Séguin and Bilodeau end skating partnership

[yfbg722]

Your against KMT isn't doing anyone any favours. I mean, last year's results alone show she was right to leave Dylan.

It's probably best for you to build a bridge and cross it at this point...

Regardless, I can't wait to see KMT & Pasta Sauce on top of the podium this season.

The only podium they'll top will be Nats and even that only because everyone ahead of them retired or split. Otherwise 4 would likely always have been their number

 

[Japanfan]

I had hoped that due to that horrendous accident happened to Dylan which made mud of their future plans that she would be snatched up by a rink for coaching but she either had unfinished business with skating or maybe no offers and of course she had make a living so right now she does have a job performing skating and I hope she is enjoying the experience.

Accident? What happened?

 

[barbarafan]

Accident? What happened?

A few weeks before nationals a huge patio glass door fell on him in a freak accident slashing across his hand and requiring multiple stiches along with a concussion and other undisclosed injuries. He had just got back on the ice the week of nationals and there were a few mistakes which was a shame because the rest of the program had really evolved. I feel they were undermarked for what they did and as well Body of Work was not looked at when Skate Canada chose the Olympic Team. So their future plans tanked.(ie shows seminars etc.) I am still looking for that door to open when the window closed.

 

[kwanfan1818]

While they might not have been on the Thank You Canada tour, I doubt their ability to skate professionally would have evaporated had he not been so critically injured at about the worst possible moment.

 

[Winnipeg]

I did not realize Dylan had been injured before nationals. How unfortunate. Weird that a patio door would just collapse.

 

[Tinami Amori]

A few weeks before nationals a huge patio glass door fell on him in a freak accident slashing across his hand and requiring multiple stiches along with a concussion and other undisclosed injuries.

I read about this accident, but here is my chance to ask: where did it happen, at home or outside?

 

[Andora]

Dylan's accident was a very sad and abrupt end to their season/plans, absolutely. But he and Lubov weren't skating up to their potential before that either. As MT&M gained ground, I&M really seemed to lose it. 3rd at Nationals was supposed to be a battle between the two teams, and it's sad it turned out not to be.

 

[barbarafan]

I read about this accident, but here is my chance to ask: where did it happen, at home or outside?

At a gym

 

[Tinami Amori]

At a gym

Did he sue?

Dylan's accident was a very sad and abrupt end to their season/plans, absolutely. But he and Lubov weren't skating up to their potential before that either. As MT&M gained ground, I&M really seemed to lose it. 3rd at Nationals was supposed to be a battle between the two teams, and it's sad it turned out not to be.

As far as i remember, as a Senior, Ilushechkina skated only one dynamic and clean performance and that was @ SC in 2010 with Maisuradze (SP to "Figaro") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZwrdUTUsL0

Then it was down hill from there. When she left for Canada, every one though oh now she is out of evil Russia and she will now be great in this free and lovy-dovy world... But we know how that went..... and she never skated better than that time in 2010.

And just to think... if Luba did end up skating with her first partner choice, the French man, Yannick Kocon, she now would be eating cheese and screaming J'aime la France...

 

[barbarafan]

Did he sue?

no idea....details at all were like pulling teeth

 

[kwanfan1818]

Ilyushechkina was a breakout favorite at Skate Canada when she skated for Russia. She was happily pro-Canada based on that experience, and while it may have faded over time if she had skated for France -- talk about going from the frying pan into the fire -- it pre-dated any switch from Russia.

 

[barbarafan]

Did he sue?


As far as i remember, as a Senior, Ilushechkina skated only one dynamic and clean performance and that was @ SC in 2010 with Maisuradze (SP to "Figaro") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZwrdUTUsL0

Then it was down hill from there. When she left for Canada, every one though oh now she is out of evil Russia and she will now be great in this free and lovy-dovy world... But we know how that went..... and she never skated better than that time in 2010.

And just to think... if Luba did end up skating with her first partner choice, the French man, Yannick Kocon, she now would be eating cheese and screaming J'aime la France...

And if the evil Russian Federation had agreed to release her to France she indeed could possibly still be there.

 

[karmena]

Did he sue?


As far as i remember, as a Senior, Ilushechkina skated only one dynamic and clean performance and that was @ SC in 2010 with Maisuradze (SP to "Figaro") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZwrdUTUsL0

Then it was down hill from there. When she left for Canada, every one though oh now she is out of evil Russia and she will now be great in this free and lovy-dovy world... But we know how that went..... and she never skated better than that time in 2010.

And just to think... if Luba did end up skating with her first partner choice, the French man, Yannick Kocon, she now would be eating cheese and screaming J'aime la France...

