The Dance Hall 11: Movin' On Up 2023-2024

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Dobre said:
There have been a lot of updates since I last updated this, and I have undoubtedly missed some of them. Please let me know if you see something I need to edit. Updates since my last update are in bold print:

Summer Dance Drama Update:

New Teams:
Smart & Dieck (For Spain)
Cimlova & Chirizano (Cirisano. For Czech Republic. He has to wait until at least this year’s Russian Nationals for a release).
Wolfkostin & Tsarevski
Tali & Lafornara (For Italy)
Ichilov & Kravchenko (For Israel)
Oliver & Bojanowski (For Poland)
Reitan & Majorov (For Sweden)
Tanaka & Nishiyama
Yoshida & Morita
Maksymec & Desmarais (For Switzerland)
Karnes & Carr (For Great Britain)
DelCamp-Akalin & Akalin (For Turkey)
Goodstadt & Bennett (For Canada)
Gover & Wilson French (For Canada)
Barshak & Alieva (For Georgia)

Splits & Retirements:
Muramoto & Takahashi (Both retiring).
Wofkostin & Chen
Sales & Wamsteeker (She is on IPS. He retired).
Portesi-Peroni & Chrastecky
Lafond-Fournier & Kam
Tali & Frasca
Hubert & Oddson
Yu & Giang (He is on IPS).
Pham & Rogers
Cimlova & Polizoakis (She’s rumored to have repartnered, but I’m not certain if that partnership is confirmed yet).
Luft & Pfisterer
Oliver & Graham (She has repartnered).
O’Brian & Wiederkehr
Vainik & Barshak (He is on IPS).
Kida & Morita
Bourdet & Gipoulou
Khelifa & Zhu
Guise & Alday
Malcolm & Lafornara
Koch & Melnyk
Bushell & Lapsky
Ivanitskiy & Goldshteyn
Ogor & Bermejo
Sukhovskaya & Malkasaari

Coaching/Federation changes:
Stepanova & Bukin to Zhulin.
Davis & Smolkin (to compete for Georgia)
Khudaberdieva & Bazin to Zhulin.
Soucisse & Firus (to compete for Ireland)
Browns to IAM (in collaboration with current coaches).
Koncius & Schepetov (to MIDA)
Ramanauskaite & Kizala (to Hurtado & Khaliavin)
Pucherova & Lysak to Lanotte’s group

Aging or moving up to seniors:
Mrazkova & Mrazek
Bashynska & Beaumont
Lim & Quan
Bekker & Hernandez
Simova & Aksenov (to seniors only now)
Gauthier & Thieren
Larson & Kapran
Galimberti & Madelli
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Do we know if Cesanek/Yegorov (USA) will continue skating this year together? I know they had dropped out of the US Championships for personal reasons. But I haven’t seen anything from them on IG promoting their new skate year???
 
CesYeg said:
Do we know if Cesanek/Yegorov (USA) will continue skating this year together? I know they had dropped out of the US Championships for personal reasons. But I haven’t seen anything from them on IG promoting their new skate year???
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They also have been removed from the USFS ISP sometime this spring.
 
A new FS Gossips interview with Barbara Fusar Poli about Guignard/Fabbri, Cimlova/Cirisano and trying to compete with I.AM.

https://fs-gossips.com/barbara-fusa...ges-to-surpass-them-you-have-to-be-a-head-an/

A couple of interesting quotes regarding her opinions on I.AM:

It’s not easy for us; like everyone else, we work a lot, and securing a place in the spotlight is a constant battle. Yes, in ice dance, there is no clear leader like in the days of Papadakis-Cizeron or Virtue-Moir. But let’s take the example of the Montreal academy: they have so many duos, so many coaches, so many judges. It’s challenging to compete with them because they are a true powerhouse. To surpass them, you have to be a head and shoulders above. But our sport is subjective; it’s the judges who make the final decisions.
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We cannot expect to win if we copy someone else. And besides, European ice dance has always had its own identity, its own style. The Montreal academy is an excellent school that achieves the highest results, and I understand why skaters aspire to be there. But sometimes I feel like I’m fighting against a rock. No, I’m not complaining; I’m fighting and not giving up because I believe that a monopoly is not beneficial for anyone.

