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Indeed. Civilians and soldiers on the ground have to deal with this mess.I think it was Arestovich saying `behing every personal heroic act there is a failure of the system'.
Indeed. Civilians and soldiers on the ground have to deal with this mess.I think it was Arestovich saying `behing every personal heroic act there is a failure of the system'.
Would've preferred not to be tagged in this thread. Thank you.Tagging @reut who is in Israel as well
It does make sense. I also would agree with your analysis that Hammas did probably not anticipate they would be allowed to cause so much destruction and horror before being stopped.I was kind of wondering why thing happened now - rationally speaking, Hammas didn't have any reason to attack. Of course, rationality is not a thing one should consider while talking about Hammas, but I suddenly realized something that was obvious to everyone.
I guess this will fail the potential peace agreement with Saudis, right? That explains the timing and why it was carried out at all, I would guess Iran was super interested in something like this. This also kind of hints the heads of Hammas didn't really plan for this attack to be so successful; something tells me the idea was to send kind of like a suicide squad, have them killed after some clashes, have a small war and go back to status quo, en route blowing up the chances of a peace agreement. But the suicide squad wasn't updated, and managed to cause an amount of damage after which there won't be any legitimation to any Israeli government to toy with Hammas the way Netanyahu has been doing for years.
Do I make any sense? Or is this just a rationalization which is a way to cope with things the brain can't process?![]()
I’ve been wondering about this since it happened. They can’t win and lots of folks will die in Hamas infested communities. What is their endgame?I was kind of wondering why thing happened now - rationally speaking, Hammas didn't have any reason to attack. Of course, rationality is not a thing one should consider while talking about Hammas, but I suddenly realized something that was obvious to everyone.
I guess this will fail the potential peace agreement with Saudis, right? That explains the timing and why it was carried out at all, I would guess Iran was super interested in something like this. This also kind of hints the heads of Hammas didn't really plan for this attack to be so successful; something tells me the idea was to send kind of like a suicide squad, have them killed after some clashes, have a small war and go back to status quo, en route blowing up the chances of a peace agreement. But the suicide squad wasn't updated, and managed to cause an amount of damage after which there won't be any legitimation to any Israeli government to toy with Hammas the way Netanyahu has been doing for years.
Do I make any sense? Or is this just a rationalization which is a way to cope with things the brain can't process?![]()
I agree about Iran. I think Russia is too involved in the Ukraine war, which Russia started.I'm not sure whether we'll ever know whether Russia was involved, but my feeling is that they have probably given Iran the green light to cause havoc, and the recent addition of Iran to BRICs seems significant.
Thank you for the response, TAHBKA. It's always good to be able to ask questions from the community on FSU & get out of one's other boxes.Russia did not back this attack, it had been backing and funding Hamas for ages. Either directly or through Iran. My impression is that the current shit (not only here, but generally in the world) is a result of `Ho, it's ok to invade the neighbour country and everyone will just condone, say be a good boy, don't do it and that's it? Hey, let's give it a try, if Russia could perhaps we can as well!'.
Israel's failure in intelligence and the army is well... would love to blame Russia, but, well, no.
@Andrey aka Pushkin Your explanation is as good as any. My only option for continuous live news yesterday was Fox. They mentioned the timing might have something to do with the anniversary of the assassination of Anwar Sadat, which they said was yesterday.I was kind of wondering why thing happened now - rationally speaking, Hammas didn't have any reason to attack. Of course, rationality is not a thing one should consider while talking about Hammas, but I suddenly realized something that was obvious to everyone.
I guess this will fail the potential peace agreement with Saudis, right? That explains the timing and why it was carried out at all, I would guess Iran was super interested in something like this. This also kind of hints the heads of Hammas didn't really plan for this attack to be so successful; something tells me the idea was to send kind of like a suicide squad, have them killed after some clashes, have a small war and go back to status quo, en route blowing up the chances of a peace agreement. But the suicide squad wasn't updated, and managed to cause an amount of damage after which there won't be any legitimation to any Israeli government to toy with Hammas the way Netanyahu has been doing for years.
Do I make any sense? Or is this just a rationalization which is a way to cope with things the brain can't process?![]()
Yes, that's the majority of currently killed. Only today more than 250 bodies of the kids who went partying were foundTikTok - Make Your Day
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700 dead reported now. Rumors of a unity center-right government with the main opposition parties to exclude the right-wing fanatics (let’s hope but I won’t believe it til I see it.)
My stepson just spent ten hours helping to gather and pack basic necessities for reservists. The army can’t provide socks, shirts, water and food??
There's a rapid mobilization, those are always messy.My stepson just spent ten hours helping to gather and pack basic necessities for reservists. The army can’t provide socks, shirts, water and food??
One of the most popular messages that I have read over the past 2 years is this: why the world supports Ukraine, but not Palestine.Yes, that's the majority of currently killed. Only today more than 250 bodies of the kids who went partying were found
I have a couple of friends far to my left on I/P and I’ve been watching their X posts.One of the most popular messages that I have read over the past 2 years is this: why the world supports Ukraine, but not Palestine.
Killing civilians at a festival is not the best way to gain sympathy from the world. Although the videos of people rejoicing at this fact were no less shocking than the fact of the massacre.
Am sure we'll **** up in no time blowing up a school full of kids (with a basement full of hamas fighters, but who cares) and the pictures will be the opposite.One of the most popular messages that I have read over the past 2 years is this: why the world supports Ukraine, but not Palestine.
Killing civilians at a festival is not the best way to gain sympathy from the world. Although the videos of people rejoicing at this fact were no less shocking than the fact of the massacre.
I agree with the general sentiment that Israel is not simply a victim but this is not "fighting back". This was and is a terrorist attack. I don't think Israel should respond in kind because what is gained by killing innocent and unarmed civilians? If they do that then they wouldn't be any better than the terrorists they're fighting. Still, in this case, it is Israel that suffered a horrible attack and has the right to "fight back".I want to be very clear - I don’t condone violence and I think the way in which Hamas is acting is horrible. I feel really sorry for all the innocents caught up in this (in Israel and Palestine). But if you want to make a Russia/Ukraine comparison - Palestine is Ukraine.
I am sick of the notion that Israel (the government) has done nothing wrong, they are a settler-colonial state and have and continue to be involved in ethnic cleansing. It’s horrendous that this country that came up in the wake of the Holocaust uses similar tactics to the Nazis circa 1930s.
I believe that people have the right to fight back against an oppressor. Talk about peace treaties all you want - do you think the Israeli government would agree to anything that was actually fair to the Palestinians? Would they let Palestine become a country and give them a fair share of land? They’ve disregarded every partition of land and continued to encroach on Gaza and the West Bank. This is what incentivises people to join organisations like Hamas, to have no sympathy for the everyday civilian.