I, Tonya

MacMadame said:
I think the "big name" costumers cost that much. Tania Bass and Vera Wang types. But you don't have to use them as much as people get sucked into that. I don't want people to think that $10,000 is normal. Just that it's not out of the question either.
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Agree on both of these counts. And to a lot of skaters, even a much less expensive costume is a lot of money. I remember when Meagan Duhamel cut Craig Buntin with her skate blade back at a GP event many years ago and her costume got blood on it, someone commented that they had rushed to get the costume soaked in cold water after so that it wasn't ruined because it cost something like $800 IIRC and she didn't have that kind of money just lying around back then. I wasn't a fan of the costume, but I can't blame her for thinking of the finances. And Meagan was likely in a better financial position than someone like Tonya.

essence_of_soy said:
From memory and from a couple of articles I read at the time, the cost of Nancy's dress was in the ball park of $10K.
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That's my recollection too. And since Tonya was comparing herself constantly against Kerrigan, it doesn't surprise me that she would use a big figure like what Kerrigan's costumes would cost as the figure she throws in the judges' faces.
 
alilou said:
Can't remember where but there's a video out there in which the director (?) says they used CGI (or whatev) to create 3A precisely because they couldn't get a real person to do it. Will find link later.
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I was at the screening and saw the movie, the director and Margot said that they used CGI. Margot said she asked the choreographer Sarah Kawahara if they could find someone to do and Sarah had told them that only 5 women had landed it since Tonya (at the time of the filming, now we have Mirai of course).
 
MacMadame said:
What I can't remember is whether or not she paid for it. I have a vague memory that the costs thrown out where theoretical because Wang donated the dress. But I could be wrong.
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I remember that, too, but I can't find anything saying so.
 
binbinwinwin said:
I was at the screening and saw the movie, the director and Margot said that they used CGI. Margot said she asked the choreographer Sarah Kawahara if they could find someone to do and Sarah had told them that only 5 women had landed it since Tonya (at the time of the filming, now we have Mirai of course).
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Did you personally like the movie?
 
MacMadame said:
What I can't remember is whether or not she paid for it. I have a vague memory that the costs thrown out where theoretical because Wang donated the dress. But I could be wrong.
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I remember reading that too. At the time, it was a great form of publicity for the up-and-coming designer, who's background was in wedding attire.

Wang also designed Nancy's dresses that she wore in 1992 and 1993.
 
bardtoob said:
Did you personally like the movie?
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I'll be honest, that's a difficult question haha, short answer generally, yes. Long answer, it's complicated! There's a lot of good and some not so good but I think generally it's worth a watch. Because it's still somewhat fresh from the festival right now there's some Oscar buzz but I think out of the actors, Allison Janney does have a chance, I enjoyed her very much!
 
http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/03/21/who-is-nancy-kerrigan-dwts-olympic-ice-skater/

"Believe it or not, what Nancy wore on the ice during her competitions were all designed by the famous Vera Wang. Not only did Vera donate these dresses to Nancy, but by wearing them she started the trend among skaters to wear “couture” costumes."

Coco said:
Tonya, Nancy, Oksana and all the peripheral characters inspired some great Halloween costumes that year. Good times.
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I remember "Nancy/Tonya" Halloween costumes, i live near Castro in San Fran... :D
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5518/10674474793_887640a3e4_z.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/0d/c1/60/...ddfd79691--halloween-costumes--halloween-.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/03/5b/aa035b8579f9da68b8e783da23ead374.jpg

... but not Oxana..... she brought her own Halloween Characters....
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos...o-attend-golden-age-photo-picture-id658733452

Does anyone know if this is true?
Baiul playing Henie in a new film?
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...baiul-star-film-sonja-henie-article-1.3459980
http://www.famefocus.com/news/oksana-baiul-star-film-sonja-henie/
 
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Tinami Amori said:
Does anyone know if this is true?
Baiul playing Henie in a new film?
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...baiul-star-film-sonja-henie-article-1.3459980
http://www.famefocus.com/news/oksana-baiul-star-film-sonja-henie/
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According to the Internet Movie Database, Ine Marie Wilmann is playing Sonja. Oksana isn't listed among the cast, but there are only five actors there now. I doubt that's the complete cast. The film is slated to be released in 2018, so they'll probably add more details to the IMDB listing.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7398642/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm

Kiira Korpi is Wilmann's skating double.

http://www.kiira-korpi.net/2017/08/31/queen-of-ice/

Maybe Oksana is going to be the skating double for one of Sonja's competitors?
 
Tinami Amori said:
Does anyone know if this is true?
Baiul playing Henie in a new film?
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...baiul-star-film-sonja-henie-article-1.3459980
http://www.famefocus.com/news/oksana-baiul-star-film-sonja-henie/
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No, the director and producers of the film laughs and says it's fake news. Oksana is not involved. But Kiira is Ine Marie Wilmann's double, that's correct, and Team Surprise is also in the movie.

http://www.vg.no/rampelys/film/norsk-film/avkrefter-ol-stjerne-til-sonja-henie-film/a/24141234/
(Article in Norwegian).
 
