The Dance Hall 10: The Saitama Samba 2022-2023
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Making the Junior World team would be a longshot, I would have thought. Youth Olympics is a much bigger opportunity for a young team.
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I agree, especially since all three of the teams who were on this year's Jr Worlds team are still young enough for Jrs next season, not to mention the Peals and Bland/Sperry will be in the mix.
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Post Junior Worlds, a look at the likely junior field next season. With the Mrazeks likely choosing to move up and several teams aging out Grimm/Savitskiy and Neset/Markelov look like early favourites. Then quite a few teams potentially in the mix for bronze: Fradji/Fourneaux, Hauer/Starr, Carhart/Horovyi; Kudryavtseva/Karenkevich had a rough season but could bounce back next year, especially now they have a more stable training environment and will probably be Zanni's top junior team. Tkachenko/Kiliakov and Pinchuk/Pogorielov too, though Mrazeks aside they're probably the most likely of the junior eligible teams to move up. And Kida/Morita underperformed in Calgary but could also be a wildcard.
Junior Worlds:
⦁ Katerina Mrazkova / Daniel Mrazek (CZE) - 1 more season (junior eligible through JWC 2024) but likely moving up
⦁Hannah Lim / Ye Quan (KOR) - ageing up
⦁Nadiia Bashynska / Peter Beaumont (CAN) - ageing up
⦁Phebe Bekker / James Hernandez (GBR) - ageing up
⦁ Leah Neset / Artem Markelov (USA) - 2 more seasons (junior eligible through JWC 2025)
⦁ Celina Fradji / Jean-Hans Fourneaux (FRA) - 2 more seasons
⦁Sandrine Gauthier / Quentin Thieren (CAN) - ageing up
⦁ Jenna Hauer / Benjamin Starr (USA) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Helena Carhart / Volodymyr Horovyi (USA) - 1 more season
⦁ Angelina Kudryavtseva / Ilia Karankevich (CYP) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Elizabeth Tkachenko / Alexei Kiliakov (ISR) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Mariia Pinchuk / Mykyta Pogorielov (UKR) - 1 more season - but have already done a split season so may move up full time
⦁ Louise Bordet / Thomas Gipoulou (FRA) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Hailey Yu / Brendan Giang (CAN) - 2 more seasons
⦁Karla Maria Karl / Kai Hoferichter (DEU) - ageing up
⦁ Nao Kida / Masaya Morita (JPN) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Noemi Tali / Stefano Frasca (ITA) - 1 more season
⦁ Ashlie Slatter / Atl Ongay-Perez (GBR) - 5 more seasons (junior eligible through JWC 2028)
⦁ Grace Vainik / Yehor Barshak (GEO) - 1 more season
⦁ Milla O'Brien / Laurin Wiederkehr (SUI) - 3 more seasons (junior eligible through JWC 2026)
⦁ Xuantong Li / Xinkang Wang (CHN) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Sofiia Dovhal / Wiktor Kulesza (POL) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Anita Straub / Andreas Straub (AUT) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Jinny Kim / Namu Lee (KOR) - 4 more seasons (junior eligible through JWC 2027)
⦁ Athena Roberts / Eric Alis (ESP) - 1 more season
⦁ Irmak Yucel / Nikita Ivanov (TUR) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Maya Benkiewicz / Mark Shapiro (HUN) - 1 more season (if they stay together they'll have to sit out international competition in 2024-25)
⦁ Sofiia Beznosikova / Max Leleu (BEL) - 5 more seasons
⦁ Harlow Stanley / Nikita Sosnenko (MEX) - 2 more seasons
And others who were on the JGP this season:
⦁ Darya Grimm / Michail Savitskiy (DEU) - 2 more seasons
⦁Anna Simova / Kirill Aksenov (SVK) - ageing up
⦁ Jordyn Lewis / Noah McMillan (CAN) - 1 more season
⦁Vanessa Pham / Jonathan Rogers (USA) - split (she's ageing up and looking for a new partner, sounds like he's retiring)
⦁ Iryna Pidgaina / Artem Koval (UKR) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Elliana Peal / Ethan Peal (USA) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Chaima Ben Khelifa / Everest Zhu (CAN) - 1 more season
⦁Zoe Larson / Andrii Kapran (UKR) - ageing up
⦁Romy Malcolm / Noah Lafornara (USA) - split (both looking for new partners)
⦁Marianne Hubert / William Oddson (CAN) - split (both looking for new partners)
⦁ Kristina Bland / Matthew Sperry (USA) - 1 more season
⦁ Dana Sabatini-Speciale / Nicholas Buelow (CAN) - 2 more seaons
⦁ Natalie Blaasova / Filip Blaas (CZE) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Layla Veillon / Alexander Brandys (CAN) - 2 more seasons
⦁Lou Koch / Ivan Melnyk (FRA) - split (she's looking for a new partner)
⦁Giorgia Galimberti / Matteo Libasse Madelli (ITA) - ageing up
⦁ Laura Finelli / Matteo Stefano Pedesini (ITA) - 2 more seasons
⦁Lila-Maya Seclet-Monchot / Martin Chardain (FRA) - ageing up
