The standards for the top two groupings are undoubtedly high by design. Even Nathan would have only met the Group 2 standard four years ago. Alysa met the Group 2 standard this time only because Ladies were a disaster at Worlds. However, using the 2019 Worlds scores she would only be Group 3.
USFS' Athlete Selection Procedures for 2022 Olympics
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VGThuy
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That should make some of the "Nationals should count much more" folks a bit happier. Of course, like another poster said, if a skater is consitently within 3-5 points of the top 3 Worlds scores, but just misses it, I'm sure that will be taken into consideration as well.
Phil is aware of the new BoW standards and has been told by USFS that Cranberry scores will be considered.
That’s different?
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Worlds is an EVENT. The SP was part of the EVENT. His score is therefore his EVENT score.
He did not WD. He was not DQ. He competed in the EVENT for every component for which he was qualified. The score is his score for his entire competition (EVENT).
The document says selection criteria are based on selected international event scores. Event score is the sum of SP and FS scores, not SP score.
That’s what baloney for.
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The ISU officially has Vincent’s SP score as his event score for 2021 Worlds. That’s not up for argument. Now you can argue the USFS selection committee may disregard that, but they’re made up of different individuals and some may and some may not. None of us can possibly know unless they tell us.
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Seriously, what part of the word "event" with regard to a figure skating competition do you fail to understand? Vincent's event score for Worlds in 70.51 and there is no amount of twisting the word event into some other meaning that is going to change this.
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He got his 70.51 for the SP + 0 for the FP since he DNQ. There you go. His total score is 70.51.
I'm done. I feel like there needs to be a beating a dead horse emoji (as distasteful as that would be) or a troll emoji.
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He got his 70.51 for the SP + 0 for the FP since he DNQ. There you go. His total score is 70.51.
I'm done. I feel like there needs to be a beating a dead horse emoji (as distasteful as that would be) or a troll emoji.
He didn’t compete in the FS bc he didn’t qualify to complete in that segment. Technically it’s the same as a withdrawal - no total score just SP score. Where in the world he got 0 in the FS?
He got his 70.51 for the SP + 0 for the FP since he DNQ. There you go. His total score is 70.51.
I'm done. I feel like there needs to be a beating a dead horse emoji (as distasteful as that would be) or a troll emoji.
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No, "technically" it is NOT the same as a withdrawal. Stop trying to pretend that it is.
The ISU disagrees with you: http://www.isuresults.com/results/season2021/wc2021/CAT001RS.htm Check out his total score there.
I hope that settles it.
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The idea that you can’t tell the difference between someone withdrawing due to injury and someone being eliminated from the competition due to their scores being too low is so completely disingenuous that it is impossible to take you seriously.
Luckily, it does not matter and this whole argument is a complete waste of time because the point of using the median is to illuminate the influence of outliers. Vincents score at worlds what is an outlier, and therefore is not highly influential on the median. Which is why USFSA is using it. It doesn’t matter what score it is, because the mean is not being used
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I was about to post the same link.
That’s his SP score. Did ISU give or you give him a 0 for his FS? Competition (event) score is the the sum of two segments, SP and FS. How come you don’t understand such simple figure skating rule?
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So you imply a SP score from unqualified segment will be used to calculate the median score but a SP score from a withdrawal will not be used to calculate the median score. Where’s your logic? The median full event score is used to see where a skater’s total score stands. USFS has no interest to use a partial event score to pull down a skater’s median score and penalize him.
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Well, how about this then? This is the overall result page - http://www.isuresults.com/results/season2021/wc2021/CAT001RS.htm
Strange... Vincent's score is still only 70.51 for the ENTIRE COMPETITION (EVENT). How come you don't understand such a simple figure skating results page? How come you keep insisting that Vincent's score from Worlds doesn't exist?
The most hilarious thing about your whole argument against including/considering Vincent's score is that, if you bothered to read the entire selection document, it clearly states that scoring trends will be considered when evaluating whether or not skaters have met the criteria for inclusion in each group. So, if you take Vincent's 70.51 from Worlds as the starting point and look at his scoring trend starting with Cranberry, then clearly he is on an upward trajectory and as long as he continues to score in the mid-high 280s for the rest of the season, or if he manages to break 290 at least once, he is going to be firmly in Group 2 and probably even in Group 1 by the time they meet after the Men's FS at Nationals to determine the Olympic team.
Why you are getting so worked up over whether or not his Worlds SP should or should not be included for consideration is really almost as manic as the posters here who like to beat up on him because he's a threat to their fave, Jason.
Depends if you qualify for the FS. Otherwise it wouldn’t be.
Because one is a final score and one is a WD? Vincent didn’t not go to the FS by his own choice.
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Think of it this way. The person who placed 25th at Worlds in 2021 was Vincent Zhou. The only way they can determine that is by using his SP score as his final event score. Officially, his event score for 2021 Worlds is his SP score. There have been multiple links provided that show off the official placements and scores of 2021 Worlds and they all say the same thing. There is absolutely no argument about this.
Now, arguing about how much weight the USFS will give his non-qualification to the LP, is a different question and I think one that can be argued. Just stop arguing about event score and whatnot. It’s doing much more harm than good if you are making another kind of argument.
Now, arguing about how much weight the USFS will give his non-qualification to the LP, is a different question and I think one that can be argued. Just stop arguing about event score and whatnot. It’s doing much more harm than good if you are making another kind of argument.
At this point your arguments are getting both monotonous and ridiculous. Unless you have consulted with USFS, you have no idea how they will calculate the scores or what they’re interested in.
Moreover, as several people have pointed out to you already, what the median is right now doesn’t matter. At this moment, as has also been pointed out to you, Vincent’s median score is about 284. Do you not understand that it would be the same whether he scored 0 or 70 or 225 or 280 at Worlds? Only if his Worlds score had been higher than 284 would he have a different median right now.
At selection time, if Vincent has performed well all season, his failure to make the FS at 2021 Worlds will probably not mean very much. In the meantime, stop trying to pretend it didn’t happen.
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I'm headed to Skate America in a few weeks where I would hope Vincent will score more than 70 for the competition. I'll see it with my own eyes and keep y'all posted.
USFS is not a fool. Their letter of the law is EVENT score. Event or competition score by the rule book is the sum SP and FS scores.
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Listen, even I as stupid as I am about the criteria, I can understand what everyone else is telling you.
You might just give it a rest for now and see how the year plays out
You might just give it a rest for now and see how the year plays out
Fine. Even though it won’t change Vincent’s median score or current standing in the priority group, I just wanted to point out that using a SP score to calculate the median event score is incorrect and illogical.
Omg stop!!
Yes, I'm sure it's my understanding that's the problem. ?
They should have given Vincent a "DNF" - did not finish. Then maybe you would understand what people are saying.
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