"The Walking Dead": Any fans here?

[Marco]

Question though...did Carol stab the woman who was screaming after having been attacked? Or did Carol smother her? I think that woman had been cut with a knife...wasn't sure if she was going to die, so Carol did a mercy-kill...or if that woman's screaming was putting them both in danger, so Carol had to take her out. Either way, Carol did what she had to do.

I believe Carol gave the lady mercy because she was yelling in pain and was going to die anyway. Much like Rick gave the nosy guy (Carter?) mercy when a zombie bit his face off in the last episode.

 

[AliasJohnDoe]

Trivia: this must have been one of the few (or first ever?) episodes without Rick, Daryl and Glenn.

Last year when they were scattered after the prison ended and before Terminus, they had a lot of stand alone episodes that only focused on individual characters. I liked it.

 

[Marco]

Ya me too. But without all 3?

 

[sweetsparky]

I think that in the Beth´s hospital episode, the one with the Governor meeting Tara and family, and "The grove" or look at the flowers episode, none of them appeared through the episode.

 

[PeterG]

The episode began with a family being overtaken by zombies, with only the teenage daughter surviving. We saw her make her way to Alexandra and then being let in through the gate. Then...nothing. Was this young woman....

Enid is strange and I'm not certain what her purpose is.

...if it was Enid, it was a flashback and now Enid is taking off again? Or is she one of the "W" mob and she's gone to re-join her people?

And, why didn't anybody put the knife in the brain when the girl died in the doc's office. I mean really people. We know what happens when people die.

Tara told the new "doctor" that it had to be done. Are you wondering why Tara didn't do it rather than leave it for the doctor to do? I thought that was Tara's way of pushing the doctor to be more assertive. And bringing it up before she (Tara) left meant not only that the issue had been addressed (you gotta do it, Doc), but it was also an opportunity for the doctor to wimp out and ask/tell Tara to do it for her.

Secretly hoping for a Morgan/Michonne showmance....that lasts a long time.

Why was I thinking Morgan was more like a father figure than a romantic possibility for Michonne? The Walking Dead doesn't really do romance anyway. Have there been any romantic happenings other than Glenn and Maggie? Weird, because in a post-apocalyptic world, I think people would be "leaning on each other" a lot more than in everyday life...

 

[Marco]

Why was I thinking Morgan was more like a father figure than a romantic possibility for Michonne? The Walking Dead doesn't really do romance anyway. Have there been any romantic happenings other than Glenn and Maggie? Weird, because in a post-apocalyptic world, I think people would be "leaning on each other" a lot more than in everyday life...

Morgan has too much humanity to be with anyone in that group. Maybe Father Gabriel.

Is anything going to happen between Daryl and Carol? They sort of hinted it last season but nothing came out of that.

 

[snoopy]

I don't get the Carol and Daryl shipping. Isn't she like 20 years older than him?

 

[rfisher]

Yes, that was Enid at the start of the episode. Those were her parents being eaten by zombies while she sat in the car. The role was cast to sort of give Carl a GF, but I'm not certain what they're going to do with her. The actress was on Talking Dead last week and didn't hint at much of a further story arc.

But, we didn't see the doc "do it", so the zombie will probably bite her.

I'm over Morgan. Telling people to run away after they've just hacked people to death? He's as much a danger to the group as the cowards among the Alexandriaites or the zombies on their way to the town. Some Alexandriaites are made of sterner stuff, but some of them are Star Trek red shirts.

 

[PrincessLeppard]

I don't get the Carol and Daryl shipping. Isn't she like 20 years older than him?

I think they are the same age.

 

[rfisher]

Melissa McBride totally rocks the gray hair. Her character might be a little older than Daryl, but she's the awesome slightly older woman.

 

[PeterG]

I thought the scene between Maggie and Deanna was a bit strange. It seems pretty clear to me that Deanna is still in shock about the murder of her husband. When Maggie gave Deanna a mini-sermon, it made me think of people who say things like "I didn't know what to say..." When instead, they should be listening instead of talking. I think the writing of Deanna's character here is lacking because we've seen her to be a woman of strength, who has been in charge of possibly the most successful community we have seen so far. I just see Deanna to be more of a "give me a f***ing weapon!!!" kind of lady...especially after her husband was just killed.

