UPDATED/CONFIRMED: Evgenia Medvedeva leaving Tutberidze for Orser

Ka3sha said:
Russian Figure Skating Federation at it’s best :D

They posted this information on their official FB page and on Twitter last night
https://m.facebook.com/RuSkating/?locale2=ru_RU&__tn__=C-R

And today they said that they have not heart about Evgenia leaving Eteri at all
http://www.interfax.ru/culture/611437
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:lol:

Would the Russian Federation be willing to spend their money on some of their skaters going abroad to train, it would make a lot more sense to me if they sent their most promising ice dance team to Dubrueuil/Lauzon rather than sent Medvedeva to Orser.

Women's has been by far the most successful discipline of Russian figure skating in the past five years and they used their own resources for the job, they didn't need Orser to win three of five World Championships and both Olympics. Ice dance is a different story.
 
VarBar said:
:lol:

Would the Russian Federation be willing to spend their money on some of their skaters going abroad to train, it would make a lot more sense to me if they sent their most promising ice dance team to Dubrueuil/Lauzon rather than sent Medvedeva to Orser.

Women's has been by far the most successful discipline of Russian figure skating in the past five years and they used their own resources for the job, they didn't need Orser to win three of five World Championships and both Olympics. Ice dance is a different story.
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They sent S/K to Zueva, they messed up. They send I/Z to Igor, same.
S/B are in Russia, but their coaches are doing everything they can for them. Z/G managed to improve a lot with Kustarova when they left Zhulin.
They sent the wrong teams abroad and it doesn't make you want to keep sending others...
 
Anyasnake said:
They sent S/K to Zueva, they messed up. They send I/Z to Igor, same.
S/B are in Russia, but their coaches are doing everything they can for them. Z/G managed to improve a lot with Kustarova when they left Zhulin.
They sent the wrong teams abroad and it doesn't make you want to keep sending others...
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I know all that but you can't blame the federation for trying. When your skaters keep scoring mediocre results with their local coaches, it's only natural to start to look around for other possibilities. By contrast, female skating doesn't seem to be an issue in Russia as there seems to be a long line of 13-14 year-old girls who can throw hard jumps left and right and are looking forward to proving themselves at senior level. I personally can't see what the federation would have to gain by hiring Orser for Medvedeva. Why would they want to do this favor to her and foot a most likely quite expensive training bill for her in Canada?
 
mannnnnnnnnn... we are living in the last days, SURELY! lol. The best days of Figure Skating, for sure. This has to be the first time that a North American coach is coaching a prominent Russian skater. I am eager to see how this works out. I'm super jealous i cannot know how this came to be but i'm also hoping that Brian can work within the technical framework that Evgenia has or rebuild her technique? Is Tracey Wilson going to change her stroking? Is David Wilson doing the choreography? sooooooooooooooooooo many questions. This has made Ladies singles an interesting discipline again. Evgenia is more of the total package than our current OGM but this is strait up out of a dream.

I have a feeling that one reason they selected Brian is because he has had success with many skaters that he did not coach for a long time. Evgenia seems to have the best attitude and sportsmanship i've seen of a skater. I'm honestly excited to see this. I've wondered what certain coaches would do with Russian skaters but i never even wrote about it as Russia never looks to NA for guidance. Sometimes, with ladies skaters, David Wilson can be a bit cheesy with his choreography so i hope that if he works with her he does keep it light but also sophisticated. This girl is a prodigy. Brian and his team is as well. Maybe we will get a gorgeous short program from Jeff Buttle as well where the choreography is kept in tact. Evgenia can do ANYTHING and she's obviously a great student.

I'm pumped.
 
VarBar said:
I know all that but you can't blame the federation for trying. When your skaters keep scoring mediocre results with their local coaches, it's only natural to start to look around for other possibilities. By contrast, female skating doesn't seem to be an issue in Russia as there seems to be a long line of 13-14 year-old girls who can throw hard jumps left and right and are looking forward to proving themselves at senior level. I personally can't see what the federation would have to gain by hiring Orser for Medvedeva. Why would they want to do this favor to her and foot a most likely quite expensive training bill for her in Canada?
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I don't know her personally or anything, but I'm pretty sure Medvedeva is doing fine money wise. They don't even have to give her more funding than they do anyway, she has prize money and show money and sponsorships and can probably get a private sponsor if she needs more. Who trains abroad isn't just about what the Federation wants, but about who has the money to afford to do so.
 