Look at ice dance in Europe: we don’t have many strong schools left. Even our European duos are moving to Canada, which wasn’t the case before. Currently, duos from Ukraine, France, Estonia, and Azerbaijan train in Montreal. But the absence of proper competition kills the sport, and that greatly concerns me.
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I’m fighting and not giving up because I believe that a monopoly is not beneficial for anyone.

Look at ice dance in Europe: we don’t have many strong schools left. Even our European duos are moving to Canada, which wasn’t the case before. Currently, duos from Ukraine, France, Estonia, and Azerbaijan train in Montreal. But the absence of proper competition kills the sport, and that greatly concerns me.
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I’m imaging Babs as free (dance) market / capitalism champion with these competition = creativity / innovation quotes. :lol:
 
I agree with Barbara Fusar-Poli, and I like her attitude about it. She's not being bitter or anything and she's not saying that I.Am intended to have a monopoly or anything. Marie-France, Patrice, and Romain have just been forward-thinking with their approach and created a winning formula for first-rate ice dance Academy with an emphasis of collaboration and providing (and encouraging) skaters to seek out outside resources to come in-house. Their strict scheduling policy and professionalism (as far as I know... I'm not there) is what has allowed them to juggle a great number of teams from a very diverse array of countries and keep them all satisfied. It's something that more ice dance coaches from other places need to think about.
 
VGThuy said:
I agree with Barbara Fusar-Poli, and I like her attitude about it. She's not being bitter or anything and she's not saying that I.Am intended to have a monopoly or anything. Marie-France, Patrice, and Romain have just been forward-thinking with their approach and created a winning formula for first-rate ice dance Academy with an emphasis of collaboration and providing (and encouraging) skaters to seek out outside resources to come in-house. Their strict scheduling policy and professionalism (as far as I know... I'm not there) is what has allowed them to juggle a great number of teams from a very diverse array of countries and keep them all satisfied. It's something that more ice dance coaches from other places need to think about.
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It's like the Amazon/Big Box Store versus Mom and Pop/Main Street Small Biz.
 
VGThuy said:
I agree with Barbara Fusar-Poli, and I like her attitude about it. She's not being bitter or anything and she's not saying that I.Am intended to have a monopoly or anything. Marie-France, Patrice, and Romain have just been forward-thinking with their approach and created a winning formula for first-rate ice dance Academy with an emphasis of collaboration and providing (and encouraging) skaters to seek out outside resources to come in-house. Their strict scheduling policy and professionalism (as far as I know... I'm not there) is what has allowed them to juggle a great number of teams from a very diverse array of countries and keep them all satisfied. It's something that more ice dance coaches from other places need to think about.
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It used to be the reverse with Cdn dance teams having to leave for the longest time.
 
Judy said:
It used to be the reverse with Cdn dance teams having to leave for the longest time.
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I kind of feel like before the 1990s, ice dance had more "variety" of coaching centers in Europe and North America that allowed skaters remain more "local" (even if they had to move hundreds or over a thousand miles within their country's boundaries or at least within the same hemisphere). Then it seemed to change, what was being rewarded started to change, and every ice dancer felt as if they had to skate like the Soviet/Russian teams. Luckily for the U.S., the breakup of the USSR prompted the Russian coaches to move to the U.S. and start training centers there.
 
VGThuy said:
Then it seemed to change, what was being rewarded started to change, and every ice dancer felt as if they had to skate like the Soviet/Russian teams. Luckily for the U.S., the breakup of the USSR prompted the Russian coaches to move to the U.S. and start training centers there.
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Papadakis/Cizeron were
  • the first ice dance european champions since Rakhamo/Kokko (1995)
  • the first ice dance world champions since the Duchesnays (1991)
  • the first ice dance olympic champions since Torvill / Dean (1984)
To have zero russian influence in their coaching/styling during their whole career.
Something changed then.
 