MacMadame said:
I think the "big name" costumers cost that much. Tania Bass and Vera Wang types. But you don't have to use them as much as people get sucked into that. I don't want people to think that $10,000 is normal. Just that it's not out of the question either.

A lot of this depends on how elaborate they are. The stuff you see from Worlds contenders often has a lot of different pieces, maybe some cutouts, plus lots of trim (beads, crystals, etc) that has to all be done by hand. Compare that to Peggy Fleming's Olympic FS dress which is very plain and simply constructed.
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And I think Peggy has said in interviews that her Olympic dress was made by her mom, with the chartreuse color honoring some aspect of the region in France where the Winter Games were held in '68. And I remember in an interview with Dorothy Hamill she said 'we could never afford' such expensive dresses. IIRC Linda Fratianne really started bringing the bling. Earlier skaters from wealthy families like Sonja Henie of course used furs, sparkles, etc. long before.
 
Sasha'sSpins said:
And I think Peggy has said in interviews that her Olympic dress was made by her mom, with the chartreuse color honoring some aspect of the region in France where the Winter Games were held in '68. And I remember in an interview with Dorothy Hamill she said 'we could never afford' such expensive dresses. IIRC Linda Fratianne really started bringing the bling. Earlier skaters from wealthy families like Sonja Henie of course used furs, sparkles, etc. long before.
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A lot of this is a reflection of what was fashionable in the rest of the world at any given time. Sonja Henie was dressed for the glamour of 1930s Hollywood before she actually became a film star, whereas Peggy Fleming came up during an era where dresses were simple and plain. Linda Fratianne was the first American skating star of the glitzy, over-the-top 80s, where more was always better when it came to fashion. The skating world and the real world diverged in the 90s, though. On the ice, we still saw a lot of 80s glitz while off the ice women's clothes were rather plain.
 
jenniferlyon said:
On the ice, we still saw a lot of 80s glitz while off the ice women's clothes were rather plain.
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I also found it interesting that in the late 1990's the fashion norms disappeared in terms of length, tailoring, and fabriques. There were trends, but no longer standards for skirt and pants length, silhouette, necklines, etc. At the same time i noticed more variety in skating costume styles as well and often on the same skaters... :lol.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7a/5e/81/7a5e815a91006b7330887fce96d99ffa--sports-women-figure-skating.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d0/14/42/d014422503643a45e8ab7bc158910d92.jpg
http://68.media.tumblr.com/fced6382cec64c9a1919627d66b43c13/tumblr_mhpa7adkWL1r5ashao1_500.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/9a/56/e4/9a56e440517fb97112e9681d17782669--total-divas-russian-womens.jpg
 
This might be a stupid question that I didn't think to ask, but was 1998 the first Olympics that ladies skaters were allowed to go sleeveless? Or did it just not happen until 1998?
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
This might be a stupid question that I didn't think to ask, but was 1998 the first Olympics that ladies skaters were allowed to go sleeveless? Or did it just not happen until 1998?
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Not sure about Olympics, but i remember girls wearing sleeveless dresses way before 1998...
Worlds 1996
Kwan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJwtHxPifjo
Maria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bElDo6C2Dt4
Schewchenko: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PNebOyUIavk/hqdefault.jpg
etc....

also.... was not Harding's and Baiul's dresses in 1994 sleeveless?
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/4d/73/d24d73bfaa5afa019e6ad48b6328ccd5.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/4f/bb/75/4fbb75bd0cd8dbf53825226039bcda9b--tonya-harding-ice-skating.jpg
 
Tinami Amori said:
Not sure about Olympics, but i remember girls wearing sleeveless dresses before 1998...
Worlds 1996
Kwan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJwtHxPifjo
Maria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bElDo6C2Dt4
Schewchenko: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PNebOyUIavk/hqdefault.jpg
etc....
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Kwan and Schewchenko wore sleeves, albeit short ones like Kristi Yamaguchi or Tonya before. I remember Surya also sporting short sleeves as well. I think maybe the rules changed after 1994 where women were allowed to go sleeveless because the earliest sleeveless dresses I could think in competition happened in that 1998 Olympic cycle. I could be wrong though.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
Kwan and Schewchenko wore sleeves, albeit short ones like Kristi Yamaguchi or Tonya before. I remember Surya also sporting short sleeves as well. I think maybe the rules changed after 1994 where women were allowed to go sleeveless because the earliest sleeveless dresses I could think in competition happened in that 1998 Olympic cycle. I could be wrong though.
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Tonya was definetly sleeveless in the red dress in the 94 Olympic sp. Oksana's swan dress was also sleevesless in 94.

i remember Karen Preston is a black sleeveless halter dress in 93 as well.

ETA: and wasn't Gordeeva's R&J dress sleeveless? And that was back in 1990.

I didn't think it was a rule that you had to wear sleeves, but maybe it just wasn't "in"?
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
Kwan and Schewchenko wore sleeves, albeit short ones like Kristi Yamaguchi or Tonya before. I remember Surya also sporting short sleeves as well. I think maybe the rules changed after 1994 where women were allowed to go sleeveless because the earliest sleeveless dresses I could think in competition happened in that 1998 Olympic cycle. I could be wrong though.
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I think Oxana's SP swan dress in 1994 had no sleeves....
 
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