I really don't understand why the North-Americans think they have the best coaches, their choreographers creat the best programs,etc.
 
I'm not surprised by it at all. I had a feeling during the Olympics that Evgenia might decide to find another coach with the way it was turning out. In a way, I can't blame her at all. I kept feeling favoritism from Eteri when it came to Evegenia and Alina. I believe she's done the right thing because Evgenia still has many good years left to skate, and she's definitely not ready to be "put out to pasture". That's just my take on it. In other words, my opinion and I'm more than likely wrong about the reasoning. It's just an open thought. :)
 
lala said:
I really don't understand why the North-Americans think they have the best coaches, their choreographers creat the best programs,etc.
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I'm North American and if I were a skater I'd be coached by a team of Japanese, Latvian, and Czech coaches with choreography by Christopher Dean and the woman who did Leonova's witch program (Olga can't remember her last name).

Also, can we please discuss the rumor that Janny might switch countries and skate for Armenia?
 
Has anyone linked this article (blurb), yet? Russia’s silver Olympic medalist may represent Armenia in future : :unsure:

This whole (ongoing/ever-changing) situation does sound a bit like a delayed April Fools gag, but TBH, I'm not too surprised to hear of a coaching change for Evgenia. It was almost expected in certain quarters if it truly happens...
 
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If she does represent Armenia, she truly is aiming for a long career. 2026, etc. And she increases her chances to make the 2022 Olympics, because this is the real fight.
And of course there are all the side "issues"... which makes me think that it might be good for her to switch ? And to go to Orser too.
She could still go to Worlds next year if she decides too. But the RusFed might not let her go, ever.

But then, this one is a rumor and a much bigger one that needs confirmation.
 
Anyasnake said:
If she does represent Armenia, she truly is aiming for a long career. 2026, etc. And she increases her chances to make the 2022 Olympics, because this is the real fight.
And of course there are all the side "issues"... which makes me think that it might be good for her to switch ? And to go to Orser too.
She could still go to Worlds next year if she decides too. But the RusFed might not let her go, ever.

But then, this one is a rumor and a much bigger one that needs confirmation.
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She has options and she can choose wisely. If Russian fed still favors her next season then maybe she should stay. If not then change the country.
 
Yesterday Russian media wrote that she will represent Canada, now it’s Armenia :rofl:
What country will they name tomorrow?

Seriously speaking, there's no way Russia will release Evgenia. They didn't give a release to several single skaters in the past or to Bazarova/Deputat (when they wanted to switch to AZE), Iliushechkina and Khaliavin also had to wait for a pretty long time to be released. And here we have a 2-t World Champion, Olympic silver medalist, the face of Russian figure skating and sport in general; a girl, who was a part of Russian delegation at the IOC meeting last December.
And, most importantly, based on all Evgenia's interviews and speeches, I have lots of doubts that she has any intention to switch to ARM, ISR, CAN, JPN, AUS or any other country.
 
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Anyasnake said:
If she does represent Armenia, she truly is aiming for a long career. 2026, etc. And she increases her chances to make the 2022 Olympics, because this is the real fight.
And of course there are all the side "issues"... which makes me think that it might be good for her to switch ? And to go to Orser too.
She could still go to Worlds next year if she decides too. But the RusFed might not let her go, ever.

But then, this one is a rumor and a much bigger one that needs confirmation.
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If she goes to Armenia, she will have the kind of advantage Kostner had. No internal competition so she will go to worlds/Olympics every year for a long time. Canada is more competitive, though they don't have the cut throat competition like in Russia. The question is- is she willing to sit for 1 or 2 seasons to switch the country? Russia may release her if the younger skaters that can land 4Lz start winning and Zhenya may not even make the world team (hard to imagine this!).
 
lala said:
I really don't understand why the North-Americans think they have the best coaches, their choreographers creat the best programs,etc.
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I don't think it's that simple.

