Ross Miner Out Of Olympic Team (OFFICIAL)

[caseyedwards]

https://www.instagram.com/rossminerforolympics/

 

[Seerek]

So now will most top US skaters miss Nationals-since if they were at GPF they're going to Worlds/Olympics? Nationals is the new sectionals- a way for the non international skaters to move up for the future?

It's interesting that you bring this up as some Winter sports either;

A.) Don't use their version of the "National Championship" at all as part of criteria, and go strictly with World Cup/Other Pro Tour and World Championships results (alpine ski, snowboard, freestyle ski).

B.) Do not hold a "National Championship" at all during Olympic years, explicitly labelling their qualifying competition "Olympic Trials" (short and long track speed skating).

 

[bardtoob]

The criteria for Olympic team selection clearly say that what the criteria are for everybody.

It does not matter, and it has never mattered.

 

[Allskate]

Dance hasn't been decided yet. However, any of the top three teams in contention for the podium could potentially medal in South Korea.

Right. It's a shame that the ice dancers don't get more attention from the media and from NBC in particular. The American team has a good chance of medaling in ice dance. And the Shib Sibs are fun!

 

[snoopy]

What makes Miner more all-American than Rippon and Zhou?

Brenda Bottems is likely a psued of a known poster (and occasionally posts as BB to troll).

 

[Vagabond]

For those asking what's the point of nationals....it still sets assignments and funding for next season.

It is only one of many criteria used to determine funding.

http://www.usfigureskating.org/story?id=84105&menu=TeamUSA

Finishing tenth at Worlds counts for more than finishing second in Seniors at Nationals.

And as for assignments, not only does the USFSA take other factors (like monitoring and summer competitions) into consideration, but some assignments -- namely GP assignments other than Skate America -- are ultimately determined by other Federations, not the USFSA.

 

[snoopy]

The USFSA is consistent with its BOW approach.

 

[Allskate]

It is only one of many criteria used to determine funding.

Yes, but VIETgrl's point was that Nationals matter even if they aren't a pure Olympic Trials. She's right. And, IMO, it's not just the funding and invitations that matter. Being a Nationals silver medalist with the skate of your life is rewarding on its own. Does anybody really believe that Ross is thinking that his performance last night was pointless because he didn't make the Olympic team?

 

[becca]

It is only one of many criteria used to determine funding.

http://www.usfigureskating.org/story?id=84105&menu=TeamUSA

Finishing tenth at Worlds counts for more than finishing second in Seniors at Nationals.

And as for assignments, not only does the USFSA take other factors (like monitoring and summer competitions) into consideration, but some assignments -- namely GP assignments other than Skate America -- are ultimately determined by other Federations, not the USFSA.

There are plenty of US men who could conceivibly place 10th with a good skate.

 

[NAOTMAA]

I would have been perfectly fine with Ross on the Olympic team and Adam on the world (three spots for next year are at stake so its more important who goes there) but this is a total joke. Not only does Ross not go to Olympics or worlds despite finishing 2nd (when three spots were available) but isn't even 1st alternate in either as well

Neither Adam or Jason will be coming close to the world or Olympic podium so that makes it even more silly. Nationals officially means nothing anymore they should just go full on women's gymnastics and do it all behind the scenes where they can do as they please because that's exactly what they did

 

[Deleted member 53443]

Yes, but VIETgrl's point was that Nationals matter even if they aren't a pure Olympic Trials. She's right. And, IMO, it's not just the funding and invitations that matter. Being a Nationals silver medalist with the skate of your life is rewarding on its own. Does anybody really believe that Ross is thinking that his performance last night was pointless because he didn't make the Olympic team?

To be honest, right now as the situation turned out, he would probably feel better ( short term) if he skated only "good" and placed 4th or 5th. This must suck so bad.

 

[caseyedwards]

To be honest, right now as the situation turned out, he would probably feel better if he skated only "good" and placed 4th or 5th. This must suck so bad.

It’s so sick!