Thank you. You indeed formulated it very well and objective.

Yes, IMHO Dylan simply...sacrificed himself- and selflessly-in that partnership; consciously or unconsciously but sacrificed.
Also, I never ever felt Luba and Dylan as a pair; there was only one skater- Luba. Dylan was there rather as a
I thought I might be wrong because everyone was so excited about this new pair, though, when I saw them alive, it only cemented my opinion. I guess, that Luba in general is not that type of personality who can easily blend with a skating partner. Anyway, all this does not matter now, and a good thing is that Luba indeed looks joyful and happy now
Luba is the only one, who benefit from KM-T and Dylan split; no one else. No one. Thank you, KM-T

 

[Tinami Amori]

And if the evil Russian Federation had agreed to release her to France she indeed could possibly still be there.

They only waited the allowed time frame, or.... they could have charged $30K like French Feds did with Massot....

Also, I never ever felt Luba and Dylan as a pair; there was only one skater- Luba. ... I guess, that Luba in general is not that type of personality who can easily blend with a skating partner.

To be fair, Luba has LOVELY LINES when she skates.

I thought I might be wrong because everyone was so excited about this new pair, though, when I saw them alive, it only cemented my opinion.

My observation (subjective) is that "westerners get excited" about any "russian" choosing or praising "something in the West".... it's sort of a declaration to them "We have something better than the Mighty Russian Skating Empire", and not about "skating" sometimes....

 

[aka_gerbil]

no idea....details at all were like pulling teeth

My seats at nationals were near some family for a Cricket Club skater. The incident happened at the club. A sliding glass door on one of the practice rooms came off of the tracks and fell on Dylan.

 

[aliceanne]

I think if you are going to break with your partner the best time is at the beginning of the Olympic cycle. Would it be better for Julianne if Charlie took another year or two to find a new partner and then dumped her, or if he struggled along halfheartedly for two more years and then said I don't want to do this anymore? This way, she has the same chance as he does to regroup.

It is sad. They seemed so promising their first year in seniors, but nothing seemed to go right after that.

 

[Cant Skate]

I think if you are going to break with your partner the best time is at the beginning of the Olympic cycle. Would it be better for Julianne if Charlie took another year or two to find a new partner and then dumped her, or if he struggled along halfheartedly for two more years and then said I don't want to do this anymore? This way, she has the same chance as he does to regroup.

It is sad. They seemed so promising their first year in seniors, but nothing seemed to go right after that.

And thank you for bringing this thread back to a conversation about Julianne and Charlie... #threaddrift

 

[millyskate]

I think if you are going to break with your partner the best time is at the beginning of the Olympic cycle. Would it be better for Julianne if Charlie took another year or two to find a new partner and then dumped her, or if he struggled along halfheartedly for two more years and then said I don't want to do this anymore? This way, she has the same chance as he does to regroup.

It is sad. They seemed so promising their first year in seniors, but nothing seemed to go right after that.

Yes that's true - the spark seems to have gone. Remembering a fun performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1JrR0cBBJo

 

[pat c]

Yes that's true - the spark seems to have gone. Remembering a fun performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1JrR0cBBJo

They had so much fearlessness and joie de vivre. Moments to remember. Good luck to them.

 

[barbarafan]

They only waited the allowed time frame, or.... they could have charged $30K like French Feds did with Massot....



B
not sure when exactly she skated with Yannick but appar. she was in France for 9 mths without any comittment for release..she was still not released until at least 6 mths after she started skating with Dylan.


B


To be fair, Luba has LOVELY LINES when she skates.



B

Her lines are beautiful and Dylan worked very hard tom match them
I just wish they had used the Russian technique for the twist instead of a blended one of the 2 techniques.




My observation (subjective) is that "westerners get excited" about any "russian" choosing or praising "something in the West".... it's sort of a declaration to them "We have something better than the Mighty Russian Skating Empire", and not about "skating" sometimes....

B

Subjective sounds about right..

 

[quartz]

They had so much fearlessness and joie de vivre. Moments to remember. Good luck to them.

Since I can’t have them together anymore, I really do hope Canada ends up with two new teams for the next quad. The thought of these two charming skaters perhaps not continuing if they can’t find suitable partners is death in my soul. Pairs is my favorite discipline and losing 3 top teams in such a short time is tough.

 

[barbarafan]

While they might not have been on the Thank You Canada tour, I doubt their ability to skate professionally would have evaporated had he not been so critically injured at about the worst possible moment.

If they went to Olympics they prob. would have been asked to SOI Canada as they performed last yr and were very popular there .

