Boyang Jin cheer thread!

[Japanfan]

Yes. But I would hope that his personality is not bound by Star Wars, Spiderman, and Chaplin. For example, I think he could take on An American in Paris (though I hope not because I hate that old warhorse) or Don Quixote (because it's upbeat and expressive).

Basically, I would like for him to expand his range and think it's necessary if he is gunning to compete for OG in 2022.

You want him to explore more with Don Quixote? American in paris? Yikes. The familiarity alone makes exploration hard due to the safety of those songs being familiar. [/QUOTE]

No one hates the old chestnuts more than I do. Though the level of hatred depends on how much I dislike the music - for example, dislike Carmen far much more than POTO or Dr. Zhivago, which I love.

Don Quixote has not been overdone as much as some other pieces in some of the skating that I have seen

And I really like that music as well. Takeshi Honda's SP to it at the 2002 Olympics is one of my favorite programs of all time.

I think i understand what you mean. The examples you have made me squint.

They were just the pieces of music that first popped into my mind, I wasn't thinking of them for Boyang specifically.

I don’t mind Star Wars. I don’t think he was interpreting it literally. I think Lori used the music because of the framework it gave him to live up to. As in, i didn’t get starship from it. The cut was probably Lori’s worst. It was not harmonious. Still i didn’t mind it. The Spider-Man was cheesy and i found myself loving it. I was in chicago at Skater America where he bombed honestly. Still i liked the work of Lori.

I like both those programs as well.

Asking someone not artistically inclined to communicate uncharted territory isn’t easy.

I don't that Boyang has no artistic inclinations whatsoever. His Spider-man would suggest otherwise, although it was a wacky program. It's true that he's focused on the technical, but he's also indicated that he wants to grow.

And exploring new territory is part of growing artistically, for those skaters that are interested in growing that way.

So many skaters have stumbled on to the artistic orientation that comes to define them, and then taken that orientation to a new level - i.e. Shibs with Coldplay, D&R with the piece of music they (re)skated to for the FP this year. Or Kevin Reynolds' memorable rock'n'roll routines.

The clay isn’t the same with jin BUT, he’s clearly willing. His improvement is contra say... Max Aaron who literally ignored skating skills and posture until the 11th hour.

Anyway, I’m a fan and I’m interested in seeing him Improve.

I actually thought Max made a decent attempt to stretch himself artistically with "Black Swan".

But no, the clay isn't the same. I think Boyang is more pliable than Aaron or some others in the past (i.e. Keven Van De Perrin -sp?).

I also think he is willing to take instruction, and willing to do whatever he needs to have his best shot at OG in 2022.

To that end, I hope his team is on the money. And I look forward to seeing what he'll come up with next season.

 

[skateboy]

A video interview with Boyang's mother (wow, he looks so much like her!). This was filmed just before the Pyeongchang games. English subtitles are included in the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVu67BSh2Lg&feature=youtu.be

 

[Seerek]

Jin falls in the category of skaters whose best examples of interpretation and choreography are actually in their exhibition programs and not their competition programs.

I think Lori N. or Brian O. need to make sure Jim's arms are always doing something throughout the program; he has a tendency to let the arms randomly droop at times, which appears gangly on TV.

 

[Japanfan]

I think Lori N. or Brian O. need to make sure Jim's arms are always doing something throughout the program; he has a tendency to let the arms randomly droop at times, which appears gangly on TV.

Do any of our Chinese posters have news about the work Boyang will be doing in the off-season?

 

[skateboy]

Do any of our Chinese posters have news about the work Boyang will be doing in the off-season?

I'm not Chinese, but there's talk of Boyang working with Brian Orser for the summer.

 

[nimi]

Watching this on loop and giggling

https://twitter.com/BoyangFanpage/status/989511196809150464

 

[Japanfan]

I'm not Chinese, but there's talk of Boyang working with Brian Orser for the summer.

I think Orser might be able to take Boyang to the next level artistically.

 

[arakwafan2006]

I am most looking forward to seeing how Tracey Wilson will help his basic skating skills

 

[DobrinFan]

It's now OFFICIAL! Boyang to Brian Orser, no, not for summer, it's permanent

China's Boyang Jin will join Brian Orser and Tracy Wilson's team at the Toronto Cricket Club in mid-June. Orser said this will be a permanent arrangement.

"Technically he is very sound, so we will be giving him the direction and the guidance that we gave to Javi. We want to go through the same kind of process with him," Orser said. "I think he is mature enough to handle it. Also with the 2022 Olympics being in Beijing, it is important to get him prepared to medal at those Games."

Jin is already in Toronto working with choreographer Lori Nicholl on new programs for the upcoming season.

