The Heir, The Spare and the “Baby Brain” -The Prince Harry and Meghan show rumbles on…

[alexikeguchi]

Honestly, they were all nuts to think a 3 year old should be in a wedding party. Is that common in Britain?

I was a flower girl at 3.5 years old for my godmother's wedding (in the US). I actually still remember large portions of the ceremony and reception, and everyone including the bride was pleased with how I did. I don't remember if my dress fit perfectly, but I do remember being really happy wearing it, and the pictures look fine. I was an exceptionally serious child who took instructions to heart, which is why my godmother felt comfortable including me in the wedding party. On the other hand, my SIL wanted my at the time not quite 2 year old and very energetic son to be a ring bearer, and I knew that would have been an utter catastrophe. So it can be done, but I think it just depends on the child and the expectations for the ceremony.

ETA in pulling up some photos of the flower girl dresses, I saw that Kate was wearing a white suit. I always thought it was etiquette for only the bride to wear white. Is that considered copacetic in the UK? Or she gets a pass because only Meghan can be considered rude and boorish?

 

[clairecloutier]

Isn’t that universal? I’ve lived in a variety of countries and flower girls / ring bearers were everywhere. I had 3 and they loved it. One wasn’t keen on being in posed photographs so he wasn’t.

Yes, people sometimes (but not always) have flower girls/ring bearers at weddings in the U.S. Usually their role in the ceremony is pretty small. Bridesmaids in the U.S. are always adults, at least at the weddings I've been to or seen pictures of.

 

[canbelto]

I was a flower girl at 3.5 years old for my godmother's wedding (in the US). I actually still remember large portions of the ceremony and reception, and everyone including the bride was pleased with how I did. I don't remember if my dress fit perfectly, but I do remember being really happy wearing it, and the pictures look fine. I was an exceptionally serious child who took instructions to heart, which is why my godmother felt comfortable including me in the wedding party. On the other hand, my SIL wanted my at the time not quite 2 year old and very energetic son to be a ring bearer, and I knew that would have been an utter catastrophe. So it can be done, but I think it just depends on the child and the expectations for the ceremony.

ETA in pulling up some photos of the flower girl dresses, I saw that Kate was wearing a white suit. I always thought it was etiquette for only the bride to wear white. Is that considered copacetic in the UK? Or she gets a pass because only Meghan can be considered rude and boorish?

It wasn't a white dress. It looked like that in the extreme bright sun but if you looked at the indoors pictures it was a canary yellow.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTQ1-JPE_OcgqBIS0QzSVWfKpcBdsnrLIF0Q&usqp=CAU

 

[skatfan]

Honestly, they were all nuts to think a 3 year old should be in a wedding party. Is that common in Britain?

I can remember some of the meltdowns I had related to clothes that my mom wanted me to wear that I didn't want to wear, and that was when I was older, like 5 or 6.

It’s gotten very common here in the US. I used to have a rule that no one under five goes down the aisle but so many folks objected.

 

[millyskate]

Coincidentally this morning I was in church and a mum was sharing how desperate her daughter is to be a flower girl but she doesn’t think it’s going to happen as all weddings in her entourage have happened already.

I was a flower girl at 3 and still have lovely memories from it! I still treasure the bracelet that was given to me for the occasion and have kept it for baby milly. Most children are really happy at the opportunity and really excited by their role throughout the day.

 

[taf2002]

ETA in pulling up some photos of the flower girl dresses, I saw that Kate was wearing a white suit. I always thought it was etiquette for only the bride to wear white. Is that considered copacetic in the UK? Or she gets a pass because only Meghan can be considered rude and boorish?

It was much paler than canary & it looked white in most lighting. Media gave her a pass since it was technically yellow. IMO it was deliberate on her part unless her baby brain made her not notice what color she was wearing.

 

[Judy]

Ir’s a horrible situation within the family when members through their staff are betraying each other.

I’m glad they escaped. too late for William and obviously William.

You could pay me huge money I would hate living there and being part of that.

 

[millyskate]

It was much paler than canary & it looked white in most lighting. Media gave her a pass since it was technically yellow. IMO it was deliberate on her part unless her baby brain made her not notice what color she was wearing.

