barbarafan
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When we are delusional things happen. When a team drops it is always better to look at yourself at what you could do better and let the partner do the same.
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I was waiting for someone to point that out. Nic I'm sure is nowhere near giving up on singles to pursue pairs when on paper any girl would see Charlie, B-A and Deschamps as a better candidate. Not going to happen.
Also what's not going to happen is KMT changing partners. It's my one wish on FSU that people stop suggesting this. They are progressing nicely, and have committed for the cycle. The other point to this argument is that she has as many issues as Mike might have, so she's not the prize everyone thinks she is. Still, they are both very good and as good for each other as any pairs matchup you could make in Canada. It's nice and fun to speculate but pls leave this alone. Thank you.
As I said in CAN pairs thread, I have already paired Seguin with Deschamps. All I can say on the matter is that this will be looked at, but not until Julianne recovers from this set back and has an idea in her mind what she wants.
Both she and Charlie I'm sure won't be pressured to make world's (or even nationals) this year for the sake of picking the right partner for the cycle. Things 'may' happen quickly but I think patience will be needed on all fronts. I know I don't have a lot of it, but I'm trying!
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Charlie is saying he doesn't have any tries scheduled yet but is looking.
He had been considering a change for a few months but wasn't sure.
Following Worlds, he said they made some changes and tried a few things in their training with the hope of taking things to the next level, but they weren't working. It's when he realised these changes weren't having the desired effect that he decided to split.
He acknowledges it's a risk, that it may mark the end of his competitive career but he does want to find a partner and continue skating. He says that the skater can be the best skater in the world, if the chemistry isn't there it's not going to work so try-outs are needed.
It's my impression that he's aiming for world medals and titles, and feels that they weren't going to achieve that together.
He had been considering a change for a few months but wasn't sure.
Following Worlds, he said they made some changes and tried a few things in their training with the hope of taking things to the next level, but they weren't working. It's when he realised these changes weren't having the desired effect that he decided to split.
He acknowledges it's a risk, that it may mark the end of his competitive career but he does want to find a partner and continue skating. He says that the skater can be the best skater in the world, if the chemistry isn't there it's not going to work so try-outs are needed.
It's my impression that he's aiming for world medals and titles, and feels that they weren't going to achieve that together.
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Yeah, that's what I meant by furthering her career.
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against KMT isn't doing anyone any favours. I mean, last year's results alone show she was right to leave Dylan. It's probably best for you to build a bridge and cross it at this point...
Regardless, I can't wait to see KMT & Pasta Sauce on top of the podium this season.
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I'm not sure how things would have been any better with Beharry, although I've never skated with either man, LOL, so I wouldn't know for sure. I do know that Moore-Towers was dating Beharry for some time.
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I already have her paired with Boudreau-Audet.
Let's see if she actually chooses one of those guys or surprises us.
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If Charlie is aiming for the podium, seems to me his aim is a wee bit lacking since he is now without a partner, and there doesn't seem to be any replacement part in the immediate future. That podium is a whole lot farther away than it was a week ago.
Maybe he can borrow Petrenko's blow up doll.
Maybe he can borrow Petrenko's blow up doll.
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She is crazy and not nearly as good as she thinks she is. I doubt she will ever make it as high as 4th in the world as she got to with Dylan.
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Nic Nadeau has trained some pair elements before, he did a few years ago as far as I know, he's done some overhead lifts on ice recently as per his instagram. However I don't think he's really committed to pairs nor all that interested.
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Here's some clips: https://www.instagram.com/p/Be4cD02hk5J/?hl=en&taken-by=nic_nadeau
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWB10mUAuSg/?hl=en&taken-by=nic_nadeau
I heard he also did an ice dance ex with some girl a while back for a show. So he's got more experience with it than some singles skaters, but it's not like he used to do pairs as far as I know.
I want him to stay in singles though.
Charlie is thinking exactly the right way. He's very talented and has the tools to aim for a world podium, but last time I checked it takes two of the same quality to get there.
Dave Pelletier went through exactly this at this stage in his career. Split with Gaylor and I think others before splitting with Caroline Roy after 1998 season. He said he wanted to win world medals and would only partner with someone who could get him there. He was clear that he had criteria that he wouldn't compromise on. If he couldn't find someone to meet all the criteria he would find something else to do with his life.
Incoming: Jamie Sale.
I think his approach was a smart one. Kudos to him for wanting more than being 8th in the world time and time again. Can never have enough athletes with this kind of ambition.
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It's probably best for you to build a bridge and cross it at this point...
Regardless, I can't wait to see KMT & Pasta Sauce on top of the podium this season.
What results exactly were you talking about?
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Moore-Towers/Marinaro finished 4th in the free skate at last season's World Championships, so a 4th place finish at Worlds is not out of the question.
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Just a stab in the dark, but I'm assuming that they are referring to the injury issues that Dylan had last season which contributed to some poor results for him and Lubov.
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He seemed extremely strong and very solid. His partner was very very good as well and they did well in their first year on JGP circuit.
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Ditto. He is still not where he was before his big injury. Perhaps he has limitations due to that injury but maybe he just needed more time. If things do not work out though I would also love him in pairs. As far as Gogolov is concerned there are a lot of ifs and he just turned 13 in Dec so will be a while before he could compete internationally in seniors. He is very limited as far as how much he jumps due to growing and hurting due to this. If he is sore they do not let him jump. So far he has been able to keep his jumps but he could suddenly grow a foot in a few months and really have to work to get them back. I am crossing my fingers and trying to be patient.