⦁ Alexia Kruk / Jan Eisenhaber (DEU) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Mia Lee Mayer / Tobia Huber (DEU) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Alice Pizzorni / Massimiliano Bucciarelli (ITA) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Jillian Prever / Agahan Dortkol (TUR) - 1 more season
⦁ Ambre Perrier Gianesini / Samuel Blanc Klaperman (FRA) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Xinyi Yu / Tianyi Liu (CHN) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Yufei Lin / Zijian Gao (CHN) - 1 more season
⦁ Catharina Guedes Tibau / Cayden Dawson (BRA) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Andrea Psurna / Jachym Novak (CZE) - 4 more seasons
⦁Daniela Ivanitskiy / David Goldshteyn (FIN) - split (she's ageing up and looking for a new partner)
⦁Eloanne Ogor / Raul Bermejo (ESP) - split (he's ageing up and looking for a new partner)
⦁Sophia Bushell / Alex Lapsky (GBR) - split (both looking for new partners)
⦁ Hilda Taylor / Urho Reina (FIN) - 2 more seasons
⦁Isabella Sukhovskaya / Trevor Sebastian Malkasaari (EST) - split (she's looking for a new partner)
⦁ Laura Hegarty / Kevin Hegarty (IRE) - 1 more season
⦁ Chi Linh Nguyen / Minh Quang Nguyen (VIE) - 3 more seasons
Junior Worlds:
⦁ Katerina Mrazkova / Daniel Mrazek (CZE) - 1 more season (junior eligible through JWC 2024) but likely moving up
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⦁ Leah Neset / Artem Markelov (USA) - 2 more seasons (junior eligible through JWC 2025)
⦁ Celina Fradji / Jean-Hans Fourneaux (FRA) - 2 more seasons
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⦁ Jenna Hauer / Benjamin Starr (USA) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Helena Carhart / Volodymyr Horovyi (USA) - 1 more season
⦁ Angelina Kudryavtseva / Ilia Karankevich (CYP) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Elizabeth Tkachenko / Alexei Kiliakov (ISR) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Mariia Pinchuk / Mykyta Pogorielov (UKR) - 1 more season - but have already done a split season so may move up full time
⦁ Louise Bordet / Thomas Gipoulou (FRA) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Hailey Yu / Brendan Giang (CAN) - 2 more seasons
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⦁ Nao Kida / Masaya Morita (JPN) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Noemi Tali / Stefano Frasca (ITA) - 1 more season
⦁ Ashlie Slatter / Atl Ongay-Perez (GBR) - 5 more seasons (junior eligible through JWC 2028)
⦁ Grace Vainik / Yehor Barshak (GEO) - 1 more season
⦁ Milla O'Brien / Laurin Wiederkehr (SUI) - 3 more seasons (junior eligible through JWC 2026)
⦁ Xuantong Li / Xinkang Wang (CHN) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Sofiia Dovhal / Wiktor Kulesza (POL) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Anita Straub / Andreas Straub (AUT) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Jinny Kim / Namu Lee (KOR) - 4 more seasons (junior eligible through JWC 2027)
⦁ Athena Roberts / Eric Alis (ESP) - 1 more season
⦁ Irmak Yucel / Nikita Ivanov (TUR) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Maya Benkiewicz / Mark Shapiro (HUN) - 1 more season (if they stay together they'll have to sit out international competition in 2024-25)
⦁ Sofiia Beznosikova / Max Leleu (BEL) - 5 more seasons
⦁ Harlow Stanley / Nikita Sosnenko (MEX) - 2 more seasons
And others who were on the JGP this season:
⦁ Darya Grimm / Michail Savitskiy (DEU) - 2 more seasons
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⦁ Jordyn Lewis / Noah McMillan (CAN) - 1 more season
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⦁ Iryna Pidgaina / Artem Koval (UKR) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Elliana Peal / Ethan Peal (USA) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Chaima Ben Khelifa / Everest Zhu (CAN) - 1 more season
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⦁ Kristina Bland / Matthew Sperry (USA) - 1 more season
⦁ Dana Sabatini-Speciale / Nicholas Buelow (CAN) - 2 more seaons
⦁ Natalie Blaasova / Filip Blaas (CZE) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Layla Veillon / Alexander Brandys (CAN) - 2 more seasons
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⦁ Laura Finelli / Matteo Stefano Pedesini (ITA) - 2 more seasons
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⦁ Alexia Kruk / Jan Eisenhaber (DEU) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Mia Lee Mayer / Tobia Huber (DEU) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Alice Pizzorni / Massimiliano Bucciarelli (ITA) - 2 more seasons
⦁ Jillian Prever / Agahan Dortkol (TUR) - 1 more season
⦁ Ambre Perrier Gianesini / Samuel Blanc Klaperman (FRA) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Xinyi Yu / Tianyi Liu (CHN) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Yufei Lin / Zijian Gao (CHN) - 1 more season
