U.S. Men 2024-25 news & updates

Karen-W said:
Let's not forget Tomoki who pulled up 6 spots. All three of our men managed to finish in the Top 10, which is nice.
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Yeah, it’s also nice that their combined placements were fewer than 13, which would earn them 3 spots if that rule was in effect at 4CC. I know they get 3 regardless at 4CC, but it’s a good depth benchmark and isn’t achieved by the U.S. men at 4CC that often. Last time was 2020.
 
kwanfan1818 said:
Right now, he’s doing a lot of both, which could be fulfilling and financially rewarding, but physically sounds to me like the worst of both worlds. Thinking of Stellato-Dudek, I remember Deschamps emphasizing that he knows how hard she had to work to keep up elite fitness. You hear it from older dancers who take 30-minutes showers in the morning to be able to move at all and who soak their legs in trash cans full of ice after performances. And they are hyper-focused on their sleep, nutrition, off-ice training in addition to training, which someone living in both worlds doesn’t have the luxury to do.

It’s his body and life, and he might be miserable if he had to do almost nothing for the next year but live like a training monk, only stepping out in the summer to practice his SP on Japanese tours, like the Japanese skaters do.
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This is the thing for me - at this point he has to choose. Does he want to make that push or does he want to do shows full time?

I'm totally fine either way. He already has a great legacy in skating and will have a great show career. However, now is the time to decide: shows or competing? While I don't care if he retires, I also don't want him to go out on a low note by whimpering his way through his last season instead of giving it his all.
 
I was nervous as Hades watching Jimmy -- praying that it wouldn't be Witchita all over again. To be honest, I thought he'd end up painfuly close, but no cigar to the podium. Couldn't be more thrilled for him!

Watching Nationals this Olympiad I always had him in the mix for the top 3 US men, but he's never quite put it out there. I'm sure he's very well aware of the major Body of Work points he just gained with this medal and I can only hope that this continues to light his you know what on fire! Cortina just became more than just a remote possibility for him!

Your thoughts...
 
Jonas said:
I was nervous as Hades watching Jimmy -- praying that it wouldn't be Witchita all over again. To be honest, I thought he'd end up painfuly close, but no cigar to the podium. Couldn't be more thrilled for him!

Watching Nationals this Olympiad I always had him in the mix for the top 3 US men, but he's never quite put it out there. I'm sure he's very well aware of the major Body of Work points he just gained with this medal and I can only hope that this continues to light his you know what on fire! Cortina just became more than just a remote possibility for him!

Your thoughts...
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People can crumble or rise after a tragedy. It’s clear to me that Jimmy has buckled down, got the right training done, and has been very focused. If he can keep that up for a year, who knows, but I’m thrilled for now.
 
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Here's a touching message Alex Krasnozhon posted on Instagram with a photo of himself with Jimmy Ma:

"I have been off social media for about two years now, but what you have done gives me a reason to write an extensive post about how amazing and inspirational you are. Jimmy, you are an incredible human being and an example of a tremendous athlete. I have been your number one fan since we met in 2013 when I was the same height as you. We trained together, chased our dreams together, and you were always there for me, no matter the time. I changed my dreams, but you stayed, and boy, you chased your dreams hard. While we might not talk daily, you know I cheer for and love you immensely. Last night, you taught me and the whole world an important lesson - ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, IF YOU KEEP GRINDING! I cried yesterday when I saw you get up on that podium, and man, I am so proud of you. Well deserved, Jimbo!"
 
Rukia said:
well best of luck to him i hope he skates to the best of his ability
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I question where his ability is these days... But, whatever. As long as he makes the FS, and the USFS is banking on him being able to skate well enough to do that much.
 
Willin said:
This is the thing for me - at this point he has to choose. Does he want to make that push or does he want to do shows full time?

I'm totally fine either way. He already has a great legacy in skating and will have a great show career. However, now is the time to decide: shows or competing? While I don't care if he retires, I also don't want him to go out on a low note by whimpering his way through his last season instead of giving it his all.
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Big decision with an Olympic year just around the corner.
 
DreamSkates said:
Big decision with an Olympic year just around the corner.
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He could have gone into show skating a long time ago, but he decided to continue skating competitively. He's going to Worlds. His going for another Olympics at this point is a no brainer. I am sure he will do what it takes to get on another Olympic team, but I am not sure that any of the younger men can stop him (though they will have every opportunity once again to do so).
 
layman said:
He could have gone into show skating a long time ago, but he decided to continue skating competitively. He's going to Worlds. His going for another Olympics at this point is a no brainer. I am sure he will do what it takes to get on another Olympic team, but I am not sure that any of the younger men can stop him (though they will have every opportunity once again to do so).
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Well, let's just wait and see how he really looks at Worlds before we go declaring him good for a third Olympic team.
 
Interesting that he reached USFS’s desired standard in his private monitoring. In his public appearances, his easier triples still look questionable. I mean at Legacy on Ice, Sofia Bezkorovainaya looked more prepared technically to compete in the senior men’s event than Brown did!

