The Dance Hall 9: Bring the Bling or No Beijing 2021-2022

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Belsornia said:
Junior Worlds is an interesting one for me this year. Even with no Russians / several ill-timed splits / unexpected team selections it still seems a pretty deep field
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Yes, not bad. I liked this young Ukrainian team this season, and that gets you halfway down the list above. Bernard & Jochum's RD, also.
bcash said:
I wouldn’t mind if they keep this FD.
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For what purpose? As with Lajoie & Lagha this season, what would be the point? Hawayek & Baker have skated this program clean several times this season. They know what they can do with this program.
 
I was rewatching some older dance competitions from the DW/VM days. Are we at the point we can admit that DW were pretty overrated when it came to their twizzels? They did the same two twizzels every single program. Watch them back to back to back. Zero variety. Yeah, they were fast, but at what cost? They often, Charlie especially, looked wobbly and unsteady during them. And their two positions are some of the more uglier twizzle positions I’ve seen. I don’t think their frantic speed and supposedly groundbreaking hop was enough of a reason to keep the same (IMO) unattractive element for more than a quad. Yea, they were technically impressive at times. But their speed was part of the smoke and mirrors of their packaging and it’s become extremely clear in hindsight.
 
Rukia said:
Is the secret to next season's RD pattern in old videos of Charlie's twizzles and no one told me?
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lol
Here's hoping there will be little response to new member's post there. The last thing we need is to revisit the D/W and V/M days. We could have an entire forum on discussion of that rivalry. And yes, I was a serious uber for D/W. I feel D/W and V/M have cemented their legacies and let it stand.

As to twizzles, I think they have greatly improved since the last two quads. Current competitive skaters are doing the skill with more features and most are 3 sets. It's a different ice dance world by far. I really like the one foot step sequence, that separates the wheat from the chaff.
 
Dobre said:
Yes, not bad. I liked this young Ukrainian team this season, and that gets you halfway down the list above. Bernard & Jochum's RD, also.
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Bernard/Jochum’s RD is one of the best.

France have several exciting young teams developing. French ice dance will feel very different after Papadakis/Cizeron but I think there’s plenty to feel optimistic about.
 
~tapdancer~ said:
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Here's hoping there will be little response to new member's post there. The last thing we need is to revisit the D/W and V/M days. We could have an entire forum on discussion of that rivalry. And yes, I was a serious uber for D/W. I feel D/W and V/M have cemented their legacies and let it stand.

As to twizzles, I think they have greatly improved since the last two quads. Current competitive skaters are doing the skill with more features and most are 3 sets. It's a different ice dance world by far. I really like the one foot step sequence, that separates the wheat from the chaff.
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I’m not a new member; I’m just not an active commenter. My intention wasn’t to make this about D/W vs V/M but I see how it came across that way since I used both teams to reference the time period I was rewatching.

I still see people talk about the excellence of D/W’s twizzles. Even for the time they were competing (when twizzles were pretty meh compared to today), I think the quality and execution of their twizzles is overblown. Thought I would ask my fellow ice dance fans if they felt the same.

I also love the addition of one-foot step in the free. I was watching the OD event from the 2006 Olympics (lol) and forgot how difficult the nontouch step requirements used to be. Pretty much the whole thing was done one one foot, and if one partner made a mistake, it was almost impossible for them to get back into it and the other just had to keep going. I’m fine with the no touch today, but I’m glad they brought back some of the difficulty with the one foot in the free.

I also love the choreographic step.

Not sure if this is controversial or not, but I wouldn’t shed a tear if they remove the dance spin as an element 😬
 
I may be misremembering, but back in the early 00s, wasn't there a choice of doing a twizzle and a spin OR two twizzes in the FD? I'd personally rather see 2 twizzle sequences than a twizzle and a spin.
 
There are almost no well-known dances in which the partners spin like in a dance spin, ie, around each other in a stationary spot, so I'm not sure why this was ever an element. However, there are many dances where the partners turn individually, some where they turn in parallel, like in twizzles, and many where they turn in hold, which is optional in skating, except where it's in patterns, and then, of course, in groups, where it happens in synchro.

