The Dance Hall 10: The Saitama Samba 2022-2023

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Going the other way, of the six teams at Senior Grand Prix Final this year, the most recent to compete at World Junior Championships was Hawayek & Baker in 2014.

Except for exceptional teams like P&C, it takes a long time from juniors to get near the top in Seniors.
 

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Going the other way, of the six teams at Senior Grand Prix Final this year, the most recent to compete at World Junior Championships was Hawayek & Baker in 2014.

Except for exceptional teams like P&C, it takes a long time from juniors to get near the top in Seniors.
although I do think (like P/C) Mrazeks will benefit from being from a country with a less stacked field. B/H will be the GB #2 until F/G retire, B/B will need to wait for at least a couple of retirements and then they will still be behind LaLa and while L/Q are in a smilar position, I think that they might struggle from a fed perspective (in that they don't seem super willing to back them?). The Mrazeks have had a shining junior career, while the Taschlers had an okay one. Basically, I don't think that the Czech team order is clear cut or solid. Then like P/C they will have a quicker route to championships and having full fed backing as #1s.
 

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Going the other way, of the six teams at Senior Grand Prix Final this year, the most recent to compete at World Junior Championships was Hawayek & Baker in 2014.

Except for exceptional teams like P&C, it takes a long time from juniors to get near the top in Seniors.
And teams like P&C, V&M and D&W also skated together since they were children, while the Mrazeks, L/Q and B/H are only entering their 3rd season.
 

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And teams like P&C, V&M and D&W also skated together since they were children, while the Mrazeks, L/Q and B/H are only entering their 3rd season.
Which is why (although I know it’s bad to put too many hopes into a junior team) I’m so excited that Ashlie and Atl are finally juniors - their 6 years together really showed here. Truly can’t wait to see how they go in the next few seasons.
 

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the czech team is not ready at all for seniors they lack control and experience a big mistake to move up, the best example is LALA who struggled in their first senior season and they had more experience than the mrazeks, B&B look the most senior ready I think they will end up in montreal soon especially after alot of the veteran teams there retire they will be space fo them.
Many senior teams would love to be as unprepared as the Mrazeks. In that Tango they gave me some Tessa Virtue and some other Dude vibes. You could not tell me they are siblings LOL :) The way she used her skirt......that was a vibe in itself.
 

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although I do think (like P/C) Mrazeks will benefit from being from a country with a less stacked field. B/H will be the GB #2 until F/G retire, B/B will need to wait for at least a couple of retirements and then they will still be behind LaLa and while L/Q are in a smilar position, I think that they might struggle from a fed perspective (in that they don't seem super willing to back them?). The Mrazeks have had a shining junior career, while the Taschlers had an okay one. Basically, I don't think that the Czech team order is clear cut or solid. Then like P/C they will have a quicker route to championships and having full fed backing as #1s.
Regarding the Mrazkovi, I would also say that (pending the return of the Russians), the European dance scene is a lot softer below the current top teams (Guignard/Fabbri and Fear/Gibson) than is the 4CC one. It's not so hard to imagine rapid upward movement there for a new team with momentum.
 

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I wouldn't expect miracles, but the younger teams could make some waves--let's see what their programs look like and what progress they've made. Both the Czechs and the British teams have an immediate entry into Euros, same for the Koreans at 4CC. The Canadians are the odd ones out, but I think they could fight for Canada #4 (or higher, pending retirements).

For the Czechs, currently, I think the Taschlers are better than the Mrazeks. While having similar strengths (speed, power, edge quality), the Taschlers are better at conveying a Point of View in their programs. The MITM program felt like a showcase of skating skills, but I missed the story. Were they both the man in the iron mask since they both kept putting their hands in front of their faces? It could've been really cool to have her in a pantsuit and have them play the twins in the story. But I'm eager to see how they are packaged next season.

Lim/Quan don't have domestic competition to worry about. As they grow, I would like him to become more visible in the pairing as she takes all the attention and he's kinda just there.

The British team's expression looked senior-level to me this season, but the elements could be performed with more surety and speed. They were really "on" at junior worlds. Can they perform that well consistently?

