The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

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Just from my impressions based on very limited evidence, I think the panel will be controlling the results at the Olympics, at least in the SD. The judges marks show there's a clear hierarchy at play but within those separate groups, the PCS and GOE are super close. It'll be sort of the luck of the draw and just seeing what the numbers magically make happen.
 
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....Or going the France route through Tiffany, they would probably be the second dance team going to the Olympics :) I'm really not trying to be argumentative. I get why they stuck with Russia and what you say about them rising to the top after Russian retirements makes sense. Just throwing out some "what could have been" scenarios given the rich citizenship makeup of these two individuals.

When they got together, if I remember correctly, Tiffanny hasn't completed for France for a while, but Jonathan has competed for Russia recenly. Why would the the Fed release him easily if he had great potential, and trained under a Russian coach and Ilnykh and Katsalapov spin-off teams were a mess.
I, for one, am happy they compete for Russia.
 
Just from my impressions based on very limited evidence, it looks like the panel will be controlling the results again, at least in the SD.

Ouch on C/B and B/S's base score in the SD here. On the other hand, B/S's PCS is very close to what they received at Rostelecom Cup.
 
Russian top skaters also have quite good financial support from the fed and sport's ministry, afaik.
That't why russian ladies, even junior ones, don't usually switch to let's say Belarus or Ukraine :shuffle:
 
Why not? He has the passport. His mother is Russian. Having one parent from another country does not make you not Russian. We are a multi-ethnic society and there are many kids with parents from different ethnical backgrounds.

Pavel Bure probably has French roots (last name), Aivazovski is a great Russian painter of Armenian descent , Sikharulidze is a Russian figure skater whose father is Georgian...


And, of course, I am not saying that he is not Portugese as well.

Pavel Bure has nothing to do with France
https://www.google.com/search?q=pav...me..69i57j0.5085j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
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Lorraine & Quinn:).

Level 4 Rhumba pattern, baby. Best footwork levels of the season for them this year. One program at a time, guys.

Also, I don't know if I've said it here; but I like this SD for Papadakis & Cizeron. I think maybe my favorite program from them since 2014.

The Shibs, Papadakis & Cizeron, Stepanova & Bukin, Hubbell & Donohue, McNamara & Carpenter, Muramoto & Reed. All short dance programs I either already love or have the potential to love this season.

Thank you, Ben, for doing the dance commentary today.
 
So if Bobrova/Soloviev end up with the bronze here, then Hubbell/Donohue will be ahead of them in a tie break scenario if H/D come away with the silver at their second GP, correct? I don't foresee B/S scoring like 119+ in the FD at COC to beat H/D's total score from Skate Canada.
 
So if Bobrova/Soloviev end up with the bronze here, then Hubbell/Donohue will be ahead of them in a tie break scenario if H/D come away with the silver at their second GP, correct? I don't foresee B/S scoring like 119+ in the FD at COC to beat H/D's total score from Skate Canada.
Yes ! Assuming H/D are 2nd in NHK of course. But B/S FD is nice and we haven't seen C/B's FD at all, I hope for them that it will come up stronger in levels than the SD regardless of what medal they get.
 
So, if C/B end up with the Silver here, H/D win Silver and C/L win Bronze next week in Japan, W/P win Bronze and C/B win Silver in France and C/L win Silver at Skate America, we could end up with 5 teams (B/S, H/D, W/P, C/B, C/L) having one silver and bronze with only 3 free spots in the GPF behind V/M, P/C and Shibs. :drama: :scream:
 
Are we really pretending P/C's empty program with manufactured Latin beats can pass for a Latin SD? I feel anyone other than P/C will be punished badly with such program by the judges. But of course not with them.

I feel the same. SMH. Their score though don't reflect that at all though. I like their program though but that SD is not in the same league for me as V/M one. Nevertheless it's refreshing to see that youthful & carefree side of P/C this season.
 
