USFS' Athlete Selection Procedures for 2022 Olympics

This is starting to make me feel like I'm in one of those Reddit threads where people explain times where they tried to explain something simple to someone who just could not grasp a concept (like the one where someone just could not understand where chicken wings came from)
 
Is Tahuu Vincent’s mom?
Yeah, I am Vincent’s proud “auntie.” So proud I’d download his nebelhorn videos to check on his landings and would have given him 3 <s out of the 7 qs. It’s just a matter of principle. If you still don’t know what is event score, you should go and read the rule book.
 
Yeah, I am Vincent’s proud “auntie.” So proud I’d download his nebelhorn videos to check on his landings and would have given him 3 <s out of the 7 qs. It’s just a matter of principle. If you still don’t know what is event score, you should go and read the rule book.
Well Phil Hersh seems to lurk here and, according to him, USFS agrees with your interpretation. Wonder who the USFS source is though...

 
So there are two issues...

1) Whether Zhou's Worlds SP score of 70.51 is considered his "event" score officially.

2) Whether the USFS selection committee will treat it as such even though it is his official score.

So...

1) Yes, his SP score is 70.51. That's been established, and every ISU document showing final scores and rankings of 2021 Worlds show this. Hersh pretty much said it as well, and the USFS recognizes it as his "event" score.

2) According to Hersh's journalism, USFS selection committee is going to ignore that score, treat Vincent's performance at 2021 Worlds like a WD as opposed to a DNQ, which is their prerogative, and will only consider his events from 2021-2022.

....

Now there's a question of whether Vincent is getting "special" treatment for this or if the USFS normally does this. I do think there's no question that USFS selection committee does whatever is most convenient for them and chooses to interpret things that further the ideal team that they already have in mind. I can't hate on it too much because their job is to choose the best team for the Olympics, but of course bias and favoritism will be super transparent.

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Well Phil Hersh seems to lurk here and, according to him, USFS agrees with your interpretation. Wonder who the USFS source is though...

And whether they are speaking for the entire selection committee. I'm pretty confident that if most of them want Vincent on the team (if he continues to skate well in the GP season), they'll ignore 2021 Worlds...to an extent.
 
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That’s why I said USFS is not a fool as some are, a reason why so many believe in Trump’s lies in this country.
Like I said, I think you saying what the USFS would do regarding Zhou's 2021 Worlds score and DNQ was always a valid question that anybody could come up with answers for. However, the issue I had was the blanket statement, without context, that Zhou's 2021 score wasn't the event score, when it officially is. The constant denial of it was what got people riled up because you kept saying the opposite. If what you meant to say was that the USFS, in their selection, was going to ignore the official 2021 results and come up with their own interpretation, that would have been different. All you had to do was recognize that 70.51 was Vincent's final score but argue that the USFS will treat it differently, then I think you wouldn't have gotten more than half the responses you did.
 
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If on the off chance that some skater is affected by their ignoring the World's result I could see the decision being contested.
 
USFS being considered the sharpest tool in the box to justify your tirade. Well, I'd rather say it's the blind leading the blind.
 
Well Phil Hersh seems to lurk here and, according to him, USFS agrees with your interpretation. Wonder who the USFS source is though...


I guess since Phil no longer writes for the Trib, he didn’t think his tweet needed to clarify who he spoke to / whether this was an official statement, or to include a disclaimer (ie that his source was anonymous bc not authorized to speak on behalf of organization etc.). And per @MacMadame, apparently neither of them understand medians.😈 Oh well. At least certain posters can now stop obsessing about it.
 
It also seems like USFS doesn't understand how the median is different from the mean since they don't really have to ignore his 2021 Worlds score and it comes out to the same thing.
286.26 =/= 284.23
USFS is not a fool. Who’s?
 
^ oh well fools don’t understand how median is calculated when n=an even number.
Christ, would you give it a rest? Don’t you have a life to live outside of obsessing over Vincent’s scores? Regardless of whether his median is calculated based on an even or odd number of results, it’s meaningless right now. He doesn’t get extra brownie points for his median after two competitions. What matters is what it is when the team is selected and whether his scores are trending up or down.
 
Christ, would you give it a rest? Don’t you have a life to live outside of obsessing over Vincent’s scores? Regardless of whether his median is calculated based on an even or odd number of results, it’s meaningless right now. He doesn’t get extra brownie points for his median after two competitions. What matters is what it is when the team is selected and whether his scores are trending up or down.
Don’t get panic, sis T. Jason hasn’t completed yet. We have some good exchanges over the years. I know you care about Vincent’s scores. For me I absolutely don’t care about his score s. All this is about the correct way to determine the median scores so that we can all see where the skaters stand in terms of their potential placement in the priority groups as the season progresses, which of course is what this thread is about.
 