 

[fsfann]

A few weeks before nationals a huge patio glass door fell on him in a freak accident slashing across his hand and requiring multiple stiches along with a concussion and other undisclosed injuries. He had just got back on the ice the week of nationals and there were a few mistakes which was a shame because the rest of the program had really evolved. I feel they were undermarked for what they did and as well Body of Work was not looked at when Skate Canada chose the Olympic Team. So their future plans tanked.(ie shows seminars etc.) I am still looking for that door to open when the window closed.

Their body of work for the entire season was terrible.

Had they skated strongly and placed throughout the year, I'm sure Skate Canada would have considered them, but in this situation, I don't feel they deserved a second look. (Kind of like Alaine Chartrand!)

 

[The Accordion]

My observation (subjective) is that "westerners get excited" about any "russian" choosing or praising "something in the West".... it's sort of a declaration to them "We have something better than the Mighty Russian Skating Empire", and not about "skating" sometimes....

Oh for Goodness' Sakes... I only remembering mostly reading comments showing people who were very excited that such a beautiful skater as Luba was going to get another run at pairs -and people who were excited Dylan had found someone to skate with.

 

[aftershocks]

She is crazy and not nearly as good as she thinks she is. I doubt she will ever make it as high as 4th in the world as she got to with Dylan.

Figure skating is a crap shoot. And the depth in pairs skating will be a huge factor in anyone's chances of placing fourth in the world. But wait, KMT and Marinaro Sauce already placed 6th at Worlds earlier this year. Only two spots to go.

At the rate Kirsten & Michael have improved against the odds since they partnered amidst sneering opposition, I don't see any reason why they need to set their sights low. The fact that some fans still seem to have an undigestible beef with them and/or their skating, is constipation for those fans to suffer. Others who have an appetite for good skating and this increasingly strong partnership, can share in the delectable delights K&M and their coaching team have in store for us. I don't think M-T/M should be discussed in this thread in any case. But thread drift is always with us.

Re Seguin and Bilodeau's split, I wish them both well, and I hope they find good partners. Surely Skate Canada will be doing everything they can to assist S and B, as Canada's senior pairs program has gone from bull to bear in the blink of an eye.

 

[barbarafan]

Their body of work for the entire season was terrible.

Had they skated strongly and placed throughout the year, I'm sure Skate Canada would have considered them, but in this situation, I don't feel they deserved a second look. (Kind of like Alaine Chartrand!)

In body of work they are supposed to look at the prior year where they were fabulous.

 

[antmanb]

Perhaps all the people with strong views wanting to rehash I/M's final season can start their own thread and leave this one on Seguin/Bilodeau?

 

[Andora]

In body of work they are supposed to look at the prior year where they were fabulous.

I'm sure it's taken in to account, but that doesn't make a ton of sense. Everything can change in a year for an athlete and federation. If you have one pair that has continued to improve, just more slowly, and another that has taken a noticeable dip in performance & ability... why would you send the team struggling currently to the big game?

It's a great problem for a federation to have had - 4 decent teams and 3 spots. But it means there will never be a decision that makes everyone happy. There were times it seemed like S&B wouldn't make it there from injuries and bad programs, etc. It's unfortunate for FSU that the more popular team was the one that didn't go to the Olympics, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

 

[Scrufflet]

Figure skating is a crap shoot. And the depth in pairs skating will be a huge factor in anyone's chances of placing fourth in the world. But wait, KMT and Marinaro Sauce already placed 6th at Worlds earlier this year. Only two spots to go.

At the rate Kirsten & Michael have improved against the odds since they partnered amidst sneering opposition, I don't see any reason why they need to set their sights low. The fact that some fans still seem to have an undigestible beef with them and/or their skating, is constipation for those fans to suffer. Others who have an appetite for good skating and this increasingly strong partnership, can share in the delectable delights K&M and their coaching team have in store for us. I don't think M-T/M should be discussed in this thread in any case. But thread drift is always with us.

Re Seguin and Bilodeau's split, I wish them both well, and I hope they find good partners. Surely Skate Canada will be doing everything they can to assist S and B, as Canada's senior pairs program has gone from bull to bear in the blink of an eye.

"constipation"?

 

[Rock2]

While they might not have been on the Thank You Canada tour, I doubt their ability to skate professionally would have evaporated had he not been so critically injured at about the worst possible moment.

Of course.

The main point still holds....
....that not being on the Olympic team (for whatever reason) changed the landscape of their opportunities as a pair and likely had serious influence on their decision to split, go in different directions and seek fresh opportunities as individuals.