Ross Miner Out Of Olympic Team (OFFICIAL)

[Allskate]

NBC is showing a repeat of the men now. Tanith, Scott, and Terry are talking about the men's team selection. Tanith says she would have done the same thing if she were on the selection committee. Scott is friends with Ross, but understands the decision.

Hamilton and belbin just being disgusting USFS hacks with no integrity.

Yes, everyone who disagrees with your gazillion posts of outrage are disgusting hacks with no integrity.

 

[bardtoob]

USFS is clearly free to do what they want, but I'm in agreement that this wasn't right and is a definite turn off for me.

Believe it or not, I am actually more disgusted than when Mirai Nagasu was left off the team, and I am a fan of Mirai and do not follow Adam, Jason, or Ross, in particular.

 

[caseyedwards]

In the same ISU world standings Bobrova/Soloviev are #2. Does that mean they are really second best dance team in the world?

It’s hilarious! Nothing means less than isu rankings

NBC is showing a repeat of the men now. Tanith, Scott, and Terry are talking about the men's team selection. Tanith says she would have done the same thing if she were on the selection committee. Scott is friends with Ross, but understands the decision.

Hacks

 

[bardtoob]

NBC is showing a repeat of the men now. Tanith, Scott, and Terry are talking about the men's team selection. Tanith says she would have done the same thing if she were on the selection committee. Scott is friends with Ross, but understands the decision.

The USFSA has retroactively killed the win of Rudy Galindo for me.

 

[jiejie]

Of course ISU World Standings shouldn't be taken literally, but in broad terms with respect to Adam Rippon, they show two things: (1) He's certainly been able to place well in major international competitions (which he wouldn't have if the international judges thought he was just a middle tier pretender) and (2) He's significantly farther up the ranks than Ross Miner, which is really the relevant comparison here.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

A former competitor and coach posted this food for thought on their Facebook page.

Has anyone ever thought, “how does this effect the minds of budding young figure skaters and their parents?” What do they and the public gleam from all this. US Figure Skating may want to start a televised special on how our sport is still fair and why parents and skaters should still invest, sacrifice and support skating.

 

[overedge]

Sorry if this has been answered already, but who actually formally appoints the Olympic team members? Is it USFS, or is it the US Olympic Committee? So IOW, when USFS submits the names to the USOC, does the USOC have the power to override that decision?

 

[Karina1974]

You can’t say no silver medalist has ever been dropped before because obviously 1994 ladies but that was with 2 spots and now you have three and the silver medalist was dropped and declared a meaningless loser interloper!

Why would we have sent a youngster like Kwan over a defending Olympic/World medalist???

 

[zoe111]

Believe it or not, I am actually more disgusted than when Mirai Nagasu was left off the team, and I am a fan of Mirai and do not follow Adam, Jason, or Ross, in particular.

Agreed. I like Jason of all our men, probably the best but as I said, I tend to follow mostly ladies and pairs. But a competition has to count for something and even if a bow comes into play in team selection, you shouldn't list 2018 nationals as a tier 1 criteria if it isn't weighted more heavily than the rest. Tier's have to count for something. 3 tier 3's = 1 tier 1 for example. I just really feel like this kind of tom foolery behind the scenes is further damaging to USFS's already shaky reputation for being 'not quite above board' (figure skating's reputation really has the same issue). This just doesn't help and it's so unnecessary. If it was for Nathan, I get it and that would be the right decision. But not for a skater who isn't going to medal anyway. I hope for Adam's sake he skates lights out there because if he cracks under the pressure, there will, sadly, be an uproar.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Moving forward to PyeongChang, don't think this decision won't affect how international judges will perceive Adam and Karen, either.

 

[Allskate]

Of course ISU World Standings shouldn't be taken literally, but in broad terms with respect to Adam Rippon, they show two things: (1) He's certainly been able to place well in major international competitions (which he wouldn't have if the international judges thought he was just a middle tier pretender) and (2) He's significantly farther up the ranks than Ross Miner, which is really the relevant comparison here.

I would also add this. Even Scott, who is friends with Ross, understood that Ross is not very dependable and that the USFSA is looking for what's best for the team as a whole. If something were to happen to Nathan just before the Olympic team competition, who would you want in his place, out of Adam, Ross, Vincent, and Jason? Ditto for Worlds, where the number of men for next years Worlds will be determined.

 

[misskarne]

A bit late, but @misskarne is going to be so happy about this when she sees it in the (tomorrow) morning

Had I not been lying down while reading it, I probably would have fallen over. I was fully expecting USFS to go hard on the body of work stuff for Olympics and Worlds. Given how little the USFS has cared in the past for 4CC I wasn't expecting them to go hard at it for that.

I'm thrilled that this weekend won't be the last time I see Max skate but I'm also gutted for Ross and Grant.

 

[caseyedwards]

Why would we have sent a youngster like Kwan over a defending Olympic/World medalist???

You wouldn’t! That’s the point. When someone is injured and not competing but available you name them! I support injury byes. I don’t support bomb byes.

 

[caseyedwards]

I would also add this. Even Scott, who is friends with Ross, understood that Ross is not very dependable and that the USFSA is looking for what's best for the team as a whole. If something were to happen to Nathan just before the Olympic team competition, who would you want in his place, out of Adam, Ross, Vincent, and Jason? Ditto for Worlds, where the number of men for next years Worlds will be determined.

I don’t know if Scott Hamilton is friends with Ross miner? And is it still true if it was before?

 

[bardtoob]

Ross and Mark should fly up to meet Tonya for a viewing of "I, Tonya" with an all media blitz

 

[Skittl1321]

A former competitor and coach posted this food for thought on their Facebook page.

