The Heir, The Spare and the “Baby Brain” -The Prince Harry and Meghan show rumbles on…

[Karen-W]

Wouldn't that would just be the natural consequence of someone who has no interest in being a working member of the royal family or supporting the reigning monarch I would think.

Throwing stones would be airing all the stories they squashed about Harry from his wild years....

There were some that started to come out last weekend after the initial book leaks - I read some stuff about a particular ski trip in Verbier that was refuting that particular theme from Harry's memoir of always being sacrificed by other royals to the media for their own positive coverage. And Camilla Tominey wrote a more in-depth article in The Telegraph yesterday about bridesmaid-dress-gate - basically, Meghan admitted to KP staffers as soon as it happened that she made Kate cry, which is why the KP staff couldn't then refute the stories when they surfaced a few months later.

 

[clairecloutier]

The back-and-forth stories about grown women not getting along and making each other cry (as if they were the first people this ever happened to, or it were some kind of crime) are just anyway.

 

[airgelaal]

I would love to know what Harry’s other relatives - especially Anne, Bea, Eugenie, Zara - think of the situation between Harry/Meghan and Harry’s immediate family. Too bad we’ll never know.

It seems to me that now the monarchy will be freer and we will hear. Harry stated that the palace expressed its position through the tabloids. I think now this opinion will be expressed by the members of the royal family themselves. Not in interviews or books, but simply in harmless phrases.
In my opinion, Harry just does not understand what a family is. Family members may hate each other and constantly quarrel, but unite when they are attacked by a stranger.

 

[marbri]

The back-and-forth stories about grown women not getting along and making each other cry (as if they were the first people this ever happened to, or it were some kind of crime) are just anyway.

Although I must confess after deciding I had heard enough of this whole distasteful affair I did find myself googling those bridesmaids dresses to see what they looked like. Now THAT fascinates me because I feel like if they just ordered off the rack at a high end store it would have been better. And I did notice one photo that made me understand why Kate wanted the girls to wear tights

 

[antmanb]

In my opinion, Harry just does not understand what a family is. Family members may hate each other and constantly quarrel, but unite when they are attacked by a stranger.

Arguably that is precisely what his family didn’t do when he and Meghan were attacked in the tabloids.

 

[Judy]

I just want to mention that, a few years ago, I read in a British newspaper (don't remember which one) that at some Diana-anniversary, when William went through old photographs with the guests he asked one of them how his mother was because he could hardly remember her. ?

I thought this was weird since he was not that young when she died. But if even William could hardly remember how limited must be Harry's memories of her?

BTW I blamed the particular upbringing with probably a lot if courses of all sorts, the Buckingham Palace with nannies, and the divorce for the lack of memories.

Not unusual at all. My nieces were 7 and 11 in 2002 when they lost their dad and my brother (horrible cancer and it happened really fast). Complicated and still very devastating to me and my family. but yeah no it’s normal.

 

[becca]

Although I must confess after deciding I had heard enough of this whole distasteful affair I did find myself googling those bridesmaids dresses to see what they looked like. Now THAT fascinates me because I feel like if they just ordered off the rack at a high end store it would have been better. And I did notice one photo that made me understand why Kate wanted the girls to wear tights

I just think the whole thing is silly both women likely cried.

And while Meghan is the bride. It’s perfectly reasonable for Kate not to want her child to go out in front of a billion people in a misshapen dress.

And it’s not like she could just get her kids out of that wedding either there would be talk there.

I cannot help thinking there were issues before four days from the wedding because it should have all been planned better.

 

[taf2002]

I just think the whole thing is silly both women likely cried.

And while Meghan is the bride. It’s perfectly reasonable for Kate not to want her child to go out in front of a billion people in a misshapen dress.

And it’s not like she could just get her kids out of that wedding either there would be talk there.

I cannot help thinking there were issues before four days from the wedding because it should have all been planned better.

Yes, it was reasonable for Kate but if the story is true why did she resist having the tailor fix Charlotte's dress? Is she really that entitled that she had to have a specific tailor for a very plain generic child's dress? As for who cried, I imagine both did as both had reason to have nerves on edge.