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This conversation has me thinking. Mirror pairs were BARELY able to be competitive under 6.0. Has IJS made them obsolete?
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Ambition is wonderful. Goals are awesome.
However, if I were to have a nice boyfriend and we were talking about getting married some day, and I go and dump the nice boyfriend, and then start planning a wedding in the hopes that maybe a nicer boyfriend might come along before the wedding date, then I probably shouldn’t be too surprised if some people might wonder who the heck I’m going to stand at the altar with.
However, if I were to have a nice boyfriend and we were talking about getting married some day, and I go and dump the nice boyfriend, and then start planning a wedding in the hopes that maybe a nicer boyfriend might come along before the wedding date, then I probably shouldn’t be too surprised if some people might wonder who the heck I’m going to stand at the altar with.
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However, if I were to have a nice boyfriend and we were talking about getting married some day, and I go and dump the nice boyfriend, and then start planning a wedding in the hopes that maybe a nicer boyfriend might come along before the wedding date, then I probably shouldn’t be too surprised if some people might wonder who the heck I’m going to stand at the altar with.
I hate to disagree, but I don't think they're comparable, necessarily?
As close as skating partners often do get, it's still a business relationship at the heart of it. I'd hate to be made to feel bad for moving on to a better job just because I have a nice-enough one, as an example.
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I get that this is FSU and people are allowed opinions and are always going to speculate. I just think that with so little information, and without being in their skates, as it were, it is really not fair for us to jump to conclusions / judge. Of course, I will admit that hasn't stopped me in the past but ultimately when I think about it, they are the ones out there putting in the hours, paying the money, and beating up their bodies for their own dreams and they have a right to take their own chances and make their own decisions. In addition, there is probably a whole lot behind these scenes and in these relationships that they are not going to share with us.
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She strikes me as a tad bit over-confident at times.
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Ambition is wonderful. Goals are awesome.
However, if I were to have a nice boyfriend and we were talking about getting married some day, and I go and dump the nice boyfriend, and then start planning a wedding in the hopes that maybe a nicer boyfriend might come along before the wedding date, then I probably shouldn’t be too surprised if some people might wonder who the heck I’m going to stand at the altar with.
Eh, I see it more as “I could marry this perfectly nice boy, but he doesn’t make me truly happy and there are things that I could achieve with someone else but not with him holding me back; so I’d rather risk it all for the chance to be truly happy and myself with someone else. It may not happen but I would rather risk it than regret never trying and feeling stuck with someone else”.
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Ambition is wonderful. Goals are awesome.
However, if I were to have a nice boyfriend and we were talking about getting married some day, and I go and dump the nice boyfriend, and then start planning a wedding in the hopes that maybe a nicer boyfriend might come along before the wedding date, then I probably shouldn’t be too surprised if some people might wonder who the heck I’m going to stand at the altar with.
......unless you had a reputation of being one of the most highly sought-after partners to marry in the country....and there were about 50 buildings in your country with a patch of ice in them and a big sign out front reading "World-class boyfriends to marry. See inside" and you knew each potential boyfriend had a certified coach helping to turn them into the best husband ever. And what's more, you had the government working on your side to sift through the candidates to isolate the 4-5 most exceptional ones to pick from. And you were among a precious few to get first pick....?
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If that were true, none of us would be here.
I'm with The Accordion on this one... I think he made a decision after working so closely together for so many years. Only they and their coaches and inner circle know everything that was going on, so I think we need to trust that he made the decision that he felt was in his best interests. We don't know the ins and outs of what they have been through, and while I am disappointed to see them split, I understand that sometimes difficult decisions have to be made...
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MT&M came 6th. How arrogant to want to medal in the next quad.
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I'm sure the blame game isn't uncommon among pairs, but it cannot ever work for a pair in terms of the partners getting along and striving to be their best together.
I actually have no opinion on whether M or MT were the stronger/weaker partner or were equal. I never paid them much attention. OTOH I love love love I/M. I don't care whether they make mistakes or where they place. They are just a delight to watch, and Lubov just radiates joy when she is on the ice. Such a lovely thing to see!
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That's an interesting question, i'm not sure it's IJS that's made them obsolete, more that the pairs are self limiting and don't really happen that often anyway.
If each partner jumps in a different direction, then the either the male in the pair is going to have to learn to throw and twist in the opposite direction or the female is going to have to learn to rotate some elements in the opposite direction which must be so much harder as it's completely different muscle memory. Weren't Vise/Trent mirror pairs, but they did the twist anti-clockwise (I think they only did the double though) whereas the throws were all in her natural clockwise direction.
I also think that choreographers could have done a lot more interesting things with mirror pairs.
I always wondered if it would look nice if a mirror pair tried an edge jump SBS so they came in from opposite directions and time the take off or landing to be right next to each other and then hold the exit edge until they are again next to each other.
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She definitely is so special. I had hoped that due to that horrendous accident happened to Dylan which made mud of their future plans that she would be snatched up by a rink for coaching but she either had unfinished business with skating or maybe no offers and of course she had make a living so right now she does have a job performing skating and I hope she is enjoying the experience. I just think Canada needs her in finishing pairs and her elements are fantastic.
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