Has anyone ever thought, “how does this effect the minds of budding young figure skaters and their parents?” What do they and the public gleam from all this. US Figure Skating may want to start a televised special on how our sport is still fair and why parents and skaters should still invest, sacrifice and support skating.

"You have to be consistent. Every competition counts. To get to the Olympics, it's not one day, it's 2 years of results they look at."

What's the problem?

Ross is on NBC now. I'm going to soak up am incredible silver medal winning performance. He won that medal.

 

[caseyedwards]

"You have to be consistent. Every competition counts. To get to the Olympics, it's not one day, it's 2 years of results they look at."

What's the problem?

Ross is on NBC now. I'm going to soak up am incredible silver medal winning performance. He won that medal.

Exactly! Everyone must know if they are really terrible one event they need to quit the season and maybe the sport.

 

[Allskate]

Has anyone ever thought, “how does this effect the minds of budding young figure skaters and their parents?” What do they and the public gleam from all this. US Figure Skating may want to start a televised special on how our sport is still fair and why parents and skaters should still invest, sacrifice and support skating.

I keep seeing this, and I don't know why it is such an issue. I can understand the difficulty of talking to a kid about unfair scoring. Then you have to have the discussion about how life isn't always fair. (How many of you, as adults, have seen the wrong person get a promotion or job for really dubious reasons? Do you just say to yourselves that you therefore will leave the workforce?)

But, I don't think that's the issue here. The issue is that one performance isn't enough and that you have to persistently try and do your best. My sister does this all the time with my niece, who is a first grader. My niece gets rewarded for an excellent report card. But excellent doesn't mean she has to get top grades on everything. For example, my niece has a speech impediment. She gets poor grades on her speech. But, if she gets a top grade for effort, my sister is very happy with that. OTOH, my niece got a great grade in reading and is reading above her grade level, but my sister is not happy with how little effort my niece puts into reading. My sister would never be happy with my niece or nephew just getting one great grade on one test if they aren't consistently trying and doing their best. And if I were hiring someone for a job, I would look at their entire resume, not just one accomplishment, even if that one accomplishment was significant.

 

[Brenda_Bottems]

Leaving all-American Miner off the team is a disgrace,why even bother to hold Olympic Trials if the decision is to be made by out-of-touch elites?

-BB

 

[bardtoob]

Do you just say to yourselves that you therefore will leave the workforce?

No, just leave the competitive audition that is figure skating to the flouncy and sparklely

Skating to a 10 year old is not the workforce and adults can change jobs.

 

[VGThuy]

Leaving all-American Miner off the team is a disgrace,why even bother to hold Olympic Trials if the decision is to be made by out-of-touch elites?

-BB

What makes Miner more all-American than Rippon and Zhou?

 

[Bellanca]

I received a text from a friend of mine asking if this is how USFS is trying to create and draw more interest re the sport, by going mob w/ the men's event and making the decision in a smoke-filled back room before the comp has even taken place. I explained to him the criteria - and he laughed... Casual fans, alike, who have been told (in detail) the holy grail criteria used for deciding Olympic teams in the sport are having negative reactions. Déjà vu all over again. Good luck w/ that, USFS.

 

[DimaToe]

What makes Miner more all-American than Rippon and Zhou?

His hairline

Had to lighten the mood y’all

 

[rhapsody]

What makes Miner more all-American than Rippon and Zhou?

Blonde hair, blue eyes, and straight.

I really hate that term. And also to what's her face, this wasn't an Olympic trials.

And I say that as someone who's gutted for Ross.

 

[bardtoob]

I received a text from a friend of mine asking if this is how USFS is trying to create and drive more interest in the sport, by going mob w/ the men's event and making the decision in a smoke-filled back room before the comp has even taken place. I explained to him the criteria - and he laughed... Casual fans, alike, who have been told (in detail) the holy grail criteria used for deciding Olympic teams in the sport are having negative reactions. Déjà vu all over again. Good luck w/ that, USFS.

They are certainly creating interest in "I, Tonya"

 

[Areski]

Not even first alternate. That's just downright nasty

I agree. Outrageous. Gutted for Ross Miner. This 2nd alternate really sucks. What a farce.

My teams actually likely would be:
Olympics: Chen, Miner, Rippon ... but I can understand Zhou as well. I love Rippon's skating and he's been consistent and well ... Zhou does nothing to me (but I gasp when he does clean 4Lz-3t admittedly). I do not think that Rippon's body of work was outstanding enough though to make a case though to be absolutely honest) so IDK. I can understand those leaving him off them team but I'd still reward with Worlds. Or maybe let Zhou / Rippon skate off at 4CC.
Worlds: Chen, Zhou, Rippon
4CC: Zhou, Hochstein, Brown

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Do they name these twelve At any time?

I need to watch 12 Angry Men again.

 

[Allskate]

No, just leave the competitive audition that is figure skating to the flouncy and sparklely

Quit what you love because your long-term success depends on your body of work and not just your performance in one competition? You would tell your kid that? Really?! I wouldn't.

 

[centerpt1]

So now will most top US skaters miss Nationals-since if they were at GPF they're going to Worlds/Olympics? Nationals is the new sectionals- a way for the non international skaters to move up for the future?

 

[bardtoob]

Quit what you love because your long-term success depends on your body of work and not just your performance in one competition? You would tell your kid that? Really?! I wouldn't.

I do not think Adam's body of work is very good. Adam's placements are mediocre with random noise from weak content. I would rather watch old Tim Goebel videos.

. . . And that is the point. Adam is not good enough for his "body of work" to be considered.