Ross Miner Out Of Olympic Team (OFFICIAL)

I think people need to also frame Nationals as its own competition as well. Winning a medal there and being put on primetime television and getting funding for next season and being considered for internationals also makes Nationals a prestigious competition in of itself. Nationals is different from international competitions like Worlds and the Olympics because although all of them have some sort of internal politicks going on, Nationals is way more local and that breeds a special kind of culture where making it on top there is its own distinct accomplishment.

As for the playoffs, I get the excitement of a team who may not have had the best record someone getting a wildcard spot and then all of a sudden killing it during the playoffs over teams with much better records is part of the appeal of sports. That said, Miner's playoffs were the international events this fall and he would have failed to make it to the next round. Nationals is like the last game of the season for a team that already had no chance to make the play-offs, where he beat a potential team who was good enough to make it to the playoffs prior to that game.
 
Sylvia posted this in another thread. It's Adam's comment right after he skated last night. I think Adam handled it well. He also had a good grasp on the criteria for Olympic Team selection and understood that international results would matter:

https://twitter.com/garvinthomas/status/949863449118429185

And, yeah, Ross's poor results in international competition did him in:

https://twitter.com/garvinthomas/status/950042960371920896

bardtoob said:
I do not think Adam's body of work is very good.
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Then you must think that Ross's is awful.
 
Let's imagine an alternative history:

Nathan Chen comes down with the flu and drops to third.
Ross Miner wins Nationals.
Vincent Zhou win silver.
Adam Rippon has a very disappointing skate and finishes eighth.
Jason Brown is sixth.
Max Aaron has an incredible FS and somehow moves up to pewter.

Does anyone have any doubt at all who the Olympic team would be under these circumstances?

Nationals matter. They're just not the only thing that matters.
 
Zemgirl said:
Let's imagine an alternative history:

Nathan Chen comes down with the flu and drops to third.
Ross Miner wins Nationals.
Vincent Zhou win silver.
Adam Rippon has a very disappointing skate and finishes eighth.
Jason Brown is sixth.
Max Aaron has an incredible FS and somehow moves up to pewter.

Does anyone have any doubt at all who the Olympic team would be under these circumstances?

Nationals matter. They're just not the only thing that matters.
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Absolutely. Nationals still matter. It's just that Ross had a big deficit going in, but it wasn't impossible AND he got as close as one could be who didn't make the team. Just a little more would have made the difference. Not bad for someone whose past internationals were really bad comparatively.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
Absolutely. Nationals still matter. It's just that Ross had a big deficit going in, but it wasn't impossible AND he got as close as one could be who didn't make the team. Just a little more would have made the difference. Not bad for someone whose past internationals were really bad comparatively.
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Ross skated very well and got the same reward as Max Aaron, who bombed.

. . . And I follow and like Max and do not follow Adam, Ross, or Jason.
 
essence_of_soy said:
A former competitor and coach posted this food for thought on their Facebook page.

Has anyone ever thought, “how does this effect the minds of budding young figure skaters and their parents?” What do they and the public gleam from all this. US Figure Skating may want to start a televised special on how our sport is still fair and why parents and skaters should still invest, sacrifice and support skating.
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Well I am a parent and if my child were a skater and I had the money to support their dream, I would instill in my child that getting to the Olympics is not based on one competition, and if this is your dream do your best and if it is not enough, well that is life but if you want it, go for it. (because in reality, that is true).

From a parent perspective it is their risk making the investment in skating with no guarantee of anything. Your kid could be the next Michelle Kwan or the next person who finished last at the ladies event this year. It is a financial risk and a silver medal at nationals during an Olympic year doesn't guarantee anything.

It is really not that hard as long as a parent does not have "my little snowflake" syndrome. Sometimes life is unfair. It is up to a parent to prepare their children for this reality. The end.
 
Allskate said:
NBC is showing a repeat of the men now. Tanith, Scott, and Terry are talking about the men's team selection. Tanith says she would have done the same thing if she were on the selection committee. Scott is friends with Ross, but understands the decision.



Yes, everyone who disagrees with your gazillion posts of outrage are disgusting hacks with no integrity. :rolleyes:
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These are people who competed at nationals trying to say nationals is meaningless?!? Please!
 
bardtoob said:
Ross skated very well and got the same reward as Max Aaron, who bombed.

. . . And I follow and like Max and do not follow Adam, Ross, or Jason.
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Maybe if Ross had beaten Vincent Zhou twice this season like Max did and worked to get his BV as high as Max...Ross had ample opportunity in the past 6-7 years to build an international resume. He never did.
 
bardtoob said:
That's the point . . . Neither Adam nor Ross deserve to be saved by their "body of work".
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:confused: What's the point? You think that Adam and Ross have comparable histories, including the last couple of years? Really???!!! Neither of them has the body of work of Hanyu or Nathan Chen. But that doesn't mean that Ross and Adam have comparable bodies of work. I don't think there is anyone who realistically thinks that Ross and Adam are equally likely to score high enough to help the American team medal in the Olympic team competition or help get enough points at Worlds to get three men next year.
 
bardtoob said:
I love that sport. I competed in it for 10 years.
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Me too! Right now he is taking lessons because I think it is very important for children to learn to swim. For me, it is pretty expensive year round but I want him to be safe at birthday parties and stuff like that. I do secretly hope he wants to become competitive when he gets better LOL. But I wouldn't push it. (I know that is totally OT)
 
Weve3 said:
No surprise that Chrissy scooped the announcement. :blah: I have a good idea who the source was, but I will keep that tucked away or the thread might :lynch: :revenge: :mad:.
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PRlady said:
She's claiming three sources like a good little journalist.
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:skandalChristine's sources were: FSU, her cat Mr. Whipplebottom, and the voices in her head that keep telling her it's still the '90s.

I'm sure she squealed when she heard the announcement - any controversy means more manufactured outrage and more articles, which means more paychecks to buy more Fancy Feast for her and Mr. Whipplebottom.

caseyedwards said:
Rippon is a last placer at gpf! He’s like a joke there!
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:blah:You're such a mess you can't even get your facts straight. Rippon placed 5th and Brown placed last.
 
CantALoop said:
:skandalChristine's sources were: FSU, her cat Mr. Whipplebottom, and the voices in her head that keep telling her it's still the '90s.

I'm sure she squealed when she heard the announcement - any controversy means more manufactured outrage and more articles, which means more paychecks to buy more Fancy Feast for her and Mr. Whipplebottom.


:blah:You're such a mess you can't even get your facts straight. Rippon placed 5th and Brown placed last.
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Rippon placed last though in a different year. Been last or next to last because he’s a quadless journeyman
 
bardtoob said:
ONLY NATHAN CHEN DESERVED TO HAVE HIS BODY OF WORK CONSIDERED!
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:lol: No need to shout. Just be clearer. I didn't get that from your post. You didn't say that. And why would you? The criteria for Olympic team selection clearly say that what the criteria are for everybody. And it doesn't say that only Nathan Chen's body of work is to be considered. Are you saying that the selection committee should have disregarded the published criteria? Or, do you just think that the criteria are wrong and that the criteria should say that only Nathan Chen's body of work matters and otherwise we're going with the placements at Nationals no matter how unreliable or lucky (or unlucky) those medalists are and no matter what the likely impact on the team as a whole is?

essence_of_soy said:
Of all the skaters being sent to the Olympics so far, which have a realistic shot at a medal other than Nathan?
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Not counting the ice dancers? I think anyone who skates in the team competition has a chance at a medal. Also, ice is slippery and people do falter under pressure. The Russian and Japanese women skaters could do really well or falter and an American could slip in.
 
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