⦁ Catharina Guedes Tibau / Cayden Dawson (BRA) - 3 more seasons
⦁ Andrea Psurna / Jachym Novak (CZE) - 4 more seasons
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⦁ Hilda Taylor / Urho Reina (FIN) - 2 more seasons
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⦁ Laura Hegarty / Kevin Hegarty (IRE) - 1 more season
⦁ Chi Linh Nguyen / Minh Quang Nguyen (VIE) - 3 more seasons
Did tey change age out requirements for girls? I thought it was 18 years old
Nevermind it is 19. Elizabeth Tkachenko / Alexei Kiliakov has one season. She is 19 before July 1, 2024
Probably. Ilin & Cain are very competitive in the RD as they often have among the highest pattern levels. Once they are age eligible, they may score higher domestically overall. However, they are young and have nerves and have the same challenge as any small team in that it's hard to look powerful on the ice next to all the taller older skaters. Next season will be a good learning experience.
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Wait till Ilin/Cain are competing against the Baby Brits. We're all gonna die of cute. 
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@Belsornia (thanks a lot for compiling your list!
) is correct - Tkachenko/Kiliakov have 2 more years of ISU Junior age eligibility (she is 17 now/for 2023-24 and 18 in 2024-25): http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00108071.htmI’m looking forward to seeing Ilin/Cain and Julia Epps/Blake Gilman debut on the JGP (hopefully there will be enough spots for both!).
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Judy = Blumberg.
IDC’s recap:
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why would Judy Blumberg on panel be a bad thing? I am not in the know
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Judy is a Shin Amano of ice dance. She is a stickler.
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To get a sense of Judy Blumberg's attitude towards ice dance watch these two videos back-to-back:
You can see that she really pays attention to the holistic content and what the skaters are doing with the blades, so as a tech panelist, she'll be a huge stickler for technique, edges, cleanliness, and overall execution.
She could have been overruled on this panel, but the more reviews that are requested, the more likely it is that mistakes will be caught. She's quite picky on the pattern. She called the 2020 European Championships. At that event, the panel called 7 Basics, 6 Level 1s, 9 Level 2s, 1 Level 3 (S&B), and 2 Level 4s (P&C and G&F). Grinkova was on that panel as well.
That B/K choreography was atrocious. Who was their choreographer and coach at the time?
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I think that was when they were using Dubova only. I’ve always wondered why they didn’t work with Giuseppe Arena (sp?) again. He choreographed their FD from the previous year. I seem to recall that they had started out with a better OD but dumped it for this yucky one. Oh, and A & P should have won 1998 Worlds.
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And 1999 too!
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And probably 2001 too.And 1999 too!
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This brings me to the question: how come A&P only have 1 World Championship title?And probably 2001 too.
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It's definitely a travesty A&P only have one world title. I get Beethoven's Last Night was a real misfire of a FD, but I still don't think it was so bad that it Italians passed it with Romeo + Juliet. When they didn't fall, that is.
I've often felt if A&P had won 1999 worlds, they wouldn't have been so vulnerable the rest of the quad. I certainly preferred A&P's programs that year, but I'm definitely not skilled enough to definitively say they deserved the win. (Also I loved K&O until that year...)
B&K in 1998 looked like a shadow of themselves from 1997. How they managed to have the worst OD despite some lame and tacky programs in general is ridiculous.
I've often felt if A&P had won 1999 worlds, they wouldn't have been so vulnerable the rest of the quad. I certainly preferred A&P's programs that year, but I'm definitely not skilled enough to definitively say they deserved the win. (Also I loved K&O until that year...)
B&K in 1998 looked like a shadow of themselves from 1997. How they managed to have the worst OD despite some lame and tacky programs in general is ridiculous.
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I remember wishing Beethoven's Last Night was just Beethoven. I actually enjoyed FP/M's RJ FD but A&P were still way better even with a meh FD. As for B&K in 1998, I always thought having no competition in Canada and having no high-level training mates to push them was detrimental to their development. But what do I know?