Don’t get panic, sis T. Jason hasn’t completed yet. We have some good exchanges over the years. I know you care about Vincent’s scores. For me I absolutely don’t care about his score s. All this is about the correct way to determine the median scores so that we can all see where the skaters stand in terms of their potential placement in the priority groups as the season progresses, which of course is what this thread is about.
@Tahuu: as you probably saw, one of the mods has asked that any more conversation on this topic be taken to DM. You’re welcome to DM me if you really want to continue talking about this, but just to let you know, none of my comments to you about Vincent’s median scores had anything to do with Jason. Unless something major changes, I don’t expect Jason’s scores to be in the same range as Vincent’s recent ones. I hope that if Jason makes the Olympic team it’s because he has done his best, and because his best is enough, not because someone else screws up. Despite what you may think, I wish Vincent all the best this season and I’m not hoping for him to fail. Cheers.
 
So, after Skate America...

Men
Group 2 - Nathan Chen & Vincent Zhou
Group 3 - Jason Brown
Group 4 - Ilia Malinin* (214 at JGP Courchevel 1 & 245 at JGP Austria)
*** on the cusp of Group 4 status - Jimmy Ma

Women
Group 2 - Alysa Liu
Group 3 - Karen Chen
Group 4 - Amber Glenn, Bradie Tennell*, Lindsay Thorngren* (181 at JGP Courchevel 1 & 193 at JGP Ljubljana)
*** on the cusp of Group 4 status - Starr Andrews

Pairs
Group 3 - Ashley Cain-Gribble/Timothy LeDuc, Jessica Calalang/Brian Johnson, Alexa Knierim/Brandon Frazier
*** on the cusp of Group 4 status - Chelsea Liu/Danny O'Shea, Katie McBeath/Nathan Bartholomay, Anastasiia Smirnova/Danylo Siianytsia (153 at JGP Poland & 156 at JGP Austria)

Dance
Group 2 - Madison Chock/Evan Bates, Madison Hubbell/Zachary Donohue
Group 4 - Caroline Green/Michael Parsons, Kaitlyn Hawayek/Jean-Luc Baker*
*** on the cusp of Group 4 status - Christina Carreira/Anthony Ponomarenko

* = yet to make 2021-22 senior debut

ETA - it looks like S/S are just missing their Senior TES SP minimum - I wonder if the USFS is going to send them to Golden Spin to try and get it or if they'll just slot them in for Jr Worlds.
 
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Even though C/P are on cusp of group 4 status, doesn’t it matter not one bit because they can’t go to Beijing. Because Christina doesn’t have citizenship, they’re out regardless of results.
 
Even though C/P are on cusp of group 4 status, doesn’t it matter not one bit because they can’t go to Beijing. Because Christina doesn’t have citizenship, they’re out regardless of results.
Yes, and I'm pretty sure that S/S don't have citizenship yet so they won't be in the mix for pairs. I mostly only included both teams because I think it gives us a good baseline for how various skaters/teams are sizing up internationally - for instance - Jimmy Ma is close to being able to place top 15 internationally, same with Starr Andrews, but Audrey Shin has some ways to go, and so forth with both pairs and dance. Sure, on any given day, some of these skaters might score higher but consistency really does matter.
 
Am I reading it right that with Bradie's latest withdrawal and assuming she may withdraw from the next international, then she pretty much can only reach Group 4 at best with a top 5 placement at Nationals?
 
Am I reading it right that with Bradie's latest withdrawal and assuming she may withdraw from the next international, then she pretty much can only reach Group 4 at best with a top 5 placement at Nationals?
I think (if I read it correctly) Bradie can be in Group 3 if she makes bronze or better at Nationals.

Since most of the other US women are going to be no better than Group 3, she should be okay.
 
Am I reading it right that with Bradie's latest withdrawal and assuming she may withdraw from the next international, then she pretty much can only reach Group 4 at best with a top 5 placement at Nationals?
She could make Group 2, maybe, if she is able to compete at Warsaw Cup and Golden Spin (assuming she is assigned) and scores above 208 at each, or if she does just one and scores equal to whatever Tuk scored at Worlds (216?) But I'm not holding my breath that she'll be able to compete at Warsaw Cup.
 
Am I reading it right that with Bradie's latest withdrawal and assuming she may withdraw from the next international, then she pretty much can only reach Group 4 at best with a top 5 placement at Nationals?

I think so. And all of this because of a pair of boots? It’s such a shame
 
I said at the beginning of all this masks, cancellation of events, air travel, hotel reservations....and let's not leave out that everything keeps changing in the Covid Rules.

The ranking order of the disciplines will be based on which disciplines have the best
opportunity to medal and/or provide the strongest field in the individual events and
the ranking order of the athletes/teams will be used to determine which athletes will
have priority in competing in the Team Event. The highest-ranked disciplines will
have the first option of substitution in the Team Event if the U.S. qualifies for the free
skate.
That from the communication. Since there is not a computer program that could rank everything, giving adjusted values, etc. What they are saying....is they are going to pick whom they want.

and this:
"comparison of the placement of the athletes/teams from the 2021 and 2022

Toyota U.S. Figure Skating Championships will be the final tiebreaker for

"athletes/teams with a similar body of work that cannot be separated using
the previous criteria. The placements (as opposed to scores) will be used for
the 2021 and 2022 Toyota U.S. Figure Skating Championships. Placements at

the 2022 Toyota U.S. Figure Skating Championships will have priority over

placements at the 2021 Toyota U.S. Figure Skating Championships."

I assert they are going to chose the people they like and skaters who individuals on the committee
 

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