It looked like Morgan was taking off for the hills to me.

I didn't think that at all. Morgan walked down the street in one direction, Carol in the other. I think they both just wanted some alone time to process the sh**storm they just went through.

I wondered if Enid was the plant sent by the wolves to scope out the place.

I wondered that too, but as @rfisher cleared up for us in post #878, it looks like Enid went from her family to Alexandria...with a bit of wandering in the middle. But I wonder if someone else in Alexandria is a plant...

Okay, I get that Morgan doesn't want to kill people, but these people are attacking your people with f*cking machetes and talking sensibly to them isn't really going to work out well.

I agree, but Morgan's story is different from everybody else's. He has avoided pretty much everything that he could up until now. So his hope for people acting on their better instincts instead of on a savage mentality is more intact than everybody in Rick's group. I can't imagine he can hang onto that to the same degree for long, though... I like that Morgan did try to reason with these people before he handed them their asses! At the very least, they got to witness someone trying to use reasoning first...and when that failed, only then did he resort to kicking butt. Which he did quite well! Along with Carol, Morgan did a brilliant job of protecting Alexandria.

 

[rfisher]

I agree that I'm disappointed in Deanna's current story arc, but a big part of the success of Alexandria was due to the fact those zombies had been corralled in the quarry and weren't threatening the pasta machine loving denizens. Those few who did venture out to recruit are different and well aware of what the "real world" is like. I think it's easier to be the benevolent but firm leader when all is going well. The real strength of character is how you react when it all goes to hell.

 

[PrincessLeppard]

"I'm going on a killing spree. Dinners in the oven. Don't wait up."

http://imgur.com/a/ksKsl

Enjoy!

 

[Marco]

Melissa McBride totally rocks the gray hair. Her character might be a little older than Daryl, but she's the awesome slightly older woman.

Yes. Maybe only slightly older. In season 2, there was Sophia who was, what, 6 to 8 years old? So mid 40s would be a good guess.

Daryl also looked to be in his late 30s/ early 40s.

 

[Marco]

I think the writing of Deanna's character here is lacking because we've seen her to be a woman of strength, who has been in charge of possibly the most successful community we have seen so far. I just see Deanna to be more of a "give me a f***ing weapon!!!" kind of lady...especially after her husband was just killed.

It is always easy to be a leader during peaceful times. She really had no sense of crisis though. No tower guard. No training for people. And she was leaning towards being tolerant towards the drunk hitting doctor because he was the only doctor in the community.

I don't think she is a woman of strength at all. I read her to be a phony politician who seized the opportunity to lead the group. And I think it is deliberately written that way so as to contrast with Ricktatorship and the other strong characters in the gang.

I wondered that too, but as @rfisher cleared up for us in post #878, it looks like Enid went from her family to Alexandria...with a bit of wandering in the middle. But I wonder if someone else in Alexandria is a plant...

The way the scenes were edited left a lot to the imagination. Perhaps half way through (or even right before the gate), the Wolves recruited her. It would certainly explain why she would wander out all the time in the last episode, and why she felt like she had to leave when the Wolves' intrusion failed.

I agree, but Morgan's story is different from everybody else's. He has avoided pretty much everything that he could up until now. So his hope for people acting on their better instincts instead of on a savage mentality is more intact than everybody in Rick's group. I can't imagine he can hang onto that to the same degree for long, though... I like that Morgan did try to reason with these people before he handed them their asses! At the very least, they got to witness someone trying to use reasoning first...and when that failed, only then did he resort to kicking butt. Which he did quite well! Along with Carol, Morgan did a brilliant job of protecting Alexandria.

Morgan definitely is the most humane of all in the gang, not counting Father Gabriel. But I wonder if he really is as humane as people think he is. In the last episode of last season, he kicked the butt of the 2 Wolves and put them in a car. He didn't have to, but he honked the horn anyway. I do want him to be more ruthless though. I think I would be more reassured if they showed him KILL the long hair Wolf.

However, I think he made a big, big mistake by letting the surviving Wolves leave.

 

[PrincessLeppard]

WTF WALKING DEAD WRITERS? There was no need for that much mayhem. Or deaths. Keep the injured people in the pet store. Go up on a roof. Didn't the pet store have a back door? Why did Glenn and Nicholas not go on the roof? Of any building?

