The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

[Dobre]

does anyone know who would be in the next group of 5 to be up for a gp in dance if another team drops out

It's currently a group of 11 (host countries should select anyone from the next ten on the SB list at the end of last season, plus Coomes & Buckland who won a Challenger). Teams that have one GP remain on the list until they have been assigned two. If I'm not missing anyone, I think the list is the following:

Coomes & Buckland
Fournier-Beaudry & Sorenson
McNamara & Carpenter
Nazarova & Nikitin
Lorenz & Polizoakis
Popova & Mozgov
Min & Gamelin
Jakushina & Nevskiy
Mansour & Ceska
Smart & Diaz
Koch & Nuchtern

If a team has a current Challenger score that factors among these teams' scores from last season (I think Soucisse & Firus are the only other team that does), it might also be taken into consideration--though that isn't clarified in the rules.

 

[mysticchic]

It's currently a group of 11 (host countries should select anyone from the next ten on the SB list at the end of last season, plus Coomes & Buckland who won a Challenger). Teams that have one GP remain on the list until they have been assigned two. If I'm not missing anyone, I think the list is the following:

Coomes & Buckland
Fournier-Beaudry & Sorenson
McNamara & Carpenter
Nazarova & Nikitin
Lorenz & Polizoakis
Popova & Mozgov
Min & Gamelin
Jakushina & Nevskiy
Mansour & Ceska
Smart & Diaz
Koch & Nuchtern

If a team has a current Challenger score that factors among these teams' scores from last season (I think Soucisse & Firus are the only other team that does), it might also be taken into consideration--though that isn't clarified in the rules.

Thank you

 

[Anyasnake]

Hey guys I am glad I found this thread! I am a fan of ice dance aswell so I look forward to discussing ice dance with you all. I am a fan of V/M, H/D and the shibs

Welcome to the Dance Hall, A.K.A the thread of the best discipline out there !

 

[MarieM]

No ice dance today? WTF? I'm depressed.

 

[Marta24]

No ice dance today? WTF? I'm depressed.

Nope, dance starts tomorrow. I'm probably going to wake up at 4:30 am to watch the comp. It's an insane hour to wake up on a Saturday morning, but with this line up, it's a must. Besides it's a good training for the Olympics

 

[Cherryblossomgal]

Welcome to the Dance Hall, A.K.A the thread of the best discipline out there !

ice dance and ladies are my fav FG disciplines. Something truly magically about those two.

 

[mysticchic]

Welcome @Cherryblossomgal you have good taste

 

[Anyasnake]

Nope, dance starts tomorrow. I'm probably going to wake up at 4:30 am to watch the comp. It's an insane hour to wake up on a Saturday morning, but with this line up, it's a must. Besides it's a good training for the Olympics

Exactly my issue For me, the majority of the skating competition during the Olympics will be on holidays so I'm grateful

 

[Cherryblossomgal]

Welcome @Cherryblossomgal you have good taste

Why thank you~

 

[barbarafan]

Nope, dance starts tomorrow. I'm probably going to wake up at 4:30 am to watch the comp. It's an insane hour to wake up on a Saturday morning, but with this line up, it's a must. Besides it's a good training for the Olympics

Dance starts tonight at 10:45pm in my neck of the woods...EST

 

[barbarafan]

Dance starts tonight at 10:45pm in my neck of the woods...EST

and first warmup group for dance on the ice.

 

[bbkenn]

They're in first but stumbled a bit. Better now than later.

 

[oleada]

So don't go to the play by play in the NHK thread, they're all bashing V&M worse than normal saying things like how trashy they are; how they're "good" skaters but...; like "did Scott get a nose job" and then hoping they'll make mistakes, and then joyful because Scott stumbled at the end of a twizzle, just so we V&M ubers will go crazy... they're so mean and nasty, it's just not necessary to be that obnoxious.

It's a PBP thread. If you want only positive comments on V/M then maybe stick to the uber thread?

I find their SD tacky and inauthentic, and don't think they have a Latin feel. They're World and Olympic champions. Expectations are high for them.

I'm starting to think Papadakis was partly right and they shouldn't do Latin on the ice. 99% of the time it looks cheap af. I'm Latina, and I don't think Latin dancing is cheap (obviously), but the way current teams do it, it looks awful. I may skip the SDs for the rest of the season; I get really irritated

 

[bbkenn]

It's a PBP thread. If you want only positive comments on V/M then maybe stick to the uber thread?

I find their SD tacky and inauthentic, and don't think they have a Latin feel. They're World and Olympic champions. Expectations are high for them.

I'm starting to think Papadakis was partly right and they shouldn't do Latin on the ice. 99% of the time it looks cheap af. I'm Latina, and I don't think Latin dancing is cheap (obviously), but the way current teams do it, it looks awful. I may skip the SDs for the rest of the season; I get really irritated

Wow you're fast. I'd already deleted my comment less than a minute after I posted it.

 

[oleada]

Wow you're fast. I'd already deleted my comment less than a minute after I posted it.

The internet is FOREVER

 

[bbkenn]

The internet is FOREVER

 

[firstflight]

It's a PBP thread. If you want only positive comments on V/M then maybe stick to the uber thread?

I find their SD tacky and inauthentic, and don't think they have a Latin feel. They're World and Olympic champions. Expectations are high for them.

I'm starting to think Papadakis was partly right and they shouldn't do Latin on the ice. 99% of the time it looks cheap af. I'm Latina, and I don't think Latin dancing is cheap (obviously), but the way current teams do it, it looks awful. I may skip the SDs for the rest of the season; I get really irritated

Exactly right. It’s not just ubers of a rival team who find so many of this season’s SD distasteful. Other skating-fan friends of mine have flipped out about V/M’s SD too.

