe he should just have called it a quit after the Olympics. Maybe that is what would have pleased you. But then, you would have told us that he was not letting her heal adequately, tht he should wait a little bit more. that fact is that you don't know everything to the story, and maybe it is better that way. At least the skater has the decency not to spread their problems in front of the public.

 

[barbarafan]

What I read and what I know is that he tried maybe a little too much for it to work. Maybe he should just have called it a quit after the Olympics. Maybe that is what would have pleased you. But then, you would have told us that he was not letting her heal adequately, tht he should wait a little bit more. that fact is that you don't know everything to the story, and maybe it is better that way. At least the skater has the decency not to spread their problems in front of the public.

I don't see this interview here by Charlie but it is in french.

https://twitter.com/RadioCanadaInfo/status/1020019917393879040

 

[kittysk8ts]

I don't see this interview here by Charlie but it is in french.

https://twitter.com/RadioCanadaInfo/status/1020019917393879040

Thanks @barbarafan. I could be wrong but I get the sense here that he has no idea with whom he will skate....the interviewer mentioned try outs with skaters and he acknowledged that of course he would require try outs. Any French speakers, please feel free to correct my understanding.

 

[barbarafan]

Thanks @barbarafan. I could be wrong but I get the sense here that he has no idea with whom he will skate....the interviewer mentioned try outs with skaters and he acknowledged that of course he would require try outs. Any French speakers, please feel free to correct my understanding.

That is what I thought...he spoke too fast for me to pick eveything up but at one pt. it seemed he was asking the viewers if they knew of anyone.

 

[kittysk8ts]

That is what I thought...he spoke too fast for me to pick eveything up but at one pt. it seemed he was asking the viewers if they knew of anyone.

Right! Is there someone waiting out there for me kinda vibe....

 

[Tinami Amori]

Right! Is there someone waiting out there for me kinda vibe....

That tells me that his mind set is "i want a new partner, i have not found one yet, but whatever happens, i do not see any future with Seguin". Then he did both sides a favor by not continuing.

 

[kittysk8ts]

That tells me that his mind set is "i want a new partner, i have not found one yet, but whatever happens, i do not see any future with Seguin". Then he did both sides a favor by not continuing.

Yes, agree. He also fully admits how risky this move is, but that he is comfortable with the decision. So again, probably best.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Has anyone seen Lubov in the Cirque cast yet?

Tonight is her premier. she has not yet performed.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BleGlozAe0H/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1tv4w03a5sud2

 

[Japanfan]

On the other hand, I find this decision incredibly risky. For one thing, by making this decision mid way through July, he has a distinct possibility of not competing at all this season. Sectionals are early November and 3 months is not a lot of time to get a new partnership together. I agree if a change is to be made, the start of the 4 year cycle is the time, but this decision in May would have given him more flexibility.

And the second question here: Who is this partner for him that is “better” than Julianne? I’m not seeing some great girl sitting on the sidelines. This is not 1998 and a Jamie Sale is just waiting around. And further to this, I don’t particularly see the reason why S/B were a mid of the pack team as being Julianne holding him back. IMO they were very evenly matched in their talents and abilities.

I doubt that Charlie and Julianne have told the press the full story.

Maybe Julianne would not commit to 2022? Has anything been said about that.

I'll add that I really liked S/B and thought they had loads of potential - fully expected them to dominate in Canada for the next quad.

 

[dramagrrl]

I doubt that Charlie and Julianne have told the press the full story.

Maybe Julianne would not commit to 2022? Has anything been said about that.

I'll add that I really liked S/B and thought they had loads of potential - fully expected them to dominate in Canada for the next quad.

Julianne said in one of the post-split interviews that she is still looking to compete in 2022, so that obviously was not the issue.

I am sure there is more to the story than they are telling (although I don't think it was some big dramatic issue - more like not mentioning specific problems in training this summer, etc.), but the fact that Julianne is telling the press that she was pretty much blindsided by the decision and that she is still trying to figure out what happened and why suggests to me that this was very much one-sided and probably the result of a lot of small things rather than Major Issues that they both would have known about.

To all the posters above who are criticizing me for not "respecting" Charlie's decision, it isn't that I think he should have stayed in the partnership if he seriously thought that their goals weren't compatible anymore or that they weren't progressing as he would have liked; it is the fact that (at least from what is being publicly said) he was clearly thinking about this for some time, but instead of having the grace to speak to his long-time partner about what he was thinking/feeling, he sprung the news on her suddenly after their competitive year already seemed set and did not really seem to discuss his full reasoning with her. If he was thinking about this since after the Olympics, why not sit down with Julianne (and possibly their coaches) and say, "This is what I'm thinking and feeling; knowing this, would you rather part ways now before we start serious work for next season, or do you want to have a trial period of ___ weeks/months where we can both see where our training is going, seriously evaluate our options at the end of that time, and accept the decision if one of us wants to part ways at that point?" At least then she would have an idea of what he was thinking and would be able to at least have some say in the decision, knowing that accepting a trial period might mean that at the end of it, they would part and she would have lost training time/money/etc. She would not be lost wondering what happened and why she was suddenly not good enough.