 

[airgelaal]

Arguably that is precisely what his family didn’t do when he and Meghan were attacked in the tabloids.

What does it mean to be protected from the tabloids? Publish a statement after each article? Just about Meghan or about everyone? Ban the tabloids from writing about Meghan? And if they write the truth, then lie for the sake of Meghan? We now know that they were telling the truth about Harry and the drugs when Harry himself was lying.

 

[Orm Irian]

I suppose stripping Harry of his title would be their equivalent to throwing stones back.

They'll never do that, though, because then they'll have to answer the question of why they'll strip a tantrum-thrower of his title but not an accused sex offender.

Frankly they should all be stripped of their titles, and also of the wealth the family gained from Britain's plundering of the natural resources of all the nations it invaded and exploited since it came to the throne, with the money being divided proportionally among the peoples and nations they harmed (the people can fade into obscurity while dealing with the same cost of living crisis confronting everyone else in the UK right now). France gets along fine tourism-wise with historic buildings and no royals to put in them. England can do the same, I'm sure. There's nothing special about what P2 is doing right now that makes him worse than any other royal family member. Bad public behaviour motivated by entitlement has been their remit since William the Bastard came over from Normandy.

 

[jadingirl]

Just finished part one of Harry’s book and I like him more and more


I find Charles calling him darling boy incredibly touching and sweet

I remember when he graduated from Sandhurst and the Queen attending as it was covered by the Canadian news

It’s a shame he couldn’t have stayed in the military

 

[becca]

Yes, it was reasonable for Kate but if the story is true why did she resist having the tailor fix Charlotte's dress? Is she really that entitled that she had to have a specific tailor for a very plain generic child's dress? As for who cried, I imagine both did as both had reason to have nerves on edge.

She felt the dresses need to be remade. Because they were in that poor of shape. And she had someone capable of doing so. The dress maker for her wedding.


The tailor said that they had to work all nighters to fix the dresses and they still didn’t look like the hand couture dresses they were suppose to be

Given the amount of time the dresses took per the tailor to fix Her dress maker could have been right. That doesn’t indicate minor alterations.

Kate is clearly very particular when it comes to making sure her Children look impeccable when they have to go out on royal parade.

Which frankly is a kindness to them since twenty years from now the world will see those photos. At least the kids can always look good.

Kate came over the next day with flowers so she may have realized she was being much.

 

[marbri]

Yes, it was reasonable for Kate but if the story is true why did she resist having the tailor fix Charlotte's dress? Is she really that entitled that she had to have a specific tailor for a very plain generic child's dress? As for who cried, I imagine both did as both had reason to have nerves on edge.

I think that is the bottom line.

From my experience when a story doesn't make sense. When you can't understand how any sane person got from A to B, something has been omitted. Something key to making sense of it all.

 

[canbelto]

My guess is that Kate has a dressmaker on hand to make "replicate" dresses. It might have been less work for Kate to simply call up her dressmaker.

 

[Karen-W]

My guess is that Kate has a dressmaker on hand to make "replicate" dresses. It might have been less work for Kate to simply call up her dressmaker.

As an experienced seamstress, I can assure you that, sometimes, it is much easier to just make brand new dresses rather than try to alter the ones that were delivered. If the fit was so bad that every single seam needed to be ripped out and every pattern piece re-cut, then why waste your time with the seam ripping and instead get straight to the pattern/fabric cutting? My guess is that Meghan really didn't realize what a complete waste of time and energy it is for the seamstress/tailor to "make alterations" when it's more than just a hem or adjusting the fit by re-doing the zipper. Judging by the photos of the bridesmaids, I'd have sided with Kate too on the matter, but I get that Meghan was the bride and hearing that the bridesmaids dresses were awfully made and fit so poorly was probably the last thing she wanted/needed to hear, especially with all the drama her dad was creating right at the same time.