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Agreed on both points. I was thrilled more skaters were using the (imo, awesome) R+J soundtrack, and FP&M sure sold the crap out of that program. But they still weren't A&P.I remember wishing Beethoven's Last Night was just Beethoven. I actually enjoyed FP/M's RJ FD but A&P were still way better even with a meh FD. As for B&K in 1998, I always thought having no competition in Canada and having no high-level training mates to push them was detrimental to their development. But what do I know?
Re: B&K, I'm surprised Dubova had kept things moving in the right direction until the Olympic year, where they effectively crashed and burned. 1999 was a bit of a "dead cat bounce" before they took on even worse programs & attitudes in the 1999-2000 season. It's just too bad their options were limited to Tarasova when they finally left, though I always felt their quickstep/foxtrot OD was cleverly taking them back to the last time B&K were really improving in 1997.
I need to go back and read when they stopped working with K&P. It's wishful/wistful thinking on my part, I'm sure, to think working with them longer would have been more fruitful.
I've been putting up a ton of historical videos lately, and Judy Blumberg herself explains here how the ordinal change in summer 1998 to one-by-one actually was the reason Anissina/Peizerat lost the gold at Euros. Had the old system been in place, they would've won there. Of course OBO was instituted to try to get rid of bloc judging messing with results.
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Also here, Povilas Vanagas (who was center of another dance 5-4 controversy a few years later), says everyone-- except the judges-- knew A/P should've won in 1999.
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1999 European Championships (ESPN) - Free Dance - One-By-One Ordinal Discussion
Starting with the 1998/1999 season, in an effort to combat bloc judging, the ISU switched their method of tabulating ordinal judging. Had the old system been...
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Also here, Povilas Vanagas (who was center of another dance 5-4 controversy a few years later), says everyone-- except the judges-- knew A/P should've won in 1999.
1999 Trophée Lalique - Free Dance - Intro
Brief clips of performances from the original dance, a mention of the status of Krylova & Ovsiannikov, and small sound bites from some of the teams. Povilas ...
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The 1999 full FD Euro results at Worlds:
The order of the judges was
The order of the judges was
| Judge No.1 | Mrs. Elizabeth CLARK | CAN |
| Judge No.2 | Mr. Walter ZUCCARO | ITA |
| Judge No.3 | Mr. Yury BALKOV | UKR |
| Judge No.4 | Ms. Mary PARRY | GBR |
| Judge No.5 | Mrs. Alla SHEKHOVTSEVA | RUS |
| Judge No.6 | Mr. Ulf DENZER | GER |
| Judge No.7 | Mrs. Evgenia KARNOLSKA | BUL |
| Judge No.8 | Mr. Hongguo REN | CHN |
| Judge No.9 | Ms. Margaret FAULKNER | USA |
| Substitute Judge | Mrs. Heide MARITCZAK | AUT |
@Andrea82 - the Europeans results in question are here:
Lobacheva/Averbukh managed a first (from LTU) and two 2nds, which caused the 4-4 first-place ordinal split. This was the first season that three non-Euro judges had to be on the panel, and two of those three (CAN & JPN) gave K/O the first place vote. USA put them 3rd.
Lobacheva/Averbukh managed a first (from LTU) and two 2nds, which caused the 4-4 first-place ordinal split. This was the first season that three non-Euro judges had to be on the panel, and two of those three (CAN & JPN) gave K/O the first place vote. USA put them 3rd.
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Wow, I can just imagine the conspiracy theories one could come up with by comparing the 1999 Euros & Worlds FD results
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Emma Goodstadt, 18 this past December (split from Michael Barsoum last year - sometime after the Quebec Summer comp. in August 2022, I believe), and Christian Bennett (previously partnered with Madeline Freeman in U.S.: https://www.ice-dance.com/site/profile-madeline-freeman-christian-bennett/), who turns 20 at the end of this month, announced their new ice dance partnership for Canada (based in Scarborough, ON) today on their respective Instagram accounts: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cp0QBdGLWHb/
Ethan Alday, 22, is listed on IPS - he debuted in senior this season with New Zealand's Isabelle Guise, 20: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00112928.htm
ETA: I've posted the link to a Carreira/Ponomarenko podcast interview in both their fan & U.S. Ice Dance threads today.
Ethan Alday, 22, is listed on IPS - he debuted in senior this season with New Zealand's Isabelle Guise, 20: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00112928.htm
ETA: I've posted the link to a Carreira/Ponomarenko podcast interview in both their fan & U.S. Ice Dance threads today.
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In the podcast they speak about how Anthony's parents also skated to Summertime - here is a video (which he didn't see until after their GPs this year)
This exquisite couple is able to express the languid feel of the music, which is usually missing from routines done to Summertime.
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Now that is dancing. Gorgeous. Thank you for posting @litenkyckling
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