Honestly I know you’re not a fan of Kate’s but this isn’t how things work. Her outfit would have been pre-approved and most likely recommended to her and Meghan would have known about it in advance and presumably approved. You can be quite sure that if she hadn’t it would have been mentioned ad nauseam by now.
Here is an article commenting on the why of this outfit:

Kate Middleton re-wore primrose yellow outfit at Meghan's wedding

KATE MIDDLETON re-wore an old look of hers for Meghan Markle's 2018 wedding to Prince Harry. But why was this?

www.express.co.uk

 

[canbelto]

I don't begrudge Kate for a dress that had to have been pre-approved by Meghan. I do think Kate is terrified of black people though:

https://twitter.com/MJFINESSELOVER/status/1506771292124585984?s=20&t=oVU5oJ1o5_pY2QVAmNDTUQ

 

[Lacey]

My 5th grandson was the Ring Bearer at youngest DD's wedding. At the rehearsal, the minister emphatically loudly asked him how old he was, and when he said 5, the minister actually had the gall to say, why do people choose the young ones, little kids always ruin the weddings. I was incensed but didn't say anything out loud.

Well dear Henry, youngest of 4 boys, led in the whole processional of about 12 or more, perfectly timed to the music, went to wait on the correct side of the altar, brought up first the bride's ring, then the groom's when said minister asked for each and led the other attendants down the long aisle and out of the church after the bride and groom! So there!

 

[airgelaal]

I don't begrudge Kate for a dress that had to have been pre-approved by Meghan. I do think Kate is terrified of black people though:

https://twitter.com/MJFINESSELOVER/status/1506771292124585984?s=20&t=oVU5oJ1o5_pY2QVAmNDTUQ

Not everyone can always feel comfortable next to strangers of any nationality and skin color.
But what strikes me the most is the desire to see discrimination in everything. Perhaps this is news to some, but people may not like them for themselves, and not because of skin color, religion, nationality or musical tastes

 

[MacMadame]

Flower girls and ring bearers are normal at US weddings but typically there are one or two of them. Then a variable number of bridesmaids and grooms who are usually adult relatives/friends of the couple. Sometimes there are Jr. Bridesmaid/Grooms if there are pre-teens and teens who the couple want to include.

Ofc, every wedding is different and they don't always follow this formula.

 

[canbelto]

Not everyone can always feel comfortable next to strangers of any nationality and skin color.
But what strikes me the most is the desire to see discrimination in everything. Perhaps this is news to some, but people may not like them for themselves, and not because of skin color, religion, nationality or musical tastes

This was a goodwill tour of the Caribbean, and the woman in question was a Jamaican minister.
Throughout the Caribbean tour W&K acted terrified of black people. They cowered in fear. It was picked up by all the major news channels.
Look at this picture:

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article26561352.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/0_JS261415528.jpg

They both look terrified of black people even though they are all behind a fence.

 

[Barbara Manatee]

I do think Kate is terrified of black people though:

Convincing. But how peculiar then that Kate choose a black midwife. Maybe baby brain got the best of her again.

 

[MacMadame]

I don't begrudge Kate for a dress that had to have been pre-approved by Meghan. I do think Kate is terrified of black people though:

https://twitter.com/MJFINESSELOVER/status/1506771292124585984?s=20&t=oVU5oJ1o5_pY2QVAmNDTUQ

She was in a group huddle with a bunch of black men smiling and comfortable when a black woman tried to move her somewhere else at which point she looked confused and hesitated. She doesn't look remotely terrified at all.

Okay, now it gets worse:

This was a goodwill tour of the Caribbean, and the woman in question was a Jamaican minister.
Throughout the Caribbean tour W&K acted terrified of black people. They cowered in fear. It was picked up by all the major news channels.

Which major news channels? I saw tons of pictures of them interacting with people and Kate was smiling in all of them, touching and being touched by brown children.


Your posts earns three eye rolls: and two Pinochios ? ?

 

[canbelto]

Which major news channels? I saw tons of pictures of them interacting with people and Kate was smiling in all of them, touching and being touched by brown children.


Your posts earns three eye rolls: and two Pinochios ? ?