Salsa and Bachata were rhythms available to anyone this season. I’m completely disappointed with what we see instead. It just annoys me how so many teams passed over Salsa (or Bachata) as one of the dance passages.

 

[VGThuy]

Wouldn't WeaPo and even C/B's music choices be considered a bit more what you're thinking? I do know Kaitlyn Weaver saying they were trying to go for more how actual people were dancing to their rhythm rather than ballroom. I also remember people thinking WeaPo's SD was boring even though the way they sold the second half at Skate Canada made me a real fan. I think a lot of skating fans (and judges) get bored of authenticity (and won't recognize it anyway).

 

[Zazy]

I'm starting to think Papadakis was partly right and they shouldn't do Latin on the ice. 99% of the time it looks cheap af. I'm Latina, and I don't think Latin dancing is cheap (obviously), but the way current teams do it, it looks awful. I may skip the SDs for the rest of the season; I get really irritated

I think part of the problem is that latin ballroom is nothing like latin dancing as done in latin countries. Latin ballroom is way too OTT for my tastes, and the recent trend of dancing to non-latin music is a bit strange. I can definitely see how it can come across as cultural appropriation.

But if the skaters are going for latin ballroom, and most of them are, then it's going to be OTT (unfortunately). V/M's program is authentically latin in this regard. It's miles more authentic than their other latin programs and theirs is pretty much the only latin SD I've seen so far that manages to combine skating and latin movement at the same time. Personally that's one of my big problems with latin dance on ice: it's nearly impossible to skate and latin dance at the same time, which makes it a strange choice to showcase the sport in an Olympic year.

 

[forthewin]

Well if people think V/M's SD is tacky or lack of latin feel, I can only imagine what they think of P/C's SD. Because the latter certainly exceeds in those regards. Lol

 

[wickedwitch]

Well if people think V/M's SD is tacky or lack of latin feel, I can only imagine what they think of P/C's SD. Because the latter certainly exceeds in those regards. Lol

Neither is brilliant, IMO. But I had far higher expectations for V/M, who I know are capable of pulling of a great Latin SD, while P/C exceed my expectations.

That doesn't mean P/C should get higher SD marks, just that I'm more disappointed about V/M.

 

[MarieM]

That judging pannel, on the whole, at NHK? I sure hope none of them goes to any other GP or the olys.
Protocol judging from start to finish.

How can a judge give a +2 or a +3 to Sinitsina's twizzles?

How can a judge think the italians were better than the americans??? Come on. I love Anna&Luca, but that SD is "late". They have lost training time, and it shows.

Oh well, the only bizarro thing they did, is that they actually saw Scott's mistake. But not Vika's or Nikita's.

 

[Anyasnake]

Oh well, the only bizarro thing they did, is that they actually saw Scott's mistake. But not Vika's or Nikita's.

Vika's mistake was just... I thought she was going to fly. They didn't skate clean and got way too rewarded.

 

[MarieM]

Vika's mistake was just... I thought she was going to fly. They didn't skate clean and got way too rewarded.

They got +2 and 3s like candy.

 

[MAXSwagg]

Well if people think V/M's SD is tacky or lack of latin feel, I can only imagine what they think of P/C's SD. Because the latter certainly exceeds in those regards. Lol

It's more forgivable for P/C. They're still a young team despite their prodigal and unprecedented success. V/M it's unforgivable. But the issue is not their SD, it's that cheesy free dance. Very, very poor choice.

 

[IoanaC]

It's more forgivable for P/C. They're still a young team despite their prodigal and unprecedented success. V/M it's unforgivable. But the issue is not their SD, it's that cheesy free dance. Very, very poor choice.

In the eyes of some people on this board, V/M have been unforgivably and inexcusably guilty of various things ever since they were 18. It's only fitting that they should finish their stellar career with another poor and unforgivable choice.

 

[rhapsody]

Well if people think V/M's SD is tacky or lack of latin feel, I can only imagine what they think of P/C's SD. Because the latter certainly exceeds in those regards. Lol

They're both heinous. Neither program is as good as either team.

 

[double runner]

It's more forgivable for P/C. They're still a young team despite their prodigal and unprecedented success. V/M it's unforgivable. But the issue is not their SD, it's that cheesy free dance. Very, very poor choice.

Oh wow. I didn't realize judgement was based on age, experience, and/or reputation. I guess that's where I keep getting it wrong because I look at the actual skating skills, composition of the program, and interpretation. My word, by this rationale no skater would compete after a handful of seasons at the risk of being judged based on what they did from seasons of yester-years.

Giving a "pass" because they didn't know any better is a poor excuse.

 

[barbarafan]

They're in first but stumbled a bit. Better now than later.

yes..Scott got too close to the boards and had to scramble...He knows better. With their huge ice coverage &throwing in competition adrenaline they always have to be overly vigilent of their position on the ice.

 

[sap5]

I'm starting to think Papadakis was partly right and they shouldn't do Latin on the ice. 99% of the time it looks cheap af. I'm Latina, and I don't think Latin dancing is cheap (obviously), but the way current teams do it, it looks awful. I may skip the SDs for the rest of the season; I get really irritated

All of the SD requirements don't make sense within the non-ballroom Latin context. No dance will look authentic. If people don't want to see ballroom Latin, then agree the genre should be removed altogether.

As an aside, has anyone protested/tried to remove Latin ballroom from DanceSport? It does seem weird that there's the entire group of dances called "Latin" but apparently has nothing to do with real Latin dances.