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"Welcome to IDC’s New Team Series! For this series, we interview athletes who will enter the upcoming 2023-24 season in a new partnership, or debuted last season. In our first interview, we check in with Shira Ichilov (20) and Dmitriy Kravchenko (18) who represent Israel at the senior level. New articles in this series will be posted every Monday."

New Team Series: Shira Ichilov & Dmitriy Kravchenko – Ice-dance.com

www.ice-dance.com www.ice-dance.com

ETA:

Sara Hurtado and Kirill Khaliavin spoke with IDC about their school (June 6, 2023):

Hurtado & Khaliavin open SK International Ice Dance School | Ice-dance.com

www.ice-dance.com www.ice-dance.com
 
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CesYeg said:
Sorry to hear this 😔 I really enjoyed following this ice dance couple since their Junior years together! They had great chemistry with one another ❤️
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Although C/Y have not given any update about their plans/goals, my understanding is that if/when they get a good score at a non-international U.S. competition, they could be added back to ISP.

It already has happened with a few U.S. singles skaters -- that they were removed from ISP by early-ish spring 2023 (I think b/c they did not uphold a certain benchmark score in 2022-23 season?), but have been added back after a good result at a competition later in spring 2023.
 
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I still think that Cesanek and Yehorov probably willingly took themselves off of the ISP. Rafaella Koncius and Alexey Shchepetov are on the ISP and they have an identical season's best to C/Y while also withdrawing from US Nationals. I can't see why C/Y's results last season would be deemed to weak to stay on the ISP while K/S's results are strong enough to remain.
 
dancing_on_ice said:
I still think that Cesanek and Yehorov probably willingly took themselves off of the ISP. ...
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I cannot rule out that possibility, and C/Y have my support for whatever path they choose.

dancing_on_ice said:
... Rafaella Koncius and Alexey Shchepetov are on the ISP and they have an identical season's best to C/Y while also withdrawing from US Nationals. I can't see why C/Y's results last season would be deemed to weak to stay on the ISP while K/S's results are strong enough to remain.
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But FWIW, USFS added Koncius/Shchepetov to ISP soon after U.S. Ice Dance Final (Nov 2022), where their score was 164.86.

C/Y's ISU SB was 153.03 at the Challenger in Austria. (I think their only other competitions in 2022-23 were Nebelhorn and Skate Canada International -- so I don't think they had a higher score elsewhere that would not be reflected in ISU SB.)

When USFS is making changes to ISP, does it give any more "credit" for international scores than for domestic scores? I don't know the answer.
 
Dobre said:
There have been a lot of updates since I last updated this, and I have undoubtedly missed some of them. Please let me know if you see something I need to edit. Updates since my last update are in bold print:

Summer Dance Drama Update:

New Teams:
Smart & Dieck (For Spain)
Cimlova & Chirizano (Cirisano. For Czech Republic. He has to wait until at least this year’s Russian Nationals for a release).
Wolfkostin & Tsarevski
Tali & Lafornara (For Italy)
Ichilov & Kravchenko (For Israel)
Oliver & Bojanowski (For Poland)
Reitan & Majorov (For Sweden)
Tanaka & Nishiyama
Yoshida & Morita
Maksymec & Desmarais (For Switzerland)
Karnes & Carr (For Great Britain)
DelCamp-Akalin & Akalin (For Turkey)
Goodstadt & Bennett (For Canada)
Gover & Wilson French (For Canada)
Barshak & Alieva (For Georgia)

Splits & Retirements:
Muramoto & Takahashi (Both retiring).
Wofkostin & Chen
Sales & Wamsteeker (She is on IPS. He retired).
Portesi-Peroni & Chrastecky
Lafond-Fournier & Kam
Tali & Frasca
Hubert & Oddson
Yu & Giang (He is on IPS).
Pham & Rogers
Cimlova & Polizoakis (She’s rumored to have repartnered, but I’m not certain if that partnership is confirmed yet).
Luft & Pfisterer
Oliver & Graham (She has repartnered).
O’Brian & Wiederkehr
Vainik & Barshak (He is on IPS).
Kida & Morita
Bourdet & Gipoulou
Khelifa & Zhu
Guise & Alday
Malcolm & Lafornara
Koch & Melnyk
Bushell & Lapsky
Ivanitskiy & Goldshteyn
Ogor & Bermejo
Sukhovskaya & Malkasaari