I would love to see a different turning requirement that's rooted in dance, whether in hold, like in ballroom, or turning around each other, ie switching places and orientation. Keeping the hold or spacing is harder to do that way than in parallel.
 
Marta24 said:
Kostomarov was stiff and couldn't skate. They only won the OGM due to Navka's headbands. :)
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Funnily enough I quite liked him more than her. He had swag regardless of his lack of technical expertise. She just seemed like a poor man's imitation of the greats before her like Grishuk and Klimova.
 
Looking ahead to Junior Worlds Take 2:
(Starting at the top because I don't know how far I will get through this)

Head-to-heads:

Interestingly, we have already seen head-to-heads between the top 2 teams on the SB list I put together earlier and the next 3 teams on that list.

Wolfkostin & Chen defeated D'Alessandro & Waddell in Ljubljana, where the teams split dances.

The Browns, who have a lower SB score than the next two teams, actually defeated both Ling & Wein and Bashynska & Beaumont in Austria despite a fall and an extended lift in the FD there. (The Browns also split results with Wolfkostin & Chen over the summer).

Ling & Wein defeated Bashynska & Beaumont in Russia and Bashynska & Beaumont defeated Ling & Wein in Austria. Both teams split dances both times, with Ling & Wein finishing ahead in the RD both times and Bashynska & Beaumont finishing ahead in the FD both times.

Kudryavtseva & Karankevich were something of an island among this field on the JGP as they didn't go head-to-head with very many of the teams in the upper half of this field. They finished below D'Alessandro & Waddell and above Pinchuk & Pogorielov in Kosice and again ahead of the Ukrainians in Gdansk.

Lim & Quan finished behind Bashynska & Beaumont by about 4 points in Russia, then above Fradji & Forneaux in both head-to-heads. L&Q also defeated Grimm & Savitskiy and Galimberti & Mandelli.

Tkachenko & Kiliakov defeated Grimm & Savitskiy and Galimberti & Mandelli in their outing at the Egna Dance Trophy and finished about 5 points behind D'Alessandro & Waddell there.

Fradji & Forneaux defeated both G&M and G&S in their two JGP events, and as mentioned above, finished behind Lim & Quan at both of them.

Bernard & Jochum were another kind of island team on the JGP. They finished well behind the Browns, Wolfkostin & Chen, and D'Alessandro & Waddell in their JGP events and then well above Bunina & Kuznetsov and Bekker & Hernandez. It looks like Bernard & Jochum and Fradji & Forneaux split results at home, with B&J winning the head-to-head at French Masters and F&F winning the head-to-head at French Nationals.

Grimm & Savitskiy split dances with Fradji & Forneaux in Courchevel 1, finishing behind by less than 2 points. They finished well below Ling & Wein in Austria.

After that, you've got Galimberti & Mandelli, Pinchuk & Pogorielov, Bekker & Hernandez, and Cimlova & Hlavsa--as far as SB scores go. None of whom went up against each other on the JGP except Pinchuk & Pogorielov defeating Bekker & Hernandez by not quite two points in Gdansk. Bunina & Kuznetsov defeated Bekker & Hernandez in Ljubljana by less than a quarter of a point. And Oliver & Andari, who have a higher SB than B&K finished behind both Pinchuk & Pogorielov and Bekker & Hernandez in Gdansk, not quite two points back of B&H. Bekker & Hernandez defeated Galimberti & Mandelli at the Egna Dance Trophy, and B&H finished about 5 points behind Grimm & Savitskiy there who were, in turn, about 4 behind Tkachenko & Kiliakov.
 
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My thinking after looking at all the head-to-heads above is that I am very curious how placements will wash out between the two French teams, Lim & Quan, Tkachenko & Kiliakov, & Kudryavtseva & Karankevich. (Provided K&K are present. I've no idea what their visa and training situation is right now).
 
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