B/B's struggles at Junior Worlds has been dissected a lot, but I found the FD much stronger than the RD. They are both strong partners and their FD was one of the more interesting programs this season. I hope they can work on their nerve under pressure and keep creating captivating programs.
 

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Hmmmmm... Something struck me as I was fixing dinner a little while ago... We know that the newest partner Annabelle Morozov has is a dud and she has both US and French citizenship. So, she could be a potential partner for two newly eligible dancers...

Jeffrey Chen (only 14 months younger) or Corentin Rahier (less than 3 years older).

Discuss!
 

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Hmmmmm... Something struck me as I was fixing dinner a little while ago... We know that the newest partner Annabelle Morozov has is a dud and she has both US and French citizenship. So, she could be a potential partner for two newly eligible dancers...

Jeffrey Chen (only 14 months younger) or Corentin Rahier (less than 3 years older).

Discuss!
Don’t do this to us. :drama:
 

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Annabelle Morozsov and Jeffrey Chen, sorry my brain can't absorb that :lol:
Me either! What clue have we had that Jeffery even wants to continue skating? I'm guessing Jeffrey evaluated his life and the US dance scene after nationals and realized a possible Olympic run would take a minimum of 7 years and then it might not happen. I think he decided to move on with his education.
 

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Hmmmmm... Something struck me as I was fixing dinner a little while ago... We know that the newest partner Annabelle Morozov has is a dud and she has both US and French citizenship. So, she could be a potential partner for two newly eligible dancers...

Jeffrey Chen (only 14 months younger) or Corentin Rahier (less than 3 years older).

Discuss!

But isn't Annabelle already with Igor Emerenko?I don't think she will choose Corentin because Coco is based in Lyon…
 

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I just noticed that Lou Koch, 16, has an IPS profile as of March 6: http://icepartnersearch.com/showbio.php?i=7264
(ETA that she posted her profile back in Nov. 2022, as was noted in this thread, and updated it recently.)

She & Ivan Melnyk competed in 2 JGPs for France last fall: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00111319.htm

ETA:

This Week in Skating's podcast mentioned that Masha Alieva announced the end of her partnership with Mathieu Couyras - link to her post 4 days ago: https://www.instagram.com/p/CpTog-br7B3/
She had hip surgery earlier this season according to another IG post.
 
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But isn't Annabelle already with Igor Emerenko?I don't think she will choose Corentin because Coco is based in Lyon…
I dunno... lots of French skaters based in Florida, and that's where she was rumored to want for the main training base when Naryzhnyy broke up with her in December.

I was mostly just spit-balling either Jeffrey or Corentin as potential options, should it become apparent that the Russians won't be back in international competition any time next season.
 

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Mrazeks blew everyone away but I think that the idea that B&B were significantly off is groupthink that has set in. They lost because they didn't get their levels on the patterns in the RD but its very hard to see how they scored lower than Lim & Quan in the FD. L&Q camouflaged a couple of mistakes with theatrical presentation but I certainly question their getting silver over B&B.
My highlight among the top teams was Lim & Quan, who I thought skated very solidly and the closest to their potential at this stage of their careers. But I agree with you that B&B finished where they did because of the levels, plus Judy was on the panel (which couldn't have been predicted), plus B&B had the pressure of living up to expectations from last season, which is always tough. Still they're going to come out of this season well, though, I assume. They were top 24 last season on the World Standings list, and now they've a JGPF title and another bronze to go with it. Should leave them in good stead for the GP for next season.
 

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I've always liked B&B's FD from this season. Not as much at Grimm & Savitskiy's Nutcracker or the Pirates program (I like most Pirates programs); but I think the drama works well for Bashynska & Beaumont. They've come a long way since their King & I. I like the music for their RD; but as I mentioned earlier in the season, I don't think it works well for a tango RD because the music is quick with lots of highlights that they aren't performing because they are skating the pattern. Nonetheless, the pattern levels are what cost them.