Source: https://twitter.com/ifsmagazine/status/1001280753366458369, https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157372988562538&id=278550292537

 

[skateboy]

It's now OFFICIAL! Boyang to Brian Orser, no, not for summer, it's permanent



Source: https://twitter.com/ifsmagazine/status/1001280753366458369, https://www.facebook.com/IFSmagazin...HFZww5pPDBY_mzJ9K5jPB-PRSdzuvdw-nWtuE-zyLhvCY

Yes, yes, YES!! This is so exciting!

 

[Japanfan]

Permanent - wow! The Chinese fed is really pulling all the stops out.

I hope it will work out better for Boyang than it did for Nam. Nam lost his jumps when he grew and I don't know whether he couldn't be helped with that, or Brian couldn't help him with it, or Brian tried and failed.

Boyang has a full arsenal of jumps as well as energy to spare, commitment and his eye on the prize of 2020. So looking forward to seeing how he will evolve under Brian.

 

[barbarafan]

Permanent - wow! The Chinese fed is really pulling all the stops out.

I hope it will work out better for Boyang than it did for Nam. Nam lost his jumps when he grew and I don't know whether he couldn't be helped with that, or Brian couldn't help him with it, or Brian tried and failed.

Boyang has a full arsenal of jumps as well as energy to spare, commitment and his eye on the prize of 2020. So looking forward to seeing how he will evolve under Brian.

There is a tremendous amount of work involved to keep and/or get back your jumps both on and off the ice when you have a large growth spurt and adjustment to technique. If you don't put the time in and listen to guidance you are SOL. I don't think coming from China and their training centers that Boyang lacks in any way work ethic. He will be fine.

 

[skateboy]

Nam's growth spurt was really substantial... he went from being a tiny kid with big jumps to a tall, lanky guy with an entirely different body to deal with. Boyang said he grew a little bit, two seasons ago, which threw him off for a short time.

But now Boyang is nearly 21 years old and more than likely won't experience any significant growth from here on in.

 

[barbarafan]

Nam's growth spurt was really substantial... he went from being a tiny kid with big jumps to a tall, lanky guy with an entirely different body to deal with. Boyang said he grew a little bit, two seasons ago, which threw him off for a short time.

But now Boyang is nearly 21 years old and more than likely won't experience any significant growth from here on in.

He definitely should be fine but should he have been younger he still would have been fine as he has the proper attitude. You cannot just wake up in the morning and all your problems are solved. You must work at it.

 

[Tavi]

Nam's growth spurt was really substantial... he went from being a tiny kid with big jumps to a tall, lanky guy with an entirely different body to deal with. Boyang said he grew a little bit, two seasons ago, which threw him off for a short time.

But now Boyang is nearly 21 years old and more than likely won't experience any significant growth from here on in.

I can’t wait to see the results of Boyang’s work with Orser. I really developed a soft spot for him this year!

 

[DobrinFan]

Excerpt from Icenetwork article:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2018/05/31/279137174

Brian Orser sees a little of a young Javier Fernández in 20-year-old Boyang Jin.

"He is super talented but a bit of a loose cannon, like Javi was when he came to me (also at age 20)," Orser said. "I have to give him direction and purpose. That will come with maturity."

The new president of the Chinese Skating Association, Xue Shen, the 2010 Olympic pairs champion with husband Hongbo Zhao, approached Orser at worlds in March to discuss the possibility of his coaching Jin. The skater staggered into 19th place at worlds after winning bronze the previous two years.

"With the next Winter Olympics in Beijing, she (Shen) is shaking things up a little," Orser said. "I know it's about medals, medals, medals in Beijing."

Orser said Wednesday he has had no extended conversation with Jin since the deal was struck. They chatted briefly at a show in South Korea last month, when Orser also had the meeting with Medvedeva that led to her upcoming training move to Canada.

Although Jin is in Toronto doing choreography with Lori Nichol, Orser does not expect to work with him until mid-June. The coach is going on vacation next week and then to Japan for a Hanyu ice show.

When the Japanese Skating Federation approached Orser about having Hanyu work with him in 2012, the coach asked Fernández to sign off on the idea. Orser approached the Jin situation differently with Hanyu when they met in April at the Japanese superstar's apartment in Toronto.

"I didn't really ask [Hanyu] for permission," Orser said. "I just threw it out there to get his reaction, and I didn't really get one. I'm sure if there was an issue, I would have heard about it by now."
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Orser said he will arrange schedules to avoid having daily "star wars" at the Cricket Club in the upcoming season.
"I don't expect to have them all on the ice at the same time, except when they are just doing stroking," he said. "And we have ice time at another rink, so it will be manageable."