 

[Bellanca]

Let's discuss Max for a moment. It appears that Max did not really have a snowball's chance in hell of making the team either if the rumor going around about Adam and Jason is correct. I've heard from a couple of saying Dick Button would have been named to the team before Max would have - unless he won Nats which makes the whole comp a bunch of insert one swirly brown emoticon here, please.

ETA: If Max had finished 2nd, like Ross, he would have had more political pull behind him, and so removing him would have been a disaster - much like what we have going on now with Ross, meaning Aaron would have stayed on to avoid a PR fiasco. However, in the 3rd spot, believe it or not, Max may have been pretty vulnerable depending on how the other men around him had placed. Politics at its worst.

 

[Yazmeen]

ONLY NATHAN CHEN DESERVED TO HAVE HIS BODY OF WORK CONSIDERED!

REALLY??? Please explain why this is true.

I recently posted Rudy Galindo's 1996 winning skate on my Facebook page. I think I'll watch it again. Because that was 1996 and this is 2018 and the whole judging of this sport has changed. And I'm not going to be a drama queen and claim that what happens today ruins everything in skating that has happened in the past. At least for me.

 

[bardtoob]

REALLY??? Please explain why this is true.

I recently posted Rudy Galindo's 1996 winning skate on my Facebook page. I think I'll watch it again. Because that was 1996 and this is 2018 and the whole judging of this sport has changed. And I'm not going to be a drama queen and claim that what happens today ruins everything in skating that has happened in the past. At least for me.

Because Rudy would not have had a chance today.

 

[NAOTMAA]

Let's discuss Max for a moment. It appears that Max did not have a snowball's chance in hell of making the team either if the rumor going around about Adam and Jason is correct. I've heard from a couple of saying Dick Button would have been named to the team before Max would have - unless he won Nats which makes the whole comp a bunch of insert one swirly brown emoticon here, please.

The Jason as 1st alternate to Olympics AND worlds despite finishing a distant 6th is what REALLY pisses me off more then anything else Ross and Grant getting totally shoved aside! TWO men just to get golden boy Jason Brown closer to the top.

It really is all about their personal favorites and all of this happening as Tonya Harding is getting newfound public attention and glory with "I, Tonya"

 

[Vash01]

Because Rudy would not have had a chance today.

Rudy won the gold, so he would have gotten in, based on rules.

 

[bardtoob]

Rudy won the gold, so he would have gotten in, based on rules.

No, he wouldn't have even won gold.

 

[Skittl1321]

Rudy won the gold, so he would have gotten in, based on rules.

I thought they took that out of the rulebook?

 

[Bellanca]

The best thing that Vincent did was to finish 3rd. He helped himself in a VERY big way. Zhou forced USFS' hand by landing in that bronze position which left Jason off. This was not the plan. As mentioned, Chen, Rippon, Brown was the coveted team, but a couple of skaters dared to muck it up. For all the Zhou it appears that he was on the outside looking in until the FS concluded.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I am still trying to figure out based on what principle the USFS' selection system works? "what's fair" or "what's best for USFS' results"? both are valid....

 

[bardtoob]

I am still trying to figure out based on what principle the USFS' selection system works? "what's fair" or "what's best for USFS' results"? both are valid....

If I thought that USFS was using either, then I would not be done.

 

[Skittl1321]

I am still trying to figure out based on what principle the USFS' selection system works? "what's fair" or "what's best for USFS' results"? both are valid....

The rulebook says "The mission of the International Committee (IC) is to select the U.S. Figure Skating Team that wins the maximum number of international medals and berths possible by strategically providing experience and exposure to qualified members of the U.S. Figure Skating Team, and by identifying and supporting the best qualified future prospects to develop and achieve the ultimate goal of Olympic and World podium results."

 

[NAOTMAA]

I think we learned here is that "body of work" applies to EVERYBODY no matter what

It's not limited to special skaters who are top medal contenders (guys like Nathan), years of consistent performance competition after competition (none of them except Nathan frankly because Adam and Jason have run hot and cold), out injured but proved them self and are still a strong contender (Michelle/Nancy) or a real strong narrative (Ashley carrying US ladies on her back solo for pretty much a whole quad) but EVERYBODY.