 

[canbelto]

As an experienced seamstress, I can assure you that, sometimes, it is much easier to just make brand new dresses rather than try to alter the ones that were delivered. If the fit was so bad that every single seam needed to be ripped out and every pattern piece re-cut, then why waste your time with the seam ripping and instead get straight to the pattern/fabric cutting? My guess is that Meghan really didn't realize what a complete waste of time and energy it is for the seamstress/tailor to "make alterations" when it's more than just a hem or adjusting the fit by re-doing the zipper. Judging by the photos of the bridesmaids, I'd have sided with Kate too on the matter, but I get that Meghan was the bride and hearing that the bridesmaids dresses were awfully made and fit so poorly was probably the last thing she wanted/needed to hear, especially with all the drama her dad was creating right at the same time.

Now that you mention it, I thought Meghan's wedding dress was also rather poorly fit on her. The sleeves were too baggy and the wrinkling took away from what I think she was going for, which was a very classic style.
If you compare her wedding dress to the Stella McCartney reception dress, the reception dress was just so much better tailored and fit.

 

[MLIS]

In Harry’s recounting of the text messages, Kate said something about the dresses needing to be “remade.” So not just altered. She probably was looking for permission to have Charlotte’s dress remade, or offering to have all the dresses remade by her dressmaker or whatever. I can see how Meghan was just “please go to the tailor, I cannot deal with this” but also how Kate would not want to make any move without explicit permission, especially if the relationship was already strained. I can well believe both women cried.

 

[MacMadame]

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of agreement with Givenchy that precluded another dressmaker from making new dresses. I mean they wouldn't be Givenchy dresses if some other dressmaker made them, right?

I don't remember anything untoward about the bridesmaid dresses and, frankly find the who dustup to be a tad ridiculous. And, yes, I've been married and organized a wedding. When I got to the reception, I found that the napkins weren't a brighter shade than they should have been. Guess what? We all survived and had a good time!

Family members may hate each other and constantly quarrel, but unite when they are attacked by a stranger.

Some families are like that but some aren't. That doesn't mean they aren't real families.

 

[Barbara Manatee]

I don't remember anything untoward about the bridesmaid dresses and, frankly find the who dustup to be a tad ridiculous. And, yes, I've been married and organized a wedding. When I got to the reception, I found that the napkins weren't a brighter shade than they should have been. Guess what? We all survived and had a good time!

Less ridiculous when it's a multi-million dollar event broadcast around the world. Meghan was criticized by some as it was because her gown was a little loose and she had a few stray strands of hair. Imagine the noise if the dresses had been a hot mess and fallen apart or looked terrible on the girls. Bridesmaid-gate!

 

[barbk]

I thought that the bridesmaids looked very sweet. Really, the only thing I didn't like was how wide the straps were on their shoes.

My daughter was married last summer, and I expect she would have broken down in tears if her (adult) bridesmaids or the flower girls had major dress issues a couple of days before the wedding. The bridesmaids' dresses were a particular challenge because one bridesmaid lived in London, one was completing an orthopedic residency in Minnesota, and only one lived nearby, so they had to go to three different bridal locations on two continents and hope that the fabric and patterns indeed matched. Luckily, it worked out.

 

[Coco]

Honestly, they were all nuts to think a 3 year old should be in a wedding party. Is that common in Britain?

I can remember some of the meltdowns I had related to clothes that my mom wanted me to wear that I didn't want to wear, and that was when I was older, like 5 or 6.

 

[MacMadame]

Honestly, they were all nuts to think a 3 year old should be in a wedding party. Is that common in Britain?

It seems to be a thing for royal weddings.

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/celebrity/article/3145848/7-british-royal-wedding-rules-and-how-protocols-have-been

There are always little bridesmaids and pageboys at a royal wedding, but traditionally it’s the children from the royal side of the family who walk down the aisle. Even as recently as Kate Middleton’s wedding to Prince William, in 2011, the bridal party was connected to William with figures such as his goddaughter Grace van Cutsem and Camilla’s granddaughter Eliza Lopes, Prince Edward’s daughter Lady Louise Windsor and William’s second cousin Margarita Armstrong-Jones. However, at Prince Harry and Meghan’s wedding, the bridal procession of six bridesmaids and four pageboys were split with children from both sides, including super cute siblings Princess Charlotte and Prince George.