IMO monitoring should be done in public, preferably in competition like Levito did.
 
her grace said:
IMO monitoring should be done in public, preferably in competition like Levito did.
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This.

One of the all-time mysteries revolves around the (private) monitoring of Michelle Kwan going into the 2006 Olympics. She had one cheesefest event a few months before where her skating was awful and definitely not competitive by any stretch, then did not skate Nationals, petitioned for the Oly spot and was deemed ready.

Of course, Michelle showed up and withdrew from the competition after 10 minutes of the first practice.

We will never know what that monitoring session was really like, but it's hard to imagine Michelle was in any real competitive shape for it.
 
well conviently if there are any issues for jason last second, jimmy ma lives right there in boston so

I doubt it though because tbh I think Jason could do a double axel and 3-2 at a US worlds and get the goes/pcs to make the free
 
Rukia said:
well conviently if there are any issues for jason last second, jimmy ma lives right there in boston so

I doubt it though because tbh I think Jason could do a double axel and 3-2 at a US worlds and get the goes/pcs to make the free
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The men at JUNIOR worlds weren't making the free with a 2A and a 3-2 this year.
 
Rukia said:
well conviently if there are any issues for jason last second, jimmy ma lives right there in boston so
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Even more convenient, Camden Pulkinen lives in Manhattan, an Amtrak ride away, and he is first alternate. Or did that change?
 
nylynnr said:
Even more convenient, Camden Pulkinen lives in Manhattan, an Amtrak ride away, and he is first alternate. Or did that change?
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idk if anything has changed but Jimmy just medaled at 4ccs and doesn't have a back injury like Camden did there so I think he'd be the better sub choice but also usfs has yet to listen to my good ideas
 
skateboy said:
One of the all-time mysteries revolves around the (private) monitoring of Michelle Kwan going into the 2006 Olympics. She had one cheesefest event a few months before where her skating was awful and definitely not competitive by any stretch, then did not skate Nationals, petitioned for the Oly spot and was deemed ready.
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Not to derail the men's thread, but I don't think the monitoring was thought of as too mysterious at the time. I was at the cheesefest and don't recall Kwan being downright awful, although Cohen did skate better -- fan votes put Kwan in first. She was monitored by a group of USFS officials -- I remember Bob Horen and Charlie Cyr were two of them -- at her rink in Artesia at the end of Jan. and then again beginning of Feb. Two or three media outlets -- again, if I remember correctly, it was AP and LA Times -- were admitted to the monitoring and wrote very detailed accounts of it. At the time, I got the impression that while Kwan was good to go, she wasn't necessarily at her best.

The mysterious part, if you could call it that, was the withdrawal after trying a triple flip in the first practice in Turin. In order to get Emily there as 1st alternate, the injury had to be "new," not pre-existing.
 
skateboy said:
Can't say I'm thrilled about this decision but good luck to him. Would've preferred Jimmy, as he's on a roll and we really don't know what to make of Jason.
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This isn't the popular answer, but I wouldn't trust any of the US men not named Ilia and to a lesser extent Andrew. All of the US men in the middle upper pack (Camden, Jimmy, Tomoki etc) all have very extreme high low potentials. They could skate brilliantly and find themselves in the Top 10 in the SP, or they can absolutely bomb and tank not making the SP (think Vincent that one year at Worlds). Not making the SP is the worst-case situation Team USA needs to avoid. I don't have confidence that the Jimmy who has been inconsistent in the past like the others won't show up that day with all of the pressure that will be there.

This is where Jason's case is made in the eyes of Team USA. The others don't have the crazy high PCS boost upside, whether still warranted or not with Jason's current state of skating, he will still get the boost. This means as others have mentioned, that Jason could do a 2A and a 3-2 combo and still make the free based on PCS alone. That IMO is a much safer bet than the huge downside risk of a Jimmy, Camden etc bombing in the SP a la Vincent.
 
Rukia said:
well conviently if there are any issues for jason last second, jimmy ma lives right there in boston so

I doubt it though because tbh I think Jason could do a double axel and 3-2 at a US worlds and get the goes/pcs to make the free
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skateboy said:
The men at JUNIOR worlds weren't making the free with a 2A and a 3-2 this year.
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Rukia said:
I don't think there's really a comparison though this is jason brown of 500+ pcs not random junior boy #322 of the day
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I posted upthread the same thing- Brown will make the free, and probably quite comfortably, even with a 3+2 and a 2A. If he gets the 3+3 and has troubles on or doubles the Axel, he's still looking at potentially ~85 points even with a "conservative" PCS scoring. 85.00 was good enough for 10th place last year, as a comparison.

His spins are amongst the best, if not the best in the field, and the step sequence is always quite good. The jumps he does land typically score big on GOE. And I stand by this idea that his PCS hasn't gone from 9+ to 7.00 or whatever some people really think. 8.5+ - absolutely.
 
What is Brown’s skating order? A cleanish program plus a late skating order will help immensely
 
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