Coaching/Federation changes:
Stepanova & Bukin to Zhulin.
Davis & Smolkin (to compete for Georgia)
Khudaberdieva & Bazin to Zhulin.
Soucisse & Firus (to compete for Ireland)
Browns to IAM (in collaboration with current coaches).
Koncius & Schepetov (to MIDA)
Ramanauskaite & Kizala (to Hurtado & Khaliavin)
Pucherova & Lysak to Lanotte’s group

Aging or moving up to seniors:
Mrazkova & Mrazek
Bashynska & Beaumont
Lim & Quan
Bekker & Hernandez
Simova & Aksenov (to seniors only now)
Gauthier & Thieren
Larson & Kapran
Galimberti & Madelli
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Sweden has another new team, Kivioja and Pellnor, both former single skaters!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1668542655653986304
 
Having seen the GP invites list, I'm thinking we've a good chance of seeing McNamara & Spiridinov and the Browns at Lake Placid this summer. Plus Davis & Smolkin. Also Wolfkostin & Tsarevski if they're ready. (And maybe Bashynska & Beaumont and/or Makita & Gunara, as it would be a good opportunity for earning senior minimums).

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Kudos to France for a deep GP field this season.
 
Dobre said:
Having seen the GP invites list, I'm thinking we've a good chance of seeing McNamara & Spiridinov and the Browns at Lake Placid this summer. Plus Davis & Smolkin. Also Wolfkostin & Tsarevski if they're ready. (And maybe Bashynska & Beaumont and/or Makita & Gunara, as it would be a good opportunity for earning senior minimums).

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Kudos to France for a deep GP field this season.
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And Flores/Desyatov if he gets his release in the next few weeks - she made an IG story or post last night asking for additional support but sounded like they're very close to securing his release.
 
Of the rising senior teams, Mrazkova/Mrazek got 2 assignments, Lim/Quan got 2, Bashynska / Beaumont got 1, and Bekker/Hernandez received nothing. Bekker/Hernandez, however, will likely get to go to Euros and probably Worlds, too, though so all is not lost for them even if they aren't able to get a spot off the alternates list.
 
Dobre said:
Kudos to France for a deep GP field this season.
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I was considering going to Angers before and with this field plus possibly Lagouge/Caffa I am now considering it even more.
her grace said:
Of the rising senior teams, Mrazkova/Mrazek got 2 assignments, Lim/Quan got 2, Bashynska / Beaumont got 1, and Bekker/Hernandez received nothing. Bekker/Hernandez, however, will likely get to go to Euros and probably Worlds, too, though so all is not lost for them even if they aren't able to get a spot off the alternates list.
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That's what I was thinking. I'm sure B/H would have liked to get a spot off the bat (and I hoped they would too) but they shoud be planning for a long season through to Worlds and doing challengers might give them more space to pace themselves and deal with the inevitable challenges and adjustments of their first senior season - and hopefully get some nice placements and scores, which might be better for their longer term development than coming last at a couple of GPs.

I'm disappointed for B/B, who are very unlikely to be going to championships this season, and are more at risk of losing momentum and getting lost in the shuffle of a deeper national field. But if there are withdrawals or unused host spots, hopefully they'll pick up another event.
 
We have an unpredictable, yet plausible path to the Final for a bunch of teams & I'm loving that, though often experience wins the day.

The full world podium on the list:).

I'm pleasingly happy about M&M. It seems the host countries gave them credit for winning Junior Worlds.

I did think there was a pretty good chance Bashynska & Beaumont would get two because I figured SC would either give or save them one, but it was nice of SC to spread the wealth. Though I do wish they'd left the third berth open and given Makita & Gunara a chance as well to earn it.