People can bash me all they want, but from all the interviews they have given so far, the decision comes off as selfish and poorly managed to me. "I want medals and I decided I need a new partner to get there. We had a good run, but it's too bad, I made this decision for my future goals and that's the way it is." Even the way he is speaking to the press saying things like, "I felt we weren't giving each other what we needed and that we were going in two different directions" sounds like these are things he did not discuss with Julianne. Of course, it could be possible that she is playing the victim in the press by saying things like "I don't understand and I need to take time to figure out why this happened", but it really doesn't seem like it, IMO. Sure, you can hold the opinion that selfishness is needed and even necessary when trying to reach lofty athletic goals, but I think one can work towards their goals and make tough decisions while having a bit more decency and compassion for the people who have to face the consequences.

Again, this is just my take on it and people trying to read my mind by saying things like, "If he had done this-and-that differently, you probably still would criticize!" ( ) aren't going to change my mind.

 

[ChiquitaBanana]

Again, this is just my take on it and people trying to read my mind by saying things like, "If he had done this-and-that differently, you probably still would criticize!" ( ) aren't going to change my mind.

Dramagrrl is truly a . ( )

 

[dramagrrl]

Dramagrrl is truly a . ( )

Thanks! I feel honoured that you felt I was worth a whole post.

 

[WanderlustTO]

Well this decision is one I didn't see coming at all. We will see if Charlie finds himself a better partner than Julianne.

Best wishes to them both.

I think this is going to be a pretty wild four years for Skate Canada in all disciplines. It will be excited for the fans!

 

[princeton123]

Good partners don’t just grow on trees. Aliona Savchenko is not just waiting around the corner. I truly wonder who he has lined up that he thinks is going to take him to the next level.

 

[ChiquitaBanana]

That tells me that his mind set is "i want a new partner, i have not found one yet, but whatever happens, i do not see any future with Seguin". Then he did both sides a favor by not continuing.

Exactly.

Good partners don’t just grow on trees. Aliona Savchenko is not just waiting around the corner. I truly wonder who he has lined up that he thinks is going to take him to the next level.

It is quite clear from the interviews that he doesn’t even have someone in mind.

 

[ChiquitaBanana]

Thanks! I feel honoured that you felt I was worth a whole post.

My pleasure!

 

[ChiquitaBanana]

All of this being said from my part, it sure sucks for Julianne. I hope she takes the time to heal her body and her soul and that she comes back stronger. I wish them a healthy sound life in which skating is a part of. A happy person makes a better skater

 

[shutterbug]

Reading all these articles makes me so sad. Rarely do splits happen in a way that's fair to both parties, and this one is no exception. My heart goes out to Julianne. Essentially, Charlie is saying he'd rather quit skating than continue with her. That has to be hard to take, especially coming out of the blue after 5 years of skating together. Of course Charlie is under no obligation to continue with her, and should not if his heart is not in it. But, if he's the classy guy I think he is, he will provide her with some feedback to help her understand what went wrong from his perspective so that she can take that knowledge forward into her next partnership.

Hopefully this split will result in two new viable partnerships to help repopulate our depleted pair field. Best of luck to Charlie in finding the type of partner he feels he needs to continue. As for Julianne, she was considered quite a catch when she and Charlie partnered up because of her strong jumping skills, and I think she still is today. There are some great options available for her, and no doubt Josee is already getting tryouts lined up. Of the two most obvious choices, my preference would be Boudreau-Audet. I recall being impressed watching him skate with Suto and wondering why we let him get away to skate for another country. He's a couple of years younger then Deschamps, which is important since Julianne is still only 21.

 

[barbarafan]

Exactly.


It is quite clear from the interviews that he doesn’t even have someone in mind.

Unless he has approached or been approached in secret by someone and/or a coach and a plan was made of procedures to
handle Julianne, the press and the fans. If that is what happened the steps would prob. be..wait a bit..another announcement of a break up and both supposedly holding tryouts...and then voila magic happens. Not saying this is what happened but it is an option.

 

[ChiquitaBanana]

Unless he has approached or been approached in secret by someone and/or a coach and a plan was made of procedures to
handle Julianne, the press and the fans. If that is what happened the steps would prob. be..wait a bit..another announcement of a break up and both supposedly holding tryouts...and then voila magic happens. Not saying this is what happened but it is an option.

There we have another ... lol! I truly believe in reading one's intentions over body language, culture and the choice of words and to me it does not seem like it...

 

[pointbleu]

Oh, I am heartbroken... There was something pure and clean that I liked about them. I wish them good luck in their new partnership. I wish Canada two new strong teams that will challenge each other like Kirsten and Dylan did.

 

[barbarafan]

There we have another ... lol! I truly believe in reading one's intentions over body language, culture and the choice of words and to me it does not seem like it...

I certainly hope not..I really really liked these 2 and after Luba/Dylan they were my favs. I am really shocked by the announcement as their elements were so good and any other areas could definitely be improved with the right guidance. One of their pluses was their relationship with each other.

 

[kittysk8ts]

There we have another ... lol! I truly believe in reading one's intentions over body language, culture and the choice of words and to me it does not seem like it...

@barbarafan is correct though, that this is a possibility and if in fact this is the case, it is to protect Julianne and not to be sneaky.

 

[swissskate]

Maybe Charlie will end up teaming up with Stolbova

 

[oleada]

Maybe Charlie will end up teaming up with Stolbova

He would be eaten alive.