Jason and Adam certainly are better then Ross (and in Jason's case here Grant) but they don't fit any of the above which is probably what many thought this "body of work" rule was really all about. Nobody thought they would use it willy nilly

 

[DimaToe]

Wrong thread

 

[caseyedwards]

Wrong thread

USFS Certainly was on the wrong thread

 

[becca]

The best thing that Vincent did, was to finish 3rd. He helped himself in a VERY big way. Zhou forced USFS' hand by landing in that bronze position which left Jason off. This was not the plan. As mentioned, Chen, Rippon, Brown were the coveted team, but a couple of skaters dared to muck it up. For all the Zhou it appears that he was on the outside looking in until the FS concluded.

What I will never understand is why USFSA would want to send Rippon or Brown over Zhou.

I cannot see the Russian fed, the Canadian fed, or the Japanese fed making that choice. They would all pounce on Zhou and want him to have every opportunity to get experience. But the federation didn't even pounce on Nathan till he got a GPF medal. Any other country Nathan would be 3 time National champ.

 

[NAOTMAA]

As a Max Aaron fan I have to say now that I'm happy that he bombed at this nationals and was never in the running (I can't believe I ever would think this about any favorite ) because it totally spared me, and him, the heartache that would most certainly have come.

NOTHING was going to stop that Chen-Rippon-Brown team in the eyes of the USFSA even if Max had suddenly become Nureyev and Nijinsky reincarnated and landed his jumps

 

[kwanfan1818]

I think the "body of work" was supposed to save a skater like Nathan, a more than superior skater with an off day.

I do not think the "body of work" was supposed to save the best of the mediocre.

While I don't think Rippon is mediocre, I think that's what it was meant to be, aside from, for a while, the farce that Nationals wasn't the Olympic qualifier (to save the TV money for USFS). The TE might have put a wrinkle in it.

Had Wagner had strong SP's in GP this year, I think they would have sent her for the TE SP. Both Chen and Nagasu had weak SP's in the GP this year. Tennell has a small BOW, but she nailed it when it counted.

For Men, unless Chen skates both segments, if the 10/9/8/7/6 placement points remains the same for the free, it's far more important for Chen to skate the SP, where, if he doesn't beat the Japanese skater, he'll stay close, and he will be needed to put points between the US and FRA and ITA and to stay ahead of CHN. In the FS, Rippon and Zhou's SB are very close and a good 15 points ahead of Miner's, but only one of them can skate the TE FS: USFS doesn't need both. Only Chen has reasonable odds of beating Hanyu or Uno, but both Zhou and Rippon's SB FS are 6-7 points ahead of Jin's and, like Miner's, far ahead of Rizzo's or Besseghier's. No one knows which Chan will show up. But unless Chen won't skate in the TE, I don't see how the TE would have factored in the decision to drop Miner for Rippon.

While Edmunds was only 1.58 ahead of Nagasu in 2014, with GJPF the only thing on her BOW at the time, and Miner was a little less than a point above Zhou for silver, the constant here is that the skater they chose they consider the future. While it didn't quite work out the way they thought for Edmunds -- she was third of three US Ladies at her two Worlds, and then suffered injuries and a growth spurt -- Zhou has the tech content, however marked up his protocols are.

Sorry if this has been answered already, but who actually formally appoints the Olympic team members? Is it USFS, or is it the US Olympic Committee? So IOW, when USFS submits the names to the USOC, does the USOC have the power to override that decision?

There's an international committee within the USFS that makes the decision.

I haven't seen the document for 2018, but for Sochi, in June 2013, USFS submitted a long document the USOC to detail its selection process. (That's how we learned how the skaters had to declare in December 2013 their interest and how there was a hierarchy of disciplines which got 1st/2nd/3rd/4th choice.) I assume they, and all of the governing federations, had to do the same for 2018. Unless there is some conflict with the choices with IOC rules, or someone can argue that the process submitted to USOC wasn't followed, if USOC has the power, I don't see it being used to reject the submissions.

 

[becca]

I think they should go for broke use Zhou in free.