Also, I'll mention that I'm happy for Ignateva & Szemko making the GP. They could easily have been skipped if things had gotten political; but things were very evenly spread. Wang & Liu got a non-host spot, but not over anyone else on the SB list so fairly earned. Well done to the host countries, both this season & last.

Belsornia said:
I was considering going to Angers before and with this field plus possibly Lagouge/Caffa I am now considering it even more.
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France has a great field. Ladies & men as well.
 
Rukia said:
I kind of want them to get the skam spot
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The spot is open, but they'd have to earn it head-to-head or at least via a high summer score, I think. They've not even been to a Challenger yet.

I'd say a good shot at the third berth at the U.S. Classic except it's not a Challenger this year. Still I do think it's likely they'll go to Lake Placid--for a crack at SA, but also minimums--and get experience on the CS.
 
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Dobre said:
The spot is open, but they'd have to earn it head-to-head or at least via a high summer score, I think. They've not even been to a Challenger yet.

I'd say a good shot at the third berth at the U.S. Classic except it's not an international this year. Still I do think it's likely they'll go to Lake Placid--for a crack at SA, but also minimums--and get experience on the CS.
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If(?) you are talking about the possibility of Flores/Desyatov at "U.S. Autumn Classic International," the 2023 edition (non-Challenger) is only for singles. No dance and no pairs.
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Oh, sorry, on second thought: Are you talking about non-international "L.A. Autumn Classic," the companion event to U.S. Autumn Classic International? L.A. Autumn Classic is NQS only for singles -- not clear to me whether it also would offer non-NQS dance.​

Agree that it seems likely that F/D would go to Lake Placid this summer, where they could get a score that would count for NQS (which they would need -- if his release is further delayed for some reason -- in order to qualify for U.S. Dance Final and then Nats). Plus I think at Lake Placid, maybe they would have an opportunity for extra monitoring/feedback from USFS apart from the competition?
 
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ice coverage said:
If(?) you are talking about the possibility of Flores/Desyatov at "U.S. Autumn Classic International," the 2023 edition (non-Challenger) is only for singles. No dance and no pairs.
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Yes, the USFS seems to have gone the route (not necessarily a bad one) of hosting three separate senior Bs - one for dance (LPIDI), one for pairs (John Nicks Pairs Challenge) and one for singles (US Autumn Classic Int'l).
ice coverage said:
Agree that it seems likely that F/D would go to Lake Placid this summer, where they could get a score that would count for NQS (which they still would need -- if his release is further delayed for some reason -- in order to qualify for U.S. Dance Final and then Nats). Plus I think at Lake Placid, maybe they would have an opportunity for extra monitoring/feedback from USFS apart from the competition?
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Yes, and I'm pretty sure it won't be too hard for the USFS to switch FlorDes to the correct event depending on whether or not Ivan gets is release in time.

I thought, though, that the USFS has usually waited until Champs Camp to make the final decisions on their SkAm TBD spots, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out in all four disciplines, but especially dance, since there are several teams who could be in the mix, especially if they have a strong showing at LPIDI (Koncius/Shchepetov are also on the ISP so one has to expect they'll be in the hunt).
 
ice coverage said:
If(?) you are talking about the possibility of Flores/Desyatov at "U.S. Autumn Classic International," the 2023 edition (non-Challenger) is only for singles. No dance and no pairs.
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Well, that would be a problem too;).

But no, I was just thinking that it's very common for new U.S. dance teams with an ISP qualifying score but no senior international experience & outside the top 24 to be sent to the U.S. Classic for their first Challenger event, as there are typically three dance berths there and usually USFS likes to divide up the teams that are in the international top 24. I do expect Flores & Desyatov to compete in the Challenger Series, but without the U.S. Classic International being a CS event this season, I've no idea where they will be selected to compete.

ETA: I see I used the term "international" in the wrong place instead of Challenger" during my first draft of that post so no wonder it was confusing.
 
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