 

[Karen-W]

Honestly, they were all nuts to think a 3 year old should be in a wedding party. Is that common in Britain?

I can remember some of the meltdowns I had related to clothes that my mom wanted me to wear that I didn't want to wear, and that was when I was older, like 5 or 6.

It seems to be a thing for royal weddings.

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/celebrity/article/3145848/7-british-royal-wedding-rules-and-how-protocols-have-been

Not just royal weddings. Charlotte was a bridesmaid at her Aunt Pippa's wedding a year before Harry & Meghan's wedding, when she was just 2. And George was a pageboy at that wedding too.

It seems to be pretty common, at least in upper class British society.

 

[becca]

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of agreement with Givenchy that precluded another dressmaker from making new dresses. I mean they wouldn't be Givenchy dresses if some other dressmaker made them, right?

I don't remember anything untoward about the bridesmaid dresses and, frankly find the who dustup to be a tad ridiculous. And, yes, I've been married and organized a wedding. When I got to the reception, I found that the napkins weren't a brighter shade than they should have been. Guess what? We all survived and had a good time!


Some families are like that but some aren't. That doesn't mean they aren't real families.

I think the whole thing should go away but I do think this is a multi million dollar wedding with billion people watching.

If Princess Charlotte and the other little girls showed up in a horrible ill fitting dresses for the whole world to see it would be pretty horrible for them.

Charlotte in her case would forever not be able to live it down because she is destined to be a somewhat public figure her entire life.

So I do think it would be fair in this case for all the parents to raise the issue.

But why we are talking on it now seems silly.

 

[antmanb]

It seems to be pretty common, at least in upper class British society.

I don’t think it’s just upper classes. I’ve been to plenty of weddings where everyone thinks it’s cute to have toddlers dressed up in dresses/suits and have a role in the wedding. Ring bearer/petal thrower.

 

[taf2002]

I can imagine a mother saying my child's dress doesn't fit but I can't imagine that mother thinking she had any say in the solution. Esp not arguing with the bride about who is going to fix it. If the situation was reversed does anyone think she would take kindly to Meghan butting in like that? What would make Kate think that Meghan would be ok with ill-fitting dresses & that she wouldn't notice it unless Kate brought it to her attention? This really smacks of entitlement & throwing her weight around. That is, if this story is true.

 

[made_in_canada]

Idk, it seems pretty reasonable that a woman that is under the immense stress of getting married in front of the entire world, and a woman that is only a few weeks postpartum and also will be on display to the entire world may have an issue over whatever incident puts both of their emotions over the edge. Families not under that kind of microscope have blow ups over small to large wedding details too.

 

[millyskate]

Honestly, they were all nuts to think a 3 year old should be in a wedding party. Is that common in Britain?

I can remember some of the meltdowns I had related to clothes that my mom wanted me to wear that I didn't want to wear, and that was when I was older, like 5 or 6.

Isn’t that universal? I’ve lived in a variety of countries and flower girls / ring bearers were everywhere. I had 3 and they loved it. One wasn’t keen on being in posed photographs so he wasn’t.

 

[canbelto]

I can imagine a mother saying my child's dress doesn't fit but I can't imagine that mother thinking she had any say in the solution. Esp not arguing with the bride about who is going to fix it. If the situation was reversed does anyone think she would take kindly to Meghan butting in like that? What would make Kate think that Meghan would be ok with ill-fitting dresses & that she wouldn't notice it unless Kate brought it to her attention? This really smacks of entitlement & throwing her weight around. That is, if this story is true.

It’s not if Kate had a dressmaker at her disposal. It’s actually nothing serious, just the usual frayed nerves before a wedding.

 

[morqet]

Honestly, they were all nuts to think a 3 year old should be in a wedding party. Is that common in Britain?

I can remember some of the meltdowns I had related to clothes that my mom wanted me to wear that I didn't want to wear, and that was when I was older, like 5 or 6.

It's less common now, but I was a bridesmaid 5 times between the age of 3 and 10 - and at most of those weddings there were no attendants over the age of 12. I still find it slightly weird when people have 6+ adult bridesmaids all in matchy prom style dresses.