Glenn

 

[halffull]

OMG

 

[snoopy]

They're hedging on the talking dead that maybe there is some weird chance Glenn isn't dead. And they didn't show his picture in the memorial spot. But That makes no sense.

 

[PrincessLeppard]

Here's the theory on previously.tv. Those were Nicholas' guts (I thought this as well) and they cover Glenn and he is able to use that like they did in the first season.

OR, in a callback to season one (when Glenn called Rick dumbass), Glenn is able to get under the dumpster like Rick was able to get under the tank.

 

[lmarie086]

The writers have no chill. I mean I know this is a show about the zombie apocalypse, but this season has been so brutal already. Here I am, bracing myself for the eventual arrival of Negan and that is what happens?

I screamed at my TV and cried. Pretty sure I haven't cried during a TV show since Hershel died. Or since the Red Wedding.

Trying not to have too much hope that Glenn somehow survived. He's always been resourceful, but that would be insane.

 

[Buzz]

My guess is that TWA is successful in part because of it's shock value. But the longer the show goes on the harder it gets to shock the audience, so the power that be are turning to more and more gratuitous violence to keep everyone hooked and guessing. And it seems to be working quite well.

 

[Marco]

 

[sweetsparky]

Here's the theory on previously.tv. Those were Nicholas' guts (I thought this as well) and they cover Glenn and he is able to use that like they did in the first season.

I am sure the guts were Nicholas´ but there were a ton of walkers eating those over him (it seemed he fell under Nicholas´ corpse), it demands a lot of suspension of disbelief (more like a big shark jumping) to accept he could move from there without being even unintentionally biten.

 

[PeterG]

One thing I didn't mention about last week's episode (that is still relevant while watching Sunday's episode) is that Rick talked about Alexandrians need to toughen up and that he-man Rick will protect them all. Then be abandons Alexandria and takes the warriors of the group with him without having given any kind of battle or strategy or fighting training to the Alexandrians. So all hell breaks loose...and Rick has blown it big time by not preparing people exactly like he said they needed him to. Bad writing example #712...

I am sure the guts were Nicholas´ but there were a ton of walkers eating those over him (it seemed he fell under Nicholas´ corpse), it demands a lot of suspension of disbelief (more like a big shark jumping) to accept he could move from there without being even unintentionally biten.

Not necessarily. We saw in a few episodes in earlier scenes where people covered themselves with blood and guts so that the zombies would not think they were a munchies. My guess is that once the bloods and guts of Nicholas started spurting everywhere, Glenn started smoothing himself with said blood and guts. It's not like there's anything else he could do at that point, so he might as well. This is what I'm hoping, because I felt kinda sick thinking Glenn was gone...

WTF WALKING DEAD WRITERS? There was no need for that much mayhem. Or deaths. Keep the injured people in the pet store. Go up on a roof. Didn't the pet store have a back door? Why did Glenn and Nicholas not go on the roof? Of any building?

Glenn

This is where the writers can't win. On Fear The Walking Dead, people wanted more chaos and attacks and fighting and deaths and blood & guts. Then when they deliver it on The Walking Dead...people complain!

 

[Marco]

Poor Maggie. Her family members keep dying every season. If Glenn dies, she will be on her own. But hey, weren't there pregnancy rumours flowing around a few months ago? So if those were true, then either Glenn is not dead (yet), or it's even sadder that he doesn't know she is already pregnant.

 

[Japanfan]

Morgan definitely is the most humane of all in the gang, not counting Father Gabriel.

Father Gabriel is not humane. He is cowardly and selfish. He did not welcome his congregation into the church when the outbreak started, and he wife was apparently among those who died because of it. That whole scene is among the most ridiculous of the entire series IMO, because members of the congregation could have easily broken into that wood church with a few axes. Nonetheless, we were to believe that Father Gabriel abandoned his entire congregation.

And, he told Deanna that Rick was dangerous. And, he left the gate open, letting walkers in.

He appears to be struggling to recover his humanity and wanting to rejoin the group. Redemption may be possible for him, but a humane character he has not yet been this far.

