Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir, #46 : Until the End of Time

[pat c]

When I heard that Dean was the choreographer for P/C, I was expecting that, tbh, and was quite disappointed that it didn't happen. But we haven't seen everyone yet, so there's still hope...

Dean is a wonderful choreo for himself, imho. T&D's rhumba still stands as one of my fav od's. But correct me, I certainly can't remember everything he's choreographed, and he has done good work, but not work where I went holy smokes that's the best thing I've ever seen - for someone else. Am I missing something?

I am sure there is some team that we haven't seen yet, that has the sd we think we should be seeing. Or at least I hope so.

 

[sap5]

Yes. I'm sorry by the way, I thought this was the Dance Hall thread - I wouldn't have come to post in the V/M thread if I'd realised. The thought applies to all the couples. In my admitedly completely unknowledgeable mind, I associate latin with far more poetry than what we're seeing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgU3tXJGf-8

Part of the issue is the SD requirements. It's hard to do what you've posted when you've got so many changes to fit in per the rules.

 

[pani]

Well, unfortunately I did not add to the view count very much. I have watched their SD around ten or more times by now, but my old computer and my supposedly fast internet (at least partially because of the computer) are so slow that I have to first download videos to be able to watch them in HD quality or even in 480.

O, I mean TS and there team did a great job

 

[marbri]

Dean is a wonderful choreo for himself, imho. T&D's rhumba still stands as one of my fav od's. But correct me, I certainly can't remember everything he's choreographed, and he has done good work, but not work where I went holy smokes that's the best thing I've ever seen - for someone else. Am I missing something?

I am sure there is some team that we haven't seen yet, that has the sd we think we should be seeing. Or at least I hope so.

I thought his work for himself and Jayne was great but the only thing he has ever choreographed that I thought was great on first sight was that Eleanor Rigby FD he did for Crone and Poirier but even that lost its charm by the end of the season. I think he is highly overrated as a choreographer for others.

 

[marbri]

Part of the issue is the SD requirements. It's hard to do what you've posted when you've got so many changes to fit in per the rules.

Agree. People need to adjust their expectations to what is possible within a figure skating competition where judges are looking at flow, speed, ice coverage etc.... you can't show those things and keep 100% true to what you see on the floor. That is why I think V/M are brilliant and really show their talent in that they do a fantastic job of showing any given dance style within the rules of competition and it be obvious what they are dancing to.

 

[kittysk8ts]

People need to adjust their expectations to what is possible within a figure skating competition where judges are looking at flow, speed, ice coverage etc.... you can't show those things and keep 100% true to what you see on the floor.

Yes. Also, it is figure skating first and then ice dance. The focus should always be on the skating first. IMHO of course.

 

[taylor1973]

Dean is a wonderful choreo for himself, imho. T&D's rhumba still stands as one of my fav od's. But correct me, I certainly can't remember everything he's choreographed, and he has done good work, but not work where I went holy smokes that's the best thing I've ever seen - for someone else. Am I missing something?

I am sure there is some team that we haven't seen yet, that has the sd we think we should be seeing. Or at least I hope so.

Drobiazko & Vanagas 1997 Worlds Original Dance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yej2VZWluVo

 

[Rossig]

But correct me, I certainly can't remember everything he's choreographed, and he has done good work, but not work where I went holy smokes that's the best thing I've ever seen - for someone else. Am I missing something?

Didn't you go holy smokes with Anissina and Peizerat's "Carmina Burana" FD which was choreographed by T&D and which won them gold medal at 2000 World Championship?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsvq-N7xAtc

 

[marbri]

I think a difference should be made between choreography he made prior to IJS and post IJS.

 

[sap5]

In my admitedly completely unknowledgeable mind, I associate latin with far more poetry than what we're seeing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgU3tXJGf-8

What are people's thoughts on W/P's SD? I haven't seen much discussion about it beyond costumes. And we can continue this in the dance hall thread if people are interested....

 

[pat c]

Drobiazko & Vanagas 1997 Worlds Original Dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yej2VZWluVo

Thanks. I knew D&V had used Dean's work, but I'd forgot about the tango.

Didn't you go holy smokes with Anissina and Peizerat's "Carmina Burana" FD which was choreographed by T&D and which won them gold medal at 2000 World Championship?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsvq-N7xAtc

You know, I don't think I ever knew he choreo'd this. I must have assumed Zazoui did most of their choreo.

 

[Goody2shoes]

What are people's thoughts on W/P's SD? I haven't seen much discussion about it beyond costumes. And we can continue this in the dance hall thread if people are interested....

I'd love to give this a try ... Off to Dance Hall I go ...

 

[pani]

Sorry guys, but just want to say I love Tessa and Scott since 2005 and wish them good luck this season!

 

[Emdee]

Sorry guys, but just want to say I love Tessa and Scott since 2005 and wish them good luck this season!

I think I learned to love them when they were junior world champions in 2006.

Also wish them the best and happy we got to see them for two extra years.

 

[lauravvv]

O, I mean TS and there team did a great job

Oh, I finally got it (how silly of me not to get it right away) .

 

[puglover]

I had an unbelievably horrible time with Ticketmaster but I believe I now have 2 tickets to Canadian Nationals. I finally had to speak with an agent at ticketmaster who couldn't tell me if I bought for one event or an all events pass. Anyway, I will hopefully be there to cheer on Tessa and Scott

 

[chantilly]

I'm starting to get worried about my tickets for Nationals.
It says I have them, but I can't access the tickets until next month.