 

[Japanfan]

He definitely should be fine but should he have been younger he still would have been fine as he has the proper attitude. You cannot just wake up in the morning and all your problems are solved. You must work at it.

You refer to 'Boyang' when you say 'he', right? I think he is at the perfect age to make the change to Orser. He has the maturity to understand that he needs to improve his artistry and the maturity to do do so. Technically he's already strong - the melt-down at Worlds was an exceptional event for him IMO. I think he is so used to being a solid jumper that the first mistake rattled him and it was all downhill from there. Hopefully team Orser will help him to learn how to put one mistake behind him.

 

[barbarafan]

You refer to 'Boyang' when you say 'he', right? I think he is at the perfect age to make the change to Orser. He has the maturity to understand that he needs to improve his artistry and the maturity to do do so. Technically he's already strong - the melt-down at Worlds was an exceptional event for him IMO. I think he is so used to being a solid jumper that the first mistake rattled him and it was all downhill from there. Hopefully team Orser will help him to learn how to put one mistake behind him.

Strong Mindset is one of the things that Brian is supposed to bring to the table.It is a very positive atmosphere and they are very attuned to each skater's personality.

 

[skateboy]

A taste of some footwork from one of Boyang's new programs for this season!

https://twitter.com/BoyangFanpage/status/1003638755008266241

 

[screech]

You refer to 'Boyang' when you say 'he', right? I think he is at the perfect age to make the change to Orser. He has the maturity to understand that he needs to improve his artistry and the maturity to do do so.

Boyang is the same age Javi was when he moved to Brian, and we've seen the wonders Brian worked with him. IMO Jin has the flair of a performer (Spider-Man!!), just needing the right way to break through, and I think TCC could be the right place to help him flourish.

 

[skateboy]

Boyang new SP! (Peter Frampton, While My Guitar Gently Weeps):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6NZyNuXUk&feature=youtu.be

 

[Japanfan]

Boyang new SP! (Peter Frampton, While My Guitar Gently Weeps):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6NZyNuXUk&feature=youtu.be

Love this music choice - I don't recall any skater using it before but could be wrong about that especially in terms of exhibitions because I watch so few of them.

To me this program is indicative of Boyang's potential. He's not a classical skater, but there is so much more for him to explore (Kevin Reynolds finding his niche in rock'n'roll comes to mind).

I wish Boyang would consider using this music for a competitive program.

 

[skateboy]

I wish Boyang would consider using this music for a competitive program.

This is Boyang's competitive SP for 2018-19.

 

[Japanfan]

This is Boyang's competitive SP for 2018-19.

So looking forward to it! A great music choice for Boyang IMO. It's a departure from his usual Boing-Boing, but relatable and contemporary. I don't know that I can ever imagine Boyang being well-suited to classical music, but who knows how he'll reinvent himself under Brian?

 

[BittyBug]

....but who knows how he'll reinvent himself under Brian?

I thought he did not end up staying in Canada?

 

[skateboy]

I thought he did not end up staying in Canada?

Well, he's been back in China and Japan for shows. Rumor is Boyang's not going to Orser after all, but no official word on that yet... no one knows his plans for sure.

 

[Tavi]

Well, he's been back in China and Japan for shows. Rumor is Boyang's not going to Orser after all, but no official word on that yet... no one knows his plans for sure.

If you trust TSL - they pretty much came out and said he’s not going.

Which is really sad, if true!

 

[aftershocks]

Yes, I just came here to find out more. TSL's recent episode discussing The Ice and Asian Trophy programs mentions that Boyang is no longer with Orser, after all the build up when the coaching relationship was initially confirmed. I wonder what happened? Was there some difficulty working out training and compensation details with the Chinese fed? Or did Orser determine there was limited overall potential for Boyang, aside from his stellar jumping abilities?

I find Boyang's sp okay to watch, but again not very authentic in terms of expressing who Boyang is personality-wise and skating style-wise. I don't think he's figured out his on-ice style. And despite his obvious hard work and eagerness to learn, Boyang is simply not a musical skater. He can project and perform to the audience, but not very memorably nor with uniqueness, depth or solid conviction.

 

[greenapple]

Boyang Jin never went to work with Orser so it is not possible that "he is no longer with Orser." Orser is currently on his way to China so who knows what might happen going forward.

 

[aftershocks]

Right, TSL is not a reliable source of information. Lease was overly trashing Boyang's new sp. While I don't find Boyang to be a musical skater, and the program doesn't do much for me, Lease's negativity about the program was OTT. Not at all constructive.

So maybe we'll hear more confirmation from trustworthy sources about whether Orser might eventually assist Boyang in some capacity or not.