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So, if C/B end up with the Silver here, H/D win Silver and C/L win Bronze next week in Japan, W/P win Bronze and C/B win Silver in France and C/L win Silver at Skate America, we could end up with 5 teams (B/S, H/D, W/P, C/B, C/L) having one silver and bronze with only 3 free spots in the GPF behind V/M, P/C and Shibs. :drama: :scream:

In your above scenario, C/B will have two silvers and thus be in the GPF. If H/D win silver at NHK, then we’ll most likely have three Americans in the GPF for a third consecutive season. It will also most likely cement what we already know about the American ice dance Olympic team and Nationals will only be about the title and which team(s) will have dibs on the Team Event.
 
Nationals will only be about the title and which team(s) will have dibs on the Team Event.

U.S. Nationals will also be about who gets to go to 4CCs and who qualifies as the first alternate. (Always a good chance in an Olympic season that a top team doesn't go to Worlds). Also international medals and world-standing points on the line at Four Continents.
 
Russian top skaters also have quite good financial support from the fed and sport's ministry, afaik.
That't why russian ladies, even junior ones, don't usually switch to let's say Belarus or Ukraine :shuffle:
I agree that played a huge part in their decision to skate for Russia. IMO Didier lost Tiff with his own attitude towards her. Still I Can get why Jon feels he's too russian to accept skating for any other country.
 
Are we really pretending P/C's empty program with manufactured Latin beats can pass for a Latin SD? I feel anyone other than P/C will be punished badly with such program by the judges. But of course not with them.

Um. Virtue and Moir are skating to The Eagles and Rolling Stones for a latin SD and they set a world record. Just saying.

I'm not thrilled with either music choice.
 
Um. Virtue and Moir are skating to The Eagles and Rolling Stones for a latin SD and they set a world record. Just saying.

I'm not thrilled with either music choice.
Virtue and Moir are using music from those two bands who most people don't consider to be Latin music. However, the pieces of music being used in all three musical selections DO have a Latin rhythm. If you were to listen to each of those three pieces you would find that V/M are using parts from those songs that do have a Latin rhythm. I know I was shocked when I heard the bands whose music they were planning to use -- I just couldn't think of the Rolling Stones doing something that was the prescribed rhythim ... until I went and listened to the music. Once I heard them I had no doubt about their musical choices for the SD. It's outside the box thinking ... at least for me and I have thoroughly enjoyed watching their SD from both competitions and the practices.
IF you are interested in hearing the music as it is normally played and compare it to what V/M are using I think you might be pleasantly surprised.
Try these links, please
Sympathy for the Devil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBecM3CQVD8
Hotel California: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9MeTn1i72g
Oye Como Va: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NsJ84YV1oA
 
I'll give you that they have a Latin beat but is it Latin music? Hell no (ETA: Rolling Stones and The Eagles, not Santana obviously). They're good skaters and good dancers but I am pretty universally disappointed when Latin is the theme because it's rarely done well or authentically. And frankly, as good as they are, I don't find V/M to be the exception.
 
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V/M lunatics just get more and more deluded and hypocritical as the days go by. :lol: P/C SD is good, but I like V/M SD better (even though both are not really "Latin"). But it is also not like either team don't have the same amount of "Latin-like dance moves, and P/C do have some janky samba whisks/locks/volta/botafogo-type things (but it is ice so of course everything is going to be janky), etc.). But, for me, V/M FD is just inexcusably cheesy. Major downgrade. I also don't see how any of the short dances can have a "latin" rhythm because the patterns are so restrictive. It's not really possible.
 