There were a bunch of negative news articles about the tour:

Gaffes and Miscues Mar a Royal Tour of a Republic-Minded Caribbean (Published 2022)

The trip by Prince William and his wife, Catherine, the duchess of Cambridge, dramatized how rapidly Queen Elizabeth II is losing her grip on distant dominions where she is still head of state.

www.nytimes.com

How Kate Middleton and Prince Williamâs Caribbean Tour Became a P.R. Disaster

The royals have started to discuss the legacy of slavery, but without Meghan and Harry, their problems in the Commonwealth could still get even worse.

www.vanityfair.com

 

[canbelto]

Convincing. But how peculiar then that Kate choose a black midwife. Maybe baby brain got the best of her again.

Midwifes aren't chosen at hospitals. They are assigned to people in the hospital.

 

[Barbara Manatee]

Regular people might have assigned midwives, but no one randomly goes into a royal's delivery room without her prior approval. Regardless, Kate is in no way frightened of the professor.

Could you point out where in those articles William and Kate are described as 'terrified' and 'cowering in fear'?

 

[Karen-W]

Midwifes aren't chosen at hospitals. They are assigned to people in the hospital.

You really think that the midwife "assigned" to Kate wasn't a carefully selected choice? Okay, then... I'd bet dollars to donuts that they had vetted & selected several midwives, who were then working on a rotating schedule ahead of each birth.

 

[canbelto]

Regular people might have assigned midwives, but no one randomly goes into a royal's delivery room without her prior approval. Regardless, Kate is in no way frightened of the professor.

Could you point out where in those articles William and Kate are described as 'terrified' and 'cowering in fear'?

The articles didn't say they were terrified and cowering in fear. But that the optics were horrible and the events were condescending and reeked of colonialism. And most of them came from news outlets normally friendly towards the BRF. That tour was cringe from start to finish.

 

[Karen-W]

The articles didn't say they were terrified and cowering in fear. But that the optics were horrible and the events were condescending and reeked of colonialism. And most of them came from news outlets normally friendly towards the BRF. That tour was cringe from start to finish.

But, you're arguing that Kate is afraid of black people and you're using a tour that had some terrible optics (like riding around in an open jeep with the people watching from behind a chain link fence, which absolutely DOES reek of colonialism) to defend your assertion. The tour optics, which weren't arranged by Kate & William themselves, but rather by their staff, does not mean they themselves are racist or scared of POC.

Also, by the way, there were reports after the tour that William was incandescent with his staff and the British Foreign Office for bungling that tour as badly as they did. He realized, as it was happening, what the optics were and that it made he and Kate look like colonial invaders all over again. Doesn't sound to me like someone who is "afraid" of black people, and I have a hard time believing his wife is either.

 

[Barbara Manatee]

The articles didn't say they were terrified and cowering in fear.

Then why did you claim that they did?

 

[airgelaal]

This was a goodwill tour of the Caribbean, and the woman in question was a Jamaican minister.
Throughout the Caribbean tour W&K acted terrified of black people. They cowered in fear. It was picked up by all the major news channels.
Look at this picture:

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article26561352.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/0_JS261415528.jpg

They both look terrified of black people even though they are all behind a fence.

I also like to practice sophism, but I don’t think it’s worth it right now

 

[canbelto]

Then why did you claim that they did?

I said there was negative press all over. Them being terrified was remarked on in social media.

 

[Barbara Manatee]

Okay, we agree then that there is no reputable reporting that Will and Kate are terrified of black people.

Also, by the way, there were reports after the tour that William was incandescent with his staff and the British Foreign Office for bungling that tour as badly as they did.

Way to pass the buck, William.

 

[Karen-W]

Way to pass the buck, William.

Or to realize that the buck does stop with him and address the issues with his team & staff so that it doesn't happen again?

 

[alexikeguchi]

Or to realize that the buck does stop with him and address the issues with his team & staff so that it doesn't happen again?

As long as he's not a "bully."

 

[canbelto]

I am now up to the Africa part of the gap year and the start of the relationship with Chelsy. Charles and Camila get married. Its a real nothingburger according to Harry -- doesn't seem like he really objected.
I was surprised that Elizabeth didn't go to the wedding.

 

[Barbara Manatee]

Or to realize that the buck does stop with him and address the issues with his team & staff so that it doesn't happen again?

I don't associate being incandescent at staff with taking responsibility and working cooperatively to improve. But of course now I am the one taking unsourced rumors as truth, so my bad.

 

[Spikefan]

Reminder that there is a thread for William and Kate, I have zero interest in them so please move the discussions of them that don’t involve H&M there.