We saw in a few episodes in earlier scenes where people covered themselves with blood and guts so that the zombies would not think they were a munchies. My guess is that once the bloods and guts of Nicholas started spurting everywhere, Glenn started smoothing himself with said blood and guts. It's not like there's anything else he could do at that point, so he might as well. This is what I'm hoping, because I felt kinda sick thinking Glenn was gone.

Why the cover-up-with-zombie-blood-and-guts strategy has not been used more often is bewildering to me. Especially in the last two episodes, with attempts to move a large herd. Lives would not have been lost if that strategy had been used - or Michonne's strategy of chaining a few headless jaw-less walkers to mask one's human smell.

My guess is that Glenn is not dead. The way the scene was shot was a bit surreal and the amount of blood coming from Glenn was too much to be realistic. I'm not 100%, but that's my hunch.

 

[Marco]

Father Gabriel is not humane. He is cowardly and selfish. He did not welcome his congregation into the church when the outbreak started, and he wife was apparently among those who died because of it. That whole scene is among the most ridiculous of the entire series IMO, because members of the congregation could have easily broken into that wood church with a few axes. Nonetheless, we were to believe that Father Gabriel abandoned his entire congregation.

And, he told Deanna that Rick was dangerous. And, he left the gate open, letting walkers in.

He appears to be struggling to recover his humanity and wanting to rejoin the group. Redemption may be possible for him, but a humane character he has not yet been this far.

Yes, humane is not the right word, but what I really meant was "most reluctant to kill". Come to think of it, you are right. He didn't kill because he is cowardly and incapable, not because he is humane. In fact, he is inhumane to have left his people outside the church. A possibility of why the congregation didn't break into the church is that a sudden herd came and bite them all since they were non-violent and couldn't defend, and they never had the chance to break in and punch him in the face (and leave HIM outside).

What he said to Deanna was ungrateful and stupid, but not exactly wrong factually. The gang did lead to a lot of Alexandrians dying in the last 4 episodes (then again most of them would have died anyway when the Wolves attacked or when the herd came in). Leaving the gate open was plain stupid.

He is just a hateful character all the way around. Like Nicholas. (So, why have both?)

Why the cover-up-with-zombie-blood-and-guts strategy has not been used more often is bewildering to me. Especially in the last two episodes, with attempts to move a large herd. Lives would not have been lost if that strategy had been used - or Michonne's strategy of chaining a few headless jaw-less walkers to mask one's human smell.

My guess is that Glenn is not dead. The way the scene was shot was a bit surreal and the amount of blood coming from Glenn was too much to be realistic. I'm not 100%, but that's my hunch.

I had forgotten about this strategy until Glenn's supposed death came up. They should always be using this strategy when they are on the road, coz you would never know when a walker might pop up.

Next episode has 90 minutes and a surprise cast member will appear on the Talking Dead. This is worrying. It probably only needs to be this long if it is a farewell/ reflection for Glenn. While some people say the comic has him killed by Negan who hasn't appeared on the show yet, we should remember that the show does not always follow the comic - but in the broad sense, if it does, Glenn doesn't have much longer to live anyway.

 

[skatepixie]

I don't think Glenn is dead -- the absence of his picture from In Memoriam pretty much says he isn't, at least not YET. That isn't to say he won't be killed in the next episode, though.

Once they reveal what happens, the actor will be on Talking Dead either way -- as a goodbye or as a "hey, ya fooled 'em man, good on you."

 

[Twilight1]

The whole thing with father Gabriel is useless IMHO. Even if he let those people into the church, they would have eventually starved to death.

I am praying Glenn is still alive, I watched the episode last night while my husband was on the computer. When he came downstairs he said I looked like I had just lost a puppy. Glenn and Darryl are bar none my favourite characters.

 

[PrincessLeppard]

This is where the writers can't win. On Fear The Walking Dead, people wanted more chaos and attacks and fighting and deaths and blood & guts. Then when they deliver it on The Walking Dead...people complain!

I want that, but I also want the characters to act realistically. Michonne and Glenn would've left those people in a safe (-ish) place and then fought their way back to ASZ. That still would've been exciting.

On Fear the Walking Dead, had those people acted like morons, that would've been realistic because it's early on, and let's face it, none of those people, except maybe for the former torturer, have it what it takes to survive, and are, in fact, morons. So if they all died in moronic ways, I'd be totally fine with that.