Virtue and Moir are using music from those two bands who most people don't consider to be Latin music. However, the pieces of music being used in all three musical selections DO have a Latin rhythm. If you were to listen to each of those three pieces you would find that V/M are using parts from those songs that do have a Latin rhythm. I know I was shocked when I heard the bands whose music they were planning to use -- I just couldn't think of the Rolling Stones doing something that was the prescribed rhythim ... until I went and listened to the music. Once I heard them I had no doubt about their musical choices for the SD. It's outside the box thinking ... at least for me and I have thoroughly enjoyed watching their SD from both competitions and the practices.
IF you are interested in hearing the music as it is normally played and compare it to what V/M are using I think you might be pleasantly surprised.
Try these links, please
Sympathy for the Devil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBecM3CQVD8
Hotel California: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9MeTn1i72g
Oye Como Va: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NsJ84YV1oA
This is the difference for me too. My problem with P/C's music isn't that it's not Latin, I just don't like the cuts and think adding the Latin beat on top of the Ed Sheehan songs just sounds weird. YMMV of course. I know some people don't like Ed Sheeran's music and as actually do quite a lot, but how they're using it is just not working for me unfortunately. Gabby especially sells it well.
 
The only thing that bothers me about P/C's SD is that they were the ones that argued that Latin on ice has always looked "cheap and cliche." So I was hoping that they'd do some real research and innovation and bring something totally new and awe inspiring to the ice. Instead they brought two Ed Sheeran pieces, slowed down the beat for the first (when the speed of the beat is really the only redeeming thing about that song), and then added a Latin beat to the second. Not at all what I had expected, when there's so much quality Latin music out there, and true Latin movement and feeling that is begging to be properly translated by a team of P/C's caliber. Their program looks like every other Latin ice dancing program, just better skated.

But at least the edges are good, and in the end, none of the above are necessary for good scores anyway (and perhaps even take away, as many of the Latin-like moves I liked in V/M's ACI performance were removed for SCI but the performance resulted in a WR). But I remain disappointed.
 
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Um. Virtue and Moir are skating to The Eagles and Rolling Stones for a latin SD and they set a world record. Just saying.

Exactly. Why am I not surprised that the most rabid Virtue/Moir fans are arguing that the Rolling Stones and The Eagles are authentically Latin? :rofl:

Neither of the teams are skating to what could be called traditionally Latin music. However, they both meet the required rhythms whatever you think about their choices.
 
Exactly. Why am I not surprised that the most rabid Virtue/Moir fans are arguing that the Rolling Stones and The Eagles are authentically Latin? :rofl:

Neither of the teams are skating to what could be called traditionally Latin music. However, they both meet the required rhythms whatever you think about their choices.

If you read above, no one argued that the Stones and Eagles were Latin music bands, Allezfred. The point was that the specific songs Virtue and Moir are using were composed as a samba and a rhumba from the onset. They don't fit the SD criteria by accident, but because that's how they were originally written.
 
The only thing that bothers me about P/C's SD is that they were the ones that argued that Latin on ice has always looked "cheap and cliche." So I was hoping that they'd do some real research and innovation and bring something totally new and awe inspiring to the ice. Instead they brought two Ed Sheeran pieces, slowed down the beat for the first (when the speed of the beat is really the only redeeming thing about that song), and then added a Latin beat to the second. Not at all what I had expected, when there's so much quality Latin music out there, and true Latin movement and feeling that is begging to be properly translated by a team of P/C's caliber. Their program looks like every other Latin ice dancing program, just better skated.

But at least the edges are good, and in the end, none of the above are necessary for good scores anyway (and perhaps even take away, as many of the Latin-like moves I liked in V/M's ACI performance were removed for SCI but the performance resulted in a WR). But I remain disappointed.
Yep. In the full interview, they said Latin is not their popular theme for ice dance as its transformation to the ice may be actually quite tricky. That this style is suited better to the ballroom, not the ice and it is hard to do it justice while performing on the ice. However, after that statement, with which I agree, I expected something original or less common as well. The choreography and their performance are great and they are getting better. But the music choice is a hard part of that short dance to get used to. It is good to see them enjoying the short dance and doing well, but I am still disappointed in terms of the music choice and 'originality'.
 
If you read above, no one argued that the Stones and Eagles were Latin music bands, Allezfred. The point was that the specific songs Virtue and Moir are using were composed as a samba and a rhumba from the onset. They don't fit the SD criteria by accident, but because that's how they were originally written.

Can you point me in the rules where it says the original of music used in this season's short dance must be composed as that rhythm from the outset?
 
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