And you know what, the event was more interesting because of it. And the competition was more interesting because the GOE wasn't as ridiculous as it is in the seniors so the teams weren't 400 miles apart from each other regardless of the levels. IMO, that's the lesson that should be learned from this event. It's not that one team is miles ahead of some other team. It's that they aren't. A competition is more interesting when there's competition, and when the judges can judge what's happening on the ice on the day of the event.
 
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My highlight among the top teams was Lim & Quan, who I thought skated very solidly and the closest to their potential at this stage of their careers. But I agree with you that B&B finished where they did because of the levels, plus Judy was on the panel (which couldn't have been predicted), plus B&B had the pressure of living up to expectations from last season, which is always tough. Still they're going to come out of this season well, though, I assume. They were top 24 last season on the World Standings list, and now they've a JGPF title and another bronze to go with it. Should leave them in good stead for the GP for next season.
explain Judy pls?
 

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In the Loop's podcast interview with 2023 World Junior silver medalists Hannah Lim & Ye Quan + transcript (March 5):

Link to Hannah's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@h.annahlim
 

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Ahead of Worlds

I would expect one of the technical specialists being Higashino or Tsuzuki. Organizing Fed can recommend to ISU a referee or technical controller or technical specialist. And those two are the only 2 ISU level people Japan have in these roles.
Given Muramoto/Takahashi are not top 5 material, they won't jeopardize the recommendation present in the ISU Code of Ethics of not having technical panel members or referees from the Federations with top 5 contenders.

The judges' draw done in October resulted in the following 13 Federations being drawn for Saitama:

Australia (ISA nominated Mark Storton)
Czech Republic
Estonia (Larissa Shuljateva is their only ISU Judge. She was at Euros. Looking at her PCS marks, she went for Fear/Gibson over Guignard/Fabbri and she preferred Reed/Ambrolevicius to the other teams fighting for bronze there. She had Turkilla/Versluis' PCS below Lopareva/Brissaud and marginally also below Taschlers over the 2 programs.)
Finland
France
Great Britain
Hungary
Israel (Albert Zaydman is their only ISU Judge)
Italy
Lithuania (Laimute Krauziene is their only ISU Judge. Once reprimanded for spending half of Nepela Trophy pair event chatting with Babenko. She was at Euros, only in the RD segment. She had Fear/Gibson over Guignard/Fabbri thanks to GOEs. Her PCS were slightly in favor of G/F. She "obviously" put Reed/Ambrolevicius in third with a 2 points PCS advantage over Turkilla/Versluis. She was also at 4 Continents where she was quite generous with Green/Parsons tying their FD PCS with Lajoe/Lagha)
Poland
Switzerland
Ukraine


At Euros, all 13 drawn Feds sent a judge.
At 4CCs (where only 10 countries are drawn), Estonia was drawn but didn't send their judge and was replaced by alternate #1 (Italy)
At Junior Worlds, 12 out of 13 drawn Feds had a judge. The one missing, interestingly, was Czech Republic (must have been a last-minute unavailability given their couple was in contention for Gold in potentially tight race).
 
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Darya Grimm is feeling better and posted a bunch of photos from Calgary. I'm glad she got to have a little fun before she got sick.
 

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Ice-dance.com has a recap of the Junior World dance event, in which they mention that Neset/Markelov had the highest-scoring Character Step Sequence in the free dance.

That was nice to see, as I felt like N/M literally did bring the "character(s)" into that step sequence, in a very memorable way. :cheer2:
 

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The age requirements (born between 1 Jan 2006 and 31 Dec 2009) could also make the YOG field interesting - potentially a good opportunity for younger teams or those moving up from novice. From a quick look at teams at Junior Worlds and on the JGP this year:

CZE: Psurna/Novak
KOR: Kim/Lee
CAN: none
GBR: Slatter/Ongay-Perez
USA: none
FRA: Perrier Gianesini/Blanc Klaperman
 

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I've created a thread in GSD:

YOG age-eligible from USA: Olivia Ilin/Dylan Cain - she was born in July 2009 and he in August 2008 (ISU Junior age-eligible in 2003-24).
 
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