When I look at where Medvedeva needs to improve, she can probably find it best in a school outside of Russia. She's going to be going up against quads and 3As and I think the chances of her matching that are low. She'll need to upgrade her components to stay relevant.

The ladies coaches in Russia seem to specialize in pre-pubescent skating, focusing on small, consistent jumps and developing a real presence on the ice. Both are good things but that strategy doesn't seem to survive puberty.

In Medvedeva's case she's going to need speed and power and a better skating skills vocabulary. And her choreo will need to evolve from perfunctory random movements for the sake of adding non-jump content to more meaningful movement and interpretation that goes beyond pausing before the judges to look surprised or do some play acting. Something befitting a more mature and sophisticated skater.

I haven't seen anyone in Russia help a lady with that transition successfully. So while someone like Orser may or may not be superior coach, his camp is probably what would suit her best. Japan is not considered because of language and their reluctance to focus on international skaters. Evgenia presents herself as more worldly than other Russian women's skaters, so I can see her embracing working internationally and improving her English etc.
 
Vash01 said:
If she goes to Armenia, she will have the kind of advantage Kostner had. No internal competition so she will go to worlds/Olympics every year for a long time. Canada is more competitive, though they don't have the cut throat competition like in Russia. The question is- is she willing to sit for 1 or 2 seasons to switch the country? Russia may release her if the younger skaters that can land 4Lz start winning and Zhenya may not even make the world team (hard to imagine this!).
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I doubt whether Russia would release her (ever??) Russia would not release Lubov after her waitout period was over and there were at least 5 very strong pair teams in Russia. When she later on teamed up with Dylan after a while they said they would release her but they were waiting for months for them to actually do so. They missed the GP series and then suddenly the day Antipova's father was due to speak out to the media against the Russian Federation (It was thought Antipova would not make it)that the release came through. I thought the timing might be they were afraid Lubov's story may hit the news again. Why would they help the competition by building someone else's team.
 
Rock2 said:
The ladies coaches in Russia seem to specialize in pre-pubescent skating, focusing on small, consistent jumps and developing a real presence on the ice. Both are good things but that strategy doesn't seem to survive puberty.

I haven't seen anyone in Russia help a lady with that transition successfully.
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You may want to qualify that with “in the current era” - coaches of (for example) Irina Slutskaya and Maria Butyrskaya would probably take issue with that statement given the ages when they won their world titles. I doubt either of them are coaching anymore and even if they were, I wouldn’t suggest them as a coach for Janny, but there have been coaches in Russia capable of coaching mature women in the past. It’s just not the current model.
 
Erin said:
You may want to qualify that with “in the current era” - coaches of (for example) Irina Slutskaya and Maria Butyrskaya would probably take issue with that statement given the ages when they won their world titles. I doubt either of them are coaching anymore and even if they were, I wouldn’t suggest them as a coach for Janny, but there have been coaches in Russia capable of coaching mature women in the past. It’s just not the current model.
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Exactly... if the system changed. The age limit changed, they would find a way to adapt. Or in fact they have to find a way to adapt.
 
Erin said:
You may want to qualify that with “in the current era” - coaches of (for example) Irina Slutskaya and Maria Butyrskaya....
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I get your point but I think 'current era' is understood.

6.0 was a whole different standard of skating. 'Sophisticated' was more valued in ladies, and USA was seen as the standard as far as that goes. Skaters like Ito, Bonaly and even Harding were held back or had to be that much better to overcome what the standard was then.

IJS opened the door to whole new brands of skating to be successful, so I'm only considering the landscape of the last 10 years at the most.
 
barbarafan said:
I doubt whether Russia would release her (ever??) Russia would not release Lubov after her waitout period was over and there were at least 5 very strong pair teams in Russia. When she later on teamed up with Dylan after a while they said they would release her but they were waiting for months for them to actually do so. They missed the GP series and then suddenly the day Antipova's father was due to speak out to the media against the Russian Federation (It was thought Antipova would not make it)that the release came through. I thought the timing might be they were afraid Lubov's story may hit the news again. Why would they help the competition by building someone else's team.
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They better release her after what they did to her in the 2018 season after she got injured.
 
She has to wait 2 years if they refuse to release her. And a year, if they don’t. An eternity.
 
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