 

[a12553]

And good luck to everyone who will go to watch at tribunes

 

[seabm7]

Hello. There is a rumor that the music "Sorry" is a cover by William Singe. Do you happen to know an official confirmation?

 

[MarieM]

I think a difference should be made between choreography he made prior to IJS and post IJS.

I think so far, he hasn't adapted well to IJS. And he was getting a bit boring before IMO of course.
With him, it's either a hit or a snore.
With A&P for example, it never worked. What worked in the end was when Jayne stepped in with Zazoui and reworked things a lot.
It did work a bit with Poirier and both partners to some extent, and never did with C&B.
Yet this season, it's a hit with the brits SD and a nod to the french one.

I think he works best with teams that have excellent technique or share HIS vision of ice dance and that could be trickery.

I wish Tessa&Scott had worked with him, because I think it would have been a very good fit.

 

[marbri]

I don't think he works well with teams that have a strong identity and their own way of skating. You say it didn't work for A&P, that Jayne and Zazoui stepped in. Clearly Marie France had some input in P/C SD because it isn't 100% Dean imo. Gabby and Guillaume move a certain way and aren't really successful outside of that and if Dean had total control I think it would fight against their natural movement. I also find the British SD so overrated by some that I can't help but wonder if some of the praise was subconscious wishful thinking to get excited about P/C's SD.

Don't get me wrong. I love his work with Jayne both amateur and professional and he can be very creative but I don't think he translates that well into other teams and especially within the confines of IJS. I also recall an interview once where he prefers to work more with local skaters so he can really know them and work continuously with them which could explain what I don't think much of his work when he is called in for a few days to whip up a program for someone.

It could be interesting to maybe see if V/M would ever work with him in a professional setting but I have never wished them to work with him on competitive programs. I don't think the process would be satisfying for either of them.

 

[Maddie Sparks]

Can't believe their Latin Rock SD from ACI is nearly at 100k views already! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCVxakYhD-Q&t

I grow more of an appreciation for it every time I watch. Their ice coverage is incredible and they capture the latin feel so well. (also, that rhumba pattern is to dieeeee for). I can't wait to see this at SCI in HD with more than one camera angle. It's going to be glorious.

 

[MarieM]

I don't think he works well with teams that have a strong identity and their own way of skating. You say it didn't work for A&P, that Jayne and Zazoui stepped in. Clearly Marie France had some input in P/C SD because it isn't 100% Dean imo. Gabby and Guillaume move a certain way and aren't really successful outside of that and if Dean had total control I think it would fight against their natural movement. I also find the British SD so overrated by some that I can't help but wonder if some of the praise was subconscious wishful thinking to get excited about P/C's SD.

A&P isn't a really good example. I think everyone was having a very hard time working with Marina at that point

It isn't Dean at all, it's P&C's way of moving. IMO it has more Romain in it than MF.
Dean probably just pushed them.
Dean usually just "pastes" his moves on another team. I kind of agree with you yet I think the work he did with Penny & Nic isn't totally "paste" only.

Don't get me wrong. I love his work with Jayne both amateur and professional and he can be very creative but I don't think he translates that well into other teams and especially within the confines of IJS. I also recall an interview once where he prefers to work more with local skaters so he can really know them and work continuously with them which could explain what I don't think much of his work when he is called in for a few days to whip up a program for someone.

Problem is that when a team doesn't know what they want, it will never work, whoever is the choreographer. Sometimes said choreographer might strike a chord that rings true, but if the skaters have no self identity? It can't work.
And Dean has tried to work with all kind of teams. IMO what he did with Crone&Poirier was going somewhere and pushed them.

It could be interesting to maybe see if V/M would ever work with him in a professional setting but I have never wished them to work with him on competitive programs. I don't think the process would be satisfying for either of them.

I think it would work. Because they kind of "understand" his ice dance more than a lot of the newcomers, IMO of course, but I do get your point.

 

[Rossig]

With A&P for example, it never worked. What worked in the end was when Jayne stepped in with Zazoui and reworked things a lot.

I think everyone was having a very hard time working with Marina at that point

This is something I have never heard of. Is there a chance you could share with some more details? I must admit you made me curious .

 

[VGThuy]

This is something I have never heard of. Is there a chance you could share with some more details? I must admit you made me curious .

I'd be interested in hearing about this as well. Is there an early version of Carmina Burana that is vastly different from what we got in the GP, Euros, and Worlds?

 

[marbri]

Might be an interesting side topic in the Dance Hall thread

 

[Alilou]

New article by Beverley Smith
https://bevsmithwrites.wordpress.com/2017/10/18/virtue-and-moir-kissing-the-ice-still/

 

[The Accordion]

New article by Beverley Smith
https://bevsmithwrites.wordpress.com/2017/10/18/virtue-and-moir-kissing-the-ice-still/

Just realized I saw them at their first Skate Canada and will now see them at is what likely their last!

 

[sap5]

New article by Beverley Smith
https://bevsmithwrites.wordpress.com/2017/10/18/virtue-and-moir-kissing-the-ice-still/

That being said, Virtue and Moir have a special place in their hearts for last year’s short dance to Prince. “Prince is very close to our hearts,” Moir said. “We love to skate to it. It was a special program. I don’t think we’ve said by to that Prince program for sure. It will poke its head up once in a while.”

Oh no. Does this mean their EX this year might be Prince?

 

[chapis]

Oh no. Does this mean their EX this year might